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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Non food Related => Topic started by: rwalters on March 05, 2018, 05:33:43 PM
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There was a thread here about a month ago re: your question. Yes, it was back online, but appears there has been almost no activity. Was that still the case as of today. Very strange, eh?
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I don't think you are missing anything there.
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Burk posted on 02/12 that the site would be under re-construction and it would take a while. Then on the 20th, a new admin posted it would be just a couple of days.
I've been checking in on and off as well but I logged out and don't remember my password. The 'reset password' function does not werk.
I've enlisted the help from a couple of posters here to pass on my concerns. They have tried to no avail.
At this time, I don't see how they're going to get any traction with the way things are being handled/addressed. I've also seen some there engage in some pretty unethical stunts. The biggest transgression being the altering of members PM's. Seriously, how low can you get? That's bottom of the barrel slimy.
For me, they pretty much wrote themselves off, all things considered. I'm quite content being here.
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Wow...altering PMs'? I didn't even think that was possible. That is crazy if that happened.
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Anything is possible. The member wasn't even aware until I pointed it out to him. It's still burned in my brain.
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I'm there too. There are usually one or two new posts a day, sometimes more. Wasn't aware of the PM issue, but certainly, there have been a number of topics which have been highly moderated.
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Wow...altering PMs'? I didn't even think that was possible. That is crazy if that happened.
Writing as someone who hosts forums.
Everything in a forum will be held in a database. Even if the forum software itself gives you no access to other people's PMs (I know of none that actually does), it is fairly trivial to access them directly via the database. Changing or deleting data is equally easy.
However, it seems strange that someone would have the level of knowledge to do this, and yet be unable to fix a broken forum, taking it offline for several months.
I hasten to add that although doing all of of this is easy for anyone with a technical bent, I would never dream of doing it on any of my forums. If you don't have trust, you have nothing.
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Larry would be just sick to hear stuff like this, he was so proud of that site and thought it would be a legacy. I guess to me that site is now truly a thing of the past and I choose to remember it as it was in better times.
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I remember another forum where the Moderators could read anyone's PM's and there was a big brouhaha about it! They tried to imply that "everysite has the capability to do it and don't believe them if they say they don't" and that if you come on that site, you should expect things like that, there is no expectation of privacy...funny how that is possibly now happening on Pelletheads.
Always trust your gut!
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There were many many years of content on PH that I thought was lost but it appears it's all still there. Posts and pictures going back to 2007. Without Larry it doesn't have the same feel but glad I can still access all the content if needed.
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There were many many years of content on PH that I thought was lost but it appears it's all still there. Posts and pictures going back to 2007. Without Larry it doesn't have the same feel but glad I can still access all the content if needed.
I was one of the first to notice when it came back online. I immediately copied the threads and the recipes that were important to me and saved them to my computer, just in case.
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Wow...altering PMs'? I didn't even think that was possible. That is crazy if that happened.
Writing as someone who hosts forums.
Everything in a forum will be held in a database. Even if the forum software itself gives you no access to other people's PMs (I know of none that actually does), it is fairly trivial to access them directly via the database. Changing or deleting data is equally easy.
However, it seems strange that someone would have the level of knowledge to do this, and yet be unable to fix a broken forum, taking it offline for several months.
I hasten to add that although doing all of of this is easy for anyone with a technical bent, I would never dream of doing it on any of my forums. If you don't have trust, you have nothing.
I believe you are alluding to this:
Being a data base, I would think any program that could access that data base would have the capability to "find and replace" certain words. I have no familiarity with whatever PM transgressions happened at PH but if it was something like replacing "pelletfan.com" with "other site" and it affected the entire site, I would have no issue with it whatsoever, especially if the words they are replacing are a link to a competing site. If I felt the moderators were reading through my PMs specifically I'd probably be more offended but I never considered "private messages" actually private from those that manage the site.
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Wow...altering PMs'? I didn't even think that was possible. That is crazy if that happened.
Writing as someone who hosts forums.
Everything in a forum will be held in a database. Even if the forum software itself gives you no access to other people's PMs (I know of none that actually does), it is fairly trivial to access them directly via the database. Changing or deleting data is equally easy.
However, it seems strange that someone would have the level of knowledge to do this, and yet be unable to fix a broken forum, taking it offline for several months.
I hasten to add that although doing all of of this is easy for anyone with a technical bent, I would never dream of doing it on any of my forums. If you don't have trust, you have nothing.
I believe you are alluding to this:
Being a data base, I would think any program that could access that data base would have the capability to "find and replace" certain words. I have no familiarity with whatever PM transgressions happened at PH but if it was something like replacing "pelletfan.com" with "other site" and it affected the entire site, I would have no issue with it whatsoever, especially if the words they are replacing are a link to a competing site. If I felt the moderators were reading through my PMs specifically I'd probably be more offended but I never considered "private messages" actually private from those that manage the site.
