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Title: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 10:21:44 AM
2 just shy of 8lb., 2 just over 8lbs.  Simple rub, season salt, garlic powder, paprika, & brown sugar.  10am on the Memphis Pro at 300°, Smoke Ring pellets, no idea what woods...I think Cherry, Maple & Hickory.

I did not want it this way, but I can tell they are still primarily frozen, will see how long it takes, I am hoping under 7 hours to a good pull consistency.

(https://i.imgur.com/EId0iZGh.jpg)
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: hughver on February 14, 2018, 11:20:10 AM
Two thoughts, the outer layer may burn(over cook) before IT reaches the desired temperature and you will probably lost a lot of the juices unless you pan/cover.   :2cents:
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: yorkdude on February 14, 2018, 11:29:55 AM
Are you cooking these for a Fire Dept. Auxiliary event, just being a tad curious.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on February 14, 2018, 11:57:13 AM
Two thoughts, the outer layer may burn(over cook) before IT reaches the desired temperature and you will probably lost a lot of the juices unless you pan/cover.   :2cents:

Nope...I did them at 350 frozen within the last year and didn't see the issues you are describing.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: ZCZ on February 14, 2018, 12:15:55 PM
They sure look pretty.  Anxious to hear how they all come out (with pix).
Z
Title: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: rwalters on February 14, 2018, 12:27:08 PM
Off to a good start! Tuned in for this cook
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: MadFoodScientist on February 14, 2018, 12:31:45 PM
I look forward to seeing how your cook comes out!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 01:29:34 PM
I am not completely sure what you are saying to me?  As you can see, the very outer portions are exposed to the "gap" and they will most certainly char.  But that will be mitigated as I go check them...I will not be lazy since I have had my coffee now and will put 2nd rack in and move 2 up there. 

I guess it was 6 butts I did once on the Memphis.

At 2 hours the IT was in the 50's.  I do not believe they will cook differently since they were frozen, cuz I have cooked several fully frozen butts and never had issues.  As far as drippings, yes, I will be panning and foiling with my Maverick in it for the last few hours, just want to get the bark right 1st!

Two thoughts, the outer layer may burn(over cook) before IT reaches the desired temperature and you will probably lost a lot of the juices unless you pan/cover.   :2cents:
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 01:32:07 PM
Yes.  45 is the guarantee, there was 40oz of fat trim (try and charge me again $3/lb for fatback!), so that puts us at 29 lbs, and I am hoping for a 55% yield with the higher heat cook.  That put us at 10+oz per person, and no one will eat that much on a sandwich!

Are you cooking these for a Fire Dept. Auxiliary event, just being a tad curious.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 01:34:01 PM
It is a bark issue for me and not a temp issue.  Pan, and foil to finish, with a touch of Gatorade added!

That was going to be my next question...re panning?  You planning on panning and foiling after 165-170, or just panning?  I would imagine those things will be flowing a good amount of fat and collagen here in a bit!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
I figure 60-90 minutes the bark will be where I want it and into the pans we go!  4 hours in and 130° IT. Forgot to add the Gatorade to the rub...lack of prep is a killer for results every time!

(https://i.imgur.com/jp49PYDh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PnkjCL1h.jpg)

Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: rwalters on February 14, 2018, 02:05:56 PM
Nice lookin’ butts!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 03:35:49 PM
Forgot to coat with molasses and the Gatorade in the rub and forgot to brine the last 2 days!  Bad day!  The bark is never gonna get the way I want now, so will pan up at 4, that will be 6 hours in the smoke and they should be around 160° IT and we will see how long pan & foiled it takes to get them to bone out stage!

(https://i.imgur.com/SywqJzCh.jpg)
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: rwalters on February 14, 2018, 04:39:26 PM
Forgot to coat with molasses and the Gatorade in the rub and forgot to brine the last 2 days!  Bad day!  The bark is never gonna get the way I want now, so will pan up at 4, that will be 6 hours in the smoke and they should be around 160° IT and we will see how long pan & foiled it takes to get them to bone out stage!

(https://i.imgur.com/SywqJzCh.jpg)
Those look great for screwups...lol.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: triplebq on February 14, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
Good looking Butts  :P
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 08:18:42 PM
Into the pan at 6 hour mark.


(https://i.imgur.com/rchtpzch.jpg)
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 08:22:31 PM
Ended up being a 9 1/3 hour cook at 300° the entire time.  The drippings are in the freezer right now, I am gonna pull in about an hour and will try and show some final pics when that is finished.  As most of you know, I am pretty full of myself, but I think this will be some of the best pulled pork these folks have ever had...If I can keep them from smothering it in sauce and putting that silly cole slaw all over it!