I was merely commenting that it is possible, even easy, for an admin (not a moderator) to read and edit all PMs; in response to the comment "I didn't even think that was possible."
I was not suggesting that had happened at the site in question, because I don't know; and - as I say - it doesn't fit with the technical expertise we have seen there.
As such, I wasn't alluding to nothing. I was making a statement of fact, that forum admins can trivially have access to everything, even if they don't exercise this.
It would be possible to design a forum where the texts of PMs were at least encrypted in the database, rather than being held as clear text. To the best of my knowledge, no forum has this as a feature. It still wouldn't stop a determined snooper with admin privaleges, as they would also have access to the encryption key, but it would make it a lot less convenient for them.
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So that folks on this forum are clear on this point -- all private messages are private. I have been advised by our CIO that, as our forum is presently set up, we cannot access or view pm's nor would we do so even if we could. That is simply beyond the pale.
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"I never considered "private messages" actually private from those that manage the site."
I could not disagree more with this - the word is PRIVATE. Are you saying that you find no problem with sites like gmail or yahoo mail admins reading your emails? Or worse, more insidious, changing the content so that the recipient(s) get THEIR message, not yours?
I am not trying to flame, but I do passionately believe this kind of action is totally unacceptable.
Please do not put words in my mouth. I never said I have no problem with yahoo or gmail accessing or changing my emails. I have no idea how you could make that jump, but you did. I said I, me, myself have never felt that PMs were actually private from those that manage the web site. They have access to them whether you feel they should or not. They do. It is a fact that Chris_M alluded to. That is what I said. Whether they choose to access and/or change that data is a whole other can of worms which carries different levels of "offensiveness" in my eyes depending on if the situation was across the board or specific to me only. At some level of management in yahoo / gmail, someone has access to your emails, whether you like it or not. Someone has access to the backups (even if you delete your emails, there are copies that can be viewed). The access is there, once again whether you like it or not.
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Don't know about other sites, but they aren't read here. And I don't doubt that maybe owners have that ability. It is not a matter of me assuring you I wont do it...I got a 997 on my SAT, and the only F I got in college was an IT class, you think I am capable of doing this?
If I felt the moderators were reading through my PMs specifically I'd probably be more offended but I never considered "private messages" actually private from those that manage the site.
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So that folks on this forum are clear on this point -- all private messages are private. I have been advised by our CIO that, as our forum is presently set up, we cannot access or view pm's nor would we do so even if we could. That is simply beyond the pale.
Whether you realize it or not you have access to every PM. Maybe not through the forum, but as the owner of pelletfan.com, you have access to the database. I am glad to hear you choose not to access the information, much less change it. But I have no doubt if one day you changed your mind (and I am quite sure you will not) you have access to the information. I am sure you have periodic back-ups to the site as well. It would be unwise not to. That said you even have access to some PMs that people have deleted in those back-ups.
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Don't know about other sites, but they aren't read here. And I don't doubt that maybe owners have that ability. It is not a matter of me assuring you I wont do it...I got a 997 on my SAT, and the only F I got in college was an IT class, you think I am capable of doing this?
If I felt the moderators were reading through my PMs specifically I'd probably be more offended but I never considered "private messages" actually private from those that manage the site.
You, and others, are taking this one quote out of context. Your intelligence or computer savvy is completely irrelevant. If you looked at the post I was commenting on when you quoted me, you would realize I was actually talking about admin at PH changing people's PMs and I was commenting on how I personally would feel if the editing of people's PMs was a broad stroke or specific to certain individuals at PH. I was not even talking about admin at pelletfan.com.
The point was A) As the owner, you have access to the database that is the very foundation of the site. That database has every PM, thread, post, etc. in it. You have access to it all. You own it. It is yours. B) If admin chooses to make a broad stroke and change every instance of the word "stick burner" to "evil stick burner" so that every post, PM, etc., where someone used the words "stick burner" it would now say "evil stick burner", that would be a mild invasion of the "Private" part of PM. It affects everyone equally. I would not be very offended personally even though it may affect some of my PMs. (Actually it would not affect a single PM I have but you get the point) C) If the admin actually sorted through the database to view/edit my personal messages only, for any reason, I would be considerably more offended. That was the point I was making. You have access and there are varying levels of offensiveness to admins editing any and all messages.
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Anyone visiting a forum of any kind is subject to the honesty of the owners. There are two levels of administration in any forum - the first level is the forum software itself (in the case of PF and PH is SMF) and the second level is root access to the domain typically through cPanel. Access to the forum software does not give the administrators access to the private messages of any members. However, whomever takes care of the domain and has cPanel access also has phpmyadmin access to the SLQ database foundation of the forum, which confers access to any bit of data on the server, including anything "private". So as is often advised, anything on the Internet is subject to violation of some kind.
That said, in general I choose to believe that fan sites have owners that are honest and forthright, and I do not worry about any invasion of privacy - I do not send messages that I would consider of interest to anyone but myself and the recipient.
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There is a difference between a site and a community. Although I’m sure valuable content remains archived there (for now), it appears to me that the community is here.
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I don't believe I am.
I took it to mean that as the owner of this site I have full access to all of its functions and one of those functions is the ability to do what you posted. And I agree with you, I guess I do. So I don't believe you were accusing Pellet Fan of Nefarious actions...But what I heard was, because I had the access & ability to do it (even though I do, I have no clue) I was being lumped in with sites that do allow it, and to that I would take offense. If that was not your intent, I believe it!
So as I have done some more research, if Pelletheads.com continues to use SMF, I guess it is possible for them to view PM's. As I stated reading the thread in the link below I came to believe that you would not be able to do this...because it would never get put on SMF "code" or whatever the term would be. But as I read through it, it appears the one participant reads his Members PM's all the time, and I am assuming (a big assumption, but why would they be on an SMF forum if he was not using it) he was using SMF for his forum, so after reading it I was left with the impression you can!
I have no idea if non SMF members will be allowed to read this? SMF Forum Topic:Setting to Allow Admin to Read Member PM's? (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=368201.40)
I guess in the end it all comes down to trust.
You, and others, are taking this one quote out of context.
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And I guess to make a post on the lighter side...why would I want to read PM's? So I can get mad at people calling me a Richard and to go take a flying leap? So that I can then ban that person? I would have to probably ban everyone including Kristin!
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calling me a Richard
That right there. That gave me the LOLs. :D
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I was wanting to use the search feature on the old site so I signed up for an account weeks ago. Still waiting for approval and since I'm not a member no way to ask what's taking so long. I agree they are dead over there but they have a ton of useful ideas, mods, etc. buried over there. Found several useful tidbits on my new grill.
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I don't believe I am.
I took it to mean that as the owner of this site I have full access to all of its functions and one of those functions is the ability to do what you posted. And I agree with you, I guess I do. So I don't believe you were accusing Pellet Fan of Nefarious actions...But what I heard was, because I had the access & ability to do it (even though I do, I have no clue) I was being lumped in with sites that do allow it, and to that I would take offense. If that was not your intent, I believe it!
So as I have done some more research, if Pelletheads.com continues to use SMF, I guess it is possible for them to view PM's. As I stated reading the thread in the link below I came to believe that you would not be able to do this...because it would never get put on SMF "code" or whatever the term would be. But as I read through it, it appears the one participant reads his Members PM's all the time, and I am assuming (a big assumption, but why would they be on an SMF forum if he was not using it) he was using SMF for his forum, so after reading it I was left with the impression you can!
I have no idea if non SMF members will be allowed to read this? SMF Forum Topic:Setting to Allow Admin to Read Member PM's? (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=368201.40)
I guess in the end it all comes down to trust.
You, and others, are taking this one quote out of context.
I could read the link.
I lumped you in with every other message board owner in that the ability to see our PMs is there, not that you actually looked at the PMs. Just because you (not just you but any message board owner) can see them, does not mean you do read them. You never gave me any reason to think you read the PMs but just because you do not read them, does not mean you cannot read them. They are not private even if you do not read them, at least in my eyes.
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And I guess to make a post on the lighter side...why would I want to read PM's? So I can get mad at people calling me a Richard and to go take a flying leap? So that I can then ban that person? I would have to probably ban everyone including Kristin!
They always say that eavesdroppers never hear any good of themselves. :D
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Wait... so what your sayin’ is that the interwebs are not 100% safe and private?
Yikes!!
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Wait... so what your sayin’ is that the interwebs are not 100% safe and private?
Yikes!!
;)
Reminds me of Captain Renault from "Casablanca", as he pockets his bribe from the gambling at Rick's Cafe: "I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked, to find that gambling is going on in this place!"
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I was a member on PH for years. There are mods here that mod there. At no time have I been able to get back on the site.
When asking for help, none was available. Not that it wasn't asked... But it never came to fruition.
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One can only ask so much, and the 'leaders' fail to understand.
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The site is dead to me and many others.
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Yeah, it sure seems to be lacking content anymore. 12 posts in 8 days is a little light.
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What I don't get is why even keep it on-line?
Reminds me of the old saying, "the lights are on but no one is home".
I do check it but only when it is mentioned here, otherwise it truly never crosses my mind.
Strange all the way around if you ask me.
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I was logging into the site but switched my email and tried to update it on the site. Well that was a few months ago. I never received the new activation email so I guess I'm not wanted.
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i think rip van winkle is a one man show over there. you would think at some point he would throw in the towel.
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i think rip van winkle is a one man show over there. you would think at some point he would throw in the towel.
Jvw has been banned from this site. Low Slow Joe here is still a mod there. I think there's one other...
Neither of them has been able to help me in getting to get back on line. The 'mods' there have no powers than to eliminate posts. They have no say in any form of the sites well being. They exist only for the purpose of removing all posts pointed to another site. Pretty sad all in all.