(https://i.imgur.com/wH6nknOh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GELXR9sh.jpg)
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on February 14, 2018, 08:46:00 PM
Great job!  I know I would dive right into that without sauce and slaw.
Title: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: rwalters on February 14, 2018, 09:39:42 PM
Mighty fine job!! But, no slaw?!?! What’s wrong with slaw?!?! The “crunch” is a must!!!!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: ZCZ on February 14, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
Might fine job!! But, no slaw?!?! What’s wrong with slaw?!?! The “crunch” is a must!!!! :)

AMEN To that!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: cookingjnj on February 14, 2018, 10:00:26 PM
Slaw or no slaw, that pork is going to be the star of the show.  Great cook Bent.  Looks way too yummy.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 10:45:46 PM
31.67 and end up with 14lbs of clean, A-1, no fat or grisle pork.  My ciphering says that is a loss of 55%, most I have ever seen...Need a Bufflalo chopper!  Kristin is not comfortable with fifty, 4.46oz servings, so she will be cooking 1 additional butt tomorrow.

(https://i.imgur.com/9smSb9dh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xswMnnWh.jpg)
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on February 14, 2018, 10:53:07 PM
and who said you cant get smoke on a pellet grill when cooking at 300 degrees :clap:
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 11:07:15 PM
I have tried to get that across over the years, but it seems if folks cant see it, it is not there...
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 14, 2018, 11:08:32 PM
About 3 cups of butt Jell-o and 1 cup of orange fat.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Michael_NW on February 15, 2018, 01:15:59 AM
I have tried to get that across over the years, but it seems if folks cant see it, it is not there...

All you have to do is throw a pan of mac n cheese on the smoker at 350 for an hour . . . that should convince anyone that smoke doesn't just live at 170 degrees. My goodness, you're burning wood, of course there will be smoke!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: yorkdude on February 15, 2018, 05:23:17 AM
That really does look amazing and the photos are superb as well, I can almost smell the richness of the meat. With thousands of pounds behind you, what pushed them to the top of the list? Semi-frozen?
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: BigDave83 on February 15, 2018, 08:07:06 AM
I little salt and pepper, pickle and a touch of yellow mustard and I am all over it.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: ZCZ on February 15, 2018, 12:04:11 PM
Thanks for posting this cook Bentley!  I enjoyed following it.
Z
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 15, 2018, 02:10:15 PM
Nothing special, just a super inflated ego that says mine is the best...I am beginning to believe the folks that say if you want more and longer smoke penetration start with a super cold piece of meat!

That really does look amazing and the photos are superb as well, I can almost smell the richness of the meat. With thousands of pounds behind you, what pushed them to the top of the list? Semi-frozen?
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: lamrith on February 15, 2018, 03:01:05 PM
Looks good Bentley!!   :clap:
What did you end up with for your finished IT?

300 is my magic cooking temp for BB ribs these days, it is a good balance of higher temp and still some aroma...
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 15, 2018, 04:44:17 PM
Dead center on a couple were about 198°, the rest, I did not even really pay attention to the number, cuz you could just tell by the probe they needed no more time...
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: mo-kid on February 15, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
fantastic job Bent! I did a few last week and everyone raved....oh well, isn't that what we really want in a group meal and the time spent with good friends. Again, great job!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: pmillen on February 15, 2018, 09:22:02 PM
Those pans of pulled pork look fantastic.  I think I would like this method.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: wuudogg on February 16, 2018, 11:49:40 AM
New to the site but not to BBQ. Made many pork butts in my day.  Can I ask for a little more info on the Gatorade ?  Never heard of it being used. Powdered or liquid ?  What flavor ?  Why ? thx
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 16, 2018, 02:40:45 PM
I like the Citric Acid component in pork.  When I don't have to get up early to start cook and am clear headed, I usually will follow a routine.  It will include rubbing molasses on the butts...and adding the original Gatorade in my rub, for that citric acid component and also for the sugar to enhance that bark, as I know it is going to soften greatly when I pan and foil it.

I also like to add about a cup of liquid when I pan and foil to keep the butts from sticking to have some sauce when finished!

New to the site but not to BBQ. Made many pork butts in my day.  Can I ask for a little more info on the Gatorade ?  Never heard of it being used. Powdered or liquid ?  What flavor ?  Why ? thx
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 16, 2018, 02:46:27 PM
Hard to tell which one was cooked with hardwood and which one in the oven...

(https://i.imgur.com/lAymjhyh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xswMnnWh.jpg)
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: yorkdude on February 16, 2018, 03:38:02 PM
Hard to tell which one was cooked with hardwood and which one in the oven...