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i think rip van winkle is a one man show over there. you would think at some point he would throw in the towel.
Jvw has been banned from this site. Low Slow Joe here is still a mod there. I think there's one other...
Neither of them has been able to help me in getting to get back on line. The 'mods' there have no powers than to eliminate posts. They have no say in any form of the sites well being. They exist only for the purpose of removing all posts pointed to another site. Pretty sad all in all.
I know JVW was banned here for good reasons.
He was always more than happy to bash a grill even when he had no dog in the fight.
If it was a Traeger or Yoder it was all good with him.
Any one remember when a customer had a bad delivery with his Memphis grill?
Well he jumped all over Memphis about that. That is when Memphis Tech quit posting. Bentley tried to warn that this would happen.
So I for one don't miss him.
Wish Memphis Tech would come on here. He was a good resource for any Memphis grill owners.
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i think rip van winkle is a one man show over there. you would think at some point he would throw in the towel.
Jvw has been banned from this site. Low Slow Joe here is still a mod there. I think there's one other...
Neither of them has been able to help me in getting to get back on line. The 'mods' there have no powers than to eliminate posts. They have no say in any form of the sites well being. They exist only for the purpose of removing all posts pointed to another site. Pretty sad all in all.
I was banned long ago just because of my last name and JVW sent me a personal email to let me know that. So good to know I am in good company bobitis!!
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Wish Memphis Tech would come on here. He was a good resource for any Memphis grill owners.
I, too, miss Memphis Tech, for a myriad of reasons. I just now sent him an email asking him to look at this site.
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I thought I might get banned for my comment in the "Where is everybody" thread. It almost seemed like a phishing post to see who would reply with PF or send a PM to the OP so they could ban the malcontents that replied. Instead it just got locked up. My only comment was "Ever been to Jerome AZ?" It is a place I have only visited twice in my life as a kid but absolutely love(d). That town is the self proclaimed "America's most vertical city" and "The largest ghost town in America". The latter is also true of PH, only due to the way the site has been run since the passing of Larry. After promising to continue the legacy Larry built, the site was removed from service for months. When it came back the moderation has been very heavy handed. "Upgrades" have fallen well short of the promises made by multiple administrators. Moderators even publicly asking when the "upgrades" will happen only to be ignored by administrators. Multiple people forgetting their passwords and not being able to get back on due to administrators ignoring their requests. Early on, after the site came back online, I've even seen a couple posts where members had friends that wanted to join but their requests to join were ignored. It is kind of odd because someone is allowing new members as they have had new members every month since they have been online. It is almost as if the site was brought back online, only to be a thorn in the side of Pelletfan, once PF started getting a head of steam. To me, PH is a ship without a rudder, with an absent Captain, and a heavy handed first mate... I still follow to see where it is headed, but it is a shell of its former self.
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Wish Memphis Tech would come on here. He was a good resource for any Memphis grill owners.
DITTO!
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I was as loyal to Larry and PH as a member could be. And proud of it
I'm now banned from them. Yes I did make some disparaging remarks about Administration/Management
I think about my being banned - it's a good thing.
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I still don't think anyone believes me, but I still believe there is only one person that would have paid a Quarter of what Brenda was asking for Pelletheads and if it was more then that, I know it was that person! I think the purchase did not do what they had hoped, and now I think they just let the HostGator contract run out and it simply goes poof!
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Yes you were!
I was as loyal to Larry and PH as a member could be.
I'm now banned from them.
I think - - it's a good thing.
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I still don't think anyone believes me, but I still believe there is only one person that would have paid a Quarter of what Brenda was asking for Pelletheads and if it was more then that, I know it was that person! I think the purchase did not do what they had hoped, and now I think they just let the HostGator contract run out and it simply goes poof!
When does the contract expire so we can have the fireworks and party streamers ready?
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Created on 2007-03-09
Expires on 2022-03-10
Updated on 2017-02-23
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I still don't think anyone believes me, but I still believe there is only one person that would have paid a Quarter of what Brenda was asking for Pelletheads and if it was more then that, I know it was that person! I think the purchase did not do what they had hoped, and now I think they just let the HostGator contract run out and it simply goes poof!
While I have absolutely NO clue as to whom you would be referring to, that to me is the only thing that even remotely makes sense.
That is if I am reading between the lines correctly by assuming it was someone's hope of gaining financially?
Not sure if I am close by why else?
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I still go back and look every once in a while, but I'm more like a gawker looking at an accident.
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I thought I might get banned for my comment in the "Where is everybody" thread. It almost seemed like a phishing post to see who would reply with PH or send a PM to the OP so they could ban the malcontents that replied. Instead it just got locked up.
It doesn't appear to be locked. I commented and so did at least one other person.
I look at PH a couple of times a day. There are still people who are seeking help.
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I still don't think anyone believes me
Well I do
I know it was that person!
I agree again with ya, BigGuy.
I think the purchase did not do what they had hoped,
Right again. The purchase certainly failed to destroy the B & K team!
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I still don't think anyone believes me
Well I do
I know it was that person!
I agree again with ya, BigGuy.
I think the purchase did not do what they had hoped,
Right again. The purchase certainly failed to destroy the B & K team!
Wow, had no idea. Just stupid best I can tell.
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I thought I might get banned for my comment in the "Where is everybody" thread. It almost seemed like a phishing post to see who would reply with PH or send a PM to the OP so they could ban the malcontents that replied. Instead it just got locked up.
It doesn't appear to be locked. I commented and so did at least one other person.
I look at PH a couple of times a day. There are still people who are seeking help.
It is definitely locked, and has been for at least a few days now.
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Wish Memphis Tech would come on here. He was a good resource for any Memphis grill owners.
I, too, miss Memphis Tech, for a myriad of reasons. I just now sent him an email asking him to look at this site.
Memphis Tech is a member of this forum. Tremendous knowledge and a great service attitude and very helpful, but I don't blame any manufacturer for not wanting to expose themselves and their company to bashing. We have absolute control over this site (sorry to those who don't like to hear that) and would hopefully be able to prevent it -- which Bentley did not have the authority to do on PH (sometimes Larry was a puzzle). But I have also lived by "Once burned, twice shy" so I understand that philosophy.
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Yeah, it sure seems to be lacking content anymore. 12 posts in 8 days is a little light.
The ironic part is only 10 of those 12 posts show up in the recent posts page, meaning 2 posts (roughly 17%) were deleted or moved to an area us common folk cannot see. 4 more of the remaining 10 concern my "Ever been to Jerome, AZ" comment where the powers that be deemed necessary to lock the thread. As of this writing, 50% of the content in the last 9 days (month of August) ended with a locked thread or posts being deleted outright... Those numbers a quite encouraging for growth... ;)
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Why would one even want to continue to moderate a site if all you do is lock and delete posts of others? I just can't fathom how that could be enjoyable unless it was vengeful.
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I thought I might get banned for my comment in the "Where is everybody" thread. It almost seemed like a phishing post to see who would reply with PH or send a PM to the OP so they could ban the malcontents that replied. Instead it just got locked up.
It doesn't appear to be locked. I commented and so did at least one other person.
I look at PH a couple of times a day. There are still people who are seeking help.
It is definitely locked, and has been for at least a few days now.
Yep. I looked. It's locked now.
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Why would one even want to continue to moderate a site if all you do is lock and delete posts of others? I just can't fathom how that could be enjoyable unless it was vengeful.
What I find really frustrating is the lack of communication. There was no reason given for locking the thread. No rules were broken, etc. No one beyond the moderators / admin have any idea why the other 2 threads were deleted/moved. If you want the masses to quit doing whatever they are doing that the moderators feel is objectionable, let them know what they did wrong. Make a post saying this thread is locked for this reason so the posters can abide by the rules, written or not. If someone's entire post needs to be deleted, replace it with "You broke rule #XX of the bylaws you agreed to when you joined this site". Most people learn from their mistakes and some even learn from the mistakes of others. Those that do not learn, become forum Darwin award winners.
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Just to add to the conspiracy:
https://pelletfan.com/index.php?topic=926.0
Read everything there, and everything here. It's quite interesting when you combine the two threads and all the replies.
Jeramy from Utah could be the new owner of Traeger. Burk Resources LLC from Utah is no longer searchable on the WWW as linked by me in the above thread. POOF!
Burk123 hired a firm (EKR Agency) also in Utah, to help develop and promote the site. EKR appears to have a good reputation from what I can tell. As of yet (6 months), there has been no change in the PH site.
If Jeramy paid a bunch of money for PH, and hired a marketing firm to promote the site, something is clearly lacking.
1) Could Jeramy be the new owner of Traeger?
2) If so, why would he contact a site promoter like EKR when he's a master of the art already?
3) If Burk123 truly wanted to shut down PH, he could have done so. Keep in mind that I'm not a www site guru.
To me, this appears to be a bad decision gone worse, or someone has WAY too much money and not enough time.
Carry on...
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My first and last impression of JVW was, what a horse's ###.
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My first and last impression of JVW was, what a horse's ###.
Pretty sure some others feel the same way.
Could be a major reason he is not welcome here.
An old saying.
A snake by another name is still a snake.
And I see I have been deleted from that site now to.
Guessing good ol JVW is watching us. At least watching me.
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Wow! What is the saying about power corrupting?
I should be the bigger man and put an end to a thread like this...but I think we all know my true nature...
And I see I have been deleted from that site now to.
Guessing good ol JVW is watching us. At least watching me.
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Why would one even want to continue to moderate a site if all you do is lock and delete posts of others? I just can't fathom how that could be enjoyable unless it was vengeful.