(https://i.imgur.com/lAymjhyh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xswMnnWh.jpg)
Now that you mentioned it, it does appear to not be much different. Who’d have thunk.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: TLK on February 16, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
The higher temp of 300 kind of surprised me but the pictures look good.  I am curious if the higher temp/shorter time uses more or less pellets than when cooking to same IT as lower temp/longer time.  Is there any benefit to it other than time saving?
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 16, 2018, 05:04:25 PM
The Memphis Pro is pretty efficient, but at 300° mine burns about .90/lb. an hour., double what it would be at 200°, but still only about $2.70 for the 9 hour cook with what I got these pellets for.  As far as other benefits, I am just liking the results better at the 300° then the longer 240° cooks.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: yorkdude on February 16, 2018, 05:22:20 PM
How big of a role do you think the “slightly frozen” butts play in the end results.
The higher temp was due to that correct?
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 16, 2018, 05:24:55 PM
No, I was going to cook this at 300° no matter what...as far as what effect the frozen centers would have...I just have not cooked enough of them to give you a valid answer.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: okie smokie on February 17, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
Hard to tell which one was cooked with hardwood and which one in the oven...

(https://i.imgur.com/lAymjhyh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xswMnnWh.jpg)
Not!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 17, 2018, 12:35:07 PM
Yeah, my humor is not always done correctly...and then I wonder why folks don't get it!  If you look at the plastic bowel, and then the tray right next to it, there is some of the oven pork from the bowl in the steam tray, and as I look at it they do look the same. 

The big difference is the right out of the pit pulled stuff and the brown, nasty oven looking stuff.  Although, I am amazed at how much of the "smoke ring" was gone from Weds cook, to Fridays serving.  That was disappointing and I have no explanation for it.  It happens if I vac seal and boil reheat, if I pan with apple juice cover and reheat in oven (like Friday), and even if I apple juice and microwave and reheat.  Though it might be a matter of time and exposure to air, but that is not possible when vac sealed...I just don't get it!  Cuz it sure did not look as appealing on Friday as it did Weds night!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on February 17, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
But what did the people eating it think as that is all that really matters?  Did you enough to serve everyone?  Was your turn out what you had expected?
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Kristin Meredith on February 17, 2018, 01:12:58 PM
Guarantee was 45 and 39 turned up.  Several compliments so I think they liked it. Virtually no sauce and people were allowed to sauce as they pleased and I know folks liked that, especially given how the Aux has usually presented pulled pork.  It was about 17 lbs cooked and we figured about 13 lbs eaten.  If we had had 6 more, probably would have been closer to 15 lbs eaten when a couple of folks helping in the kitchen also got feed.  It was a good day.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: yorkdude on February 17, 2018, 01:38:21 PM
Very nice. I am sure that everyone was pleased.
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: Bentley on February 17, 2018, 01:55:57 PM
A few unsolicited comments that it was good, so that is always nice to hear.  I believe the guarantee was 45, but we had 39. 17lbs, and I am going to say 4lbs. left (almost a full restaurant steam tray).  So I guess about 5.3oz per person on average...It appeared to me virtually everyone had gone through the line once, right before that, I had put the 2nd try in.  A slight break, then I guess the real eaters figured it was time to get after it.  The guys who had seconds, I am gonna say it was maybe a 1/3, it seems when they cam back trough the 2nd time, they ate an entire pan, about what the 1st 30 did!
Title: Re: 31.67lbs. of Pork Butt Cooked at 300°.
Post by: okie smokie on February 17, 2018, 06:01:31 PM
Yeah, my humor is not always done correctly...and then I wonder why folks don't get it!  If you look at the plastic bowel, and then the tray right next to it, there is some of the oven pork from the bowl in the steam tray, and as I look at it they do look the same. 

The big difference is the right out of the pit pulled stuff and the brown, nasty oven looking stuff.  Although, I am amazed at how much of the "smoke ring" was gone from Weds cook, to Fridays serving.  That was disappointing and I have no explanation for it.  It happens if I vac seal and boil reheat, if I pan with apple juice cover and reheat in oven (like Friday), and even if I apple juice and microwave and reheat.  Though it might be a matter of time and exposure to air, but that is not possible when vac sealed...I just don't get it!  Cuz it sure did not look as appealing on Friday as it did Weds night!
I've noted the loss of the smoke ring and redness also on reheated BBQ.  Comes in handy when I eat out and order supposedly same day BBQ. I will usually ask the waiter to bring the fresh stuff but no guarantees on that. Several of the good public pits around here only do so much a day and when it is gone, it is gone. Like chalkboard restaurants, they scratch it off the menu when it is gone. Since I have been doing my own that is less of an event.