I think it's a tie between "massive incompetence in maintaining/growing a forum" and "buying it to destroy it". I'm leaning toward the first, as for the second...the internet never forgets, although it does get more difficult to find info as time goes by. Even though PH was popular, I don't think it qualified as a massive industry influencing juggernaut. I just don't think it was that much of a threat, and mainly inhabited by people who weren't the Traeger target audience, and honestly the group wasn't that big in the first place in the grand scheme of things.
Besides, if you bought it to destroy it, why not just turn off the lights on day one? Saves you the hosting costs.
Bentley, you're doing a good job letting this run. This has all been on our minds, and it's good to have a chance to discuss it civilly. Thanks.
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Wow! What is the saying about power corrupting?
I should be the bigger man and put an end to a thread like this...but I think we all know my true nature...
And I see I have been deleted from that site now to.
Guessing good ol JVW is watching us. At least watching me.
I werked with a guy that was an *** at the office (and he was in many ways). If ya got him on his own time, he was delightful. To me, it's a matter of understanding one's personality and where they're coming from. Once I got over that hump, it was easy to differentiate the 2.
I recall a time back on PH where a member was bashing Kristen (imho) and responded in her defense. You and Kristen both told me to get a thicker skin. I did, and all is well now. I understand.
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My first and last impression of JVW was, what a horse's ###.
Pretty sure some others feel the same way.
Could be a major reason he is not welcome here.
An old saying.
A snake by another name is still a snake.
And I see I have been deleted from that site now to.
Guessing good ol JVW is watching us. At least watching me.
I can only look at PH, but I don't see where you have been 'deleted' from the site.
Bentley and Kristen are now 'guests', but you appear fine.
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I can only look at PH, but I don't see where you have been 'deleted' from the site.
Bentley and Kristen are now 'guests', but you appear fine.
The Screen Name WiPelletHead wouldn't add to my buddy list. Another member's would. That looks suspiciously like a deletion.
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Why would one even want to continue to moderate a site if all you do is lock and delete posts of others? I just can't fathom how that could be enjoyable unless it was vengeful.
I think it's a tie between "massive incompetence in maintaining/growing a forum" and "buying it to destroy it". I'm leaning toward the first, as for the second...the internet never forgets, although it does get more difficult to find info as time goes by. Even though PH was popular, I don't think it qualified as a massive industry influencing juggernaut. I just don't think it was that much of a threat, and mainly inhabited by people who weren't the Traeger target audience, and honestly the group wasn't that big in the first place in the grand scheme of things.
Besides, if you bought it to destroy it, why not just turn off the lights on day one? Saves you the hosting costs.
Bentley, you're doing a good job letting this run. This has all been on our minds, and it's good to have a chance to discuss it civilly. Thanks.
Agreed for the most part. There are brilliant people out there that excel in their fields, yet lack a modicum of common sense in a larger picture. Our current society is a great example. Many folks can't/refuse to see the forest for the trees.
PH was a dominant site in the bbq www. Go to any other bbq site and compare. Juggernaut? Depends on what yer comparing it to. Some folks have egos that cannot be tamed. Nothing short of elimination of the competition will suffice.
It's all about greed. Some people share willingly. Some folks suck.
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My status must have been changed by the more reasonable, temperate moderator on PH because I could not even view the site for a long, long time.
And not always about greed -- there was a person of means who hated Larry and tried to buy PH from him a few years back and Larry would not sell. Some folks with means have long memories and can afford to wait for their opportunities. A long, slow lingering death for PH would have been right in his wheelhouse.
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I can only look at PH, but I don't see where you have been 'deleted' from the site.
Bentley and Kristen are now 'guests', but you appear fine.
The Screen Name WiPelletHead wouldn't add to my buddy list. Another member's would. That looks suspiciously like a deletion.
Well, either I made a mistake or some thing has been changed.
Today I can log back in .
Now the problem is I forgot what I wanted to search for over there.
Sucks to get old. :rotf:
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Well, either I made a mistake or some thing has been changed.
Today I can log back in .
Now the problem is I forgot what I wanted to search for over there.
You still won't add to my Buddy List, others will.
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Well, either I made a mistake or some thing has been changed.
Today I can log back in .
Now the problem is I forgot what I wanted to search for over there.
You still won't add to my Buddy List, others will.
Try Wi Pellethead. There is a space in my user name over there.
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Try Wi Pellethead. There is a space in my user name over there.
That's it! You've broken the Circle of Trust! You're off my buddy list! :D
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New look but same ole PH.
July had 43 new posts but only 38 still exist. 11.6% of the total posts are being deleted.
July and August combined - 83 total posts made, but only 74 still exist. 10.8 % of all of the posts made in the last 2 calendar months have been deleted.
Censorship is quite strong over there.
Just like here, I can only look at the last 100 new posts. There, 100 posts takes me back more than about 2 months. Here, 100 posts takes me back about 24 1/2 hours...
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Just like here, I can only look at the last 100 new posts. There, 100 posts takes me back more than 2 months. Here, 100 posts takes me back about 24 1/2 hours...
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I don't think I deleted 9 post in 11 years!
Do you catch any before it is deleted? Any idea of the content? Does Stalin say why he is deleting it?
New look but same ole PH.
July had 43 new posts but only 38 still exist. 11.6% of the total posts are being deleted.
July and August combined - 83 total posts made, but only 74 still exist. 10.8 % of all of the posts made in the last 2 calendar months have been deleted.
Censorship is quite strong over there.
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I've seen a few posts before they were deleted and thought that is not going to stay long and the next time I visited the post was gone. The ones I notice are usually negative comments about moderators. Only 1 really stands out and that was someone who posted in the "Where is everyone?" thread. They posted something to the affect of "Deleting posts and strong handed censorship is not a good way to run the forum." It lead me to believe there was already at least one post deleted from that thread already. I have never seen any explanation as to why a post was deleted. One day it is there and then a few hours later it is not there anymore, just poof and gone.
I don't think I deleted 9 post in 11 years!
Do you catch any before it is deleted? Any idea of the content? Does Stalin say why he is deleting it?
New look but same ole PH.
July had 43 new posts but only 38 still exist. 11.6% of the total posts are being deleted.
July and August combined - 83 total posts made, but only 74 still exist. 10.8 % of all of the posts made in the last 2 calendar months have been deleted.
Censorship is quite strong over there.
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Regardless of the 'new look', I still can't get back on line. The functionality still sucks.
The 1st day it came back up, it had a link to Pelletheadsdeals.com. I checked it out and it was spam ridden. It had nothing to do with pelletheads and looked to be a an add revenue based site (of the weakest I've seen ever). Redirect, redirect, redirect...
Check me at yer own risk. Today, that link no longer exists. Weird, eh?
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Regardless of the 'new look', I still can't get back on line. The functionality still sucks.
The 1st day it came back up, it had a link to Pelletheadsdeals.com. I checked it out and it was spam ridden. It had nothing to do with pelletheads and looked to be a an add revenue based site (of the weakest I've seen ever). Redirect, redirect, redirect...
Check me at yer own risk. Today, that link no longer exists. Weird, eh?
Bob, I just checked and it still show you as a member.
Seems kind of funny that it shows as a secure site at times. And next thing you know, it shows as not secure.
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“Website not secure†seems to be a malady that is going around to several Forum sites lately. Don’t know what is causing it just hope it doesn’t show it’s ugly head on this site. Has happened to one mfg site that I own one of their PG, and another site I used to own one of their smokers. One completely updated their forum software and the other is still showing unsecure.
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Specific to that site is that although they have enabled HTTPS on their site, they are not forcing HTTP to HTTPS, which is recommended.
i.e. if you hit a site as http://your.site.here it will ideally immediately force you to https://your.site.here
So on that basis alone it is a crapshoot, whether you hit it as a secure site or not depends on whose link you are following, and whether the link uses HTTPS or HTTP.
But that isn't the problem other forums are having, and this forum can have too. More on that in the next reply.
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The general forum problem with "website not secure" is that they have taken an extremely stringent view of things. In some ways this is good, but I wish they had used a wide range of messages to explain to what degree a website is insecure. This would have avoided panicking people.
Basically even if your site is secured with a certificate, using HTTPS, any content on your page that isn't secure will render your page as a whole insecure.
To illustrate. As I type this, this topic page is showing as "Secure Connection". But now I am going to add a link to an image from my own website, which is not secure:
(http://www.foodadventure.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2018-05-28-14.49.24-4-647x485.jpg)
Bingo! Simply by adding an image, I have rendered this page insecure.
So the security of your page is controlled by the least secure element on the page. Forums suffer disproportionately from this problem, as so many people contribute, some of who will be using HTTP links. Which causes people to panic and email the admins saying "your site is insecure", when the only thing insecure is that image.
Consider, that much of this concern could be avoided if - instead of "website not secure" - the message under such circumstances was "some elements or images on this page are insecure". it would save a lot of grief.
So there is not a lot you can do about the forums/"website not secure" problem, except stop people linking to http sites, which seems extreme. Eventually the problem will resolve itself, as HTTP becomes less common, but I think we are still a couple of years away from that.
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Actually, it seems that Firefox does deal with this a little better than MS Edge.
(http://www.filklore.com/images/insecure notices.png)
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Thanks for the explanation Cgris.
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Yes, what Kristin said, thanks for the explanation!
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Yup, I see what you mean. Attached is a screenshot with the messaeg MS Edge displays, plus Edge shos a warning in the address bar.
Yes. It is the warning in the address bar in Edge and the broken padlock in Firefox that are the real problem. Most non-technical ordinary users will never actually click through to get the longer messages that are more informative. They will simply see "Not secure" and then distrust the security of the website as a whole.
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Simple Machines accounts for this! I’m guessing PelletFan just needs to turn on the proxy.
From: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=553857.0
Where is HTTPS-support in SMF? As you may have noticed, we have just released SMF 2.0.14 which introduces full support for HTTPS. It also includes an image proxy feature to ensure that images are always served through HTTPS. Whenever it encounters an image that is hotlinked from a website without HTTPS, it temporarily caches the remote image on your server and subsequently serves it to your visitors through the HTTPS connection of your own website. This way, SMF can achieve a full HTTPS environment without warnings and notices of insecure/mixed content. The upcoming SMF 2.1 release also includes this image proxy.
Basically even if your site is secured with a certificate, using HTTPS, any content on your page that isn't secure will render your page as a whole insecure.
To illustrate. As I type this, this topic page is showing as "Secure Connection". But now I am going to add a link to an image from my own website, which is not secure:
....
Bingo! Simply by adding an image, I have rendered this page insecure.
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What an excellent feature!
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I'll cut some slack to PH when they allow me to log back in. At that time, I will question if it's ethical to manipulate personal PM's. The mods there seem to have free reign to do what ever they 'feel', yet they have NO say in any other means of the site development.
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I went over there just to see if I could log back on. I did. Felt like I was entering a dimension foreign to me and I logged back out. I'm home here and here is where I will stay until I get kicked to the curb. I believe I can garner more and better information here also.
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my chromebook says
"your connection to this site is not fully secure"
about THIS site, Pelletfan.com
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my chromebook says
"your connection to this site is not fully secure"
about THIS site, Pelletfan.com
????
I don't know the answer because we pay extra money for a secure site.
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my chromebook says
"your connection to this site is not fully secure"
about THIS site, Pelletfan.com
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Right - read Chris_M's post. Links to images not hosted on PF's server(s) cause an unsecure path, thus the warning. ArborAgent's posts shows that SMF has a version (the forum software people), that addresses this hole.
Yes, that's exactly the problem I am talking about - and no-one's fault here on this site. One can't blame a user for thinking something is wrong if their browser is telling them "insecure".
The browser designers have got to stop writing code for their own level of knowledge, and aim their product at users with less technical expertise, so they don't scare the bejesus out of them. If that means more wordy error messages, so be it.
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The browser makers are doing this to force the internet to be more secure. Encrypting all connections and forcing siites to have certificates prove their identity makes us more secure. Eventually they will drop the “secure†on encrypted sites and we will only have insecure and secure.
It’s more work on site owners but better for the public. A worthwhile tradeoff
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No more comment at this time. The jury is still out as to whether privacy is even a question.
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Good chance I will be banned before sunlight
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I thought that was your goal. :)
You're still there at about 8:30 AM CDT.
EDIT: Your recent posts were missing two hours later.
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PM's are still being monitored and manipulated at this time at PH.
Don't believe it? Send me one and I will prove it.
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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1884/29451588107_297f8a8704_c.jpg)
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Eyes are to old, what does it say?
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I cannot read it either.
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Eyes are to old, what does it say?
I was banned
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I also just noticed I was not "logged on" anymore, just opens as ......welcome guest or something.
Not sure why it is sometimes on then sometimes as a guest.
Can someone let me know if I am banned also.
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There was another site that started a few years after Pelletheads, the owner of that site felt he was not being treated fairly and decide he would start his own. There was a big blow up on that site about PM's, a member found out that they were reading his PM's...and after getting caught with his pants down, the owner had to come out and say, yes, he did this and that he makes no bones about it. That there is no right to privacy and what I found to be laughable...that all sites did it! Sure they do!
I have no idea if they are reading, or what would anger me even more is modifying PM's. But I do not believe Bobitis would lie. Sure sounds like a similar pattern!
Glad I have no reason to be on the site anymore!
PM's are still being monitored and manipulated at this time at PH.
Don't believe it? Send me one and I will prove it.
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It appears to me that certain changes are being made by the software. Here are some I've noticed–
• If I type Bentley, it immediately changes to BM
• If I type pelletfan, it immediately changes to pelletheads
• Typing Kristin is also changed but I don't recall the result
I don't get bent out of shape over any of it. It's not a pivotal point in my life. Owners may do what they want with their sites. I just agree to play by their rules in order to participate. I'll leave when I no longer get what I want from the site, same with all sites.
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I also just noticed I was not "logged on" anymore, just opens as ......welcome guest or something.
Not sure why it is sometimes on then sometimes as a guest.
Can someone let me know if I am banned also.
Just sent you a PM on that site. No error message like I get when trying to send to BBL.
Thanks, I only check it when something like this is brought up but it is funny, when I do sometimes I am active, others a guest.
I haven't posted there in at least a year best I remember, maybe even longer.
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• Typing Kristin is also changed but I don't recall the result
Sigh...I am fairly forgettable.
I agree that an owner has a right to run their site as they choose, I would just think they would be up front about what they are doing. If you are changing or substituting names, just tell people, especially if it is in their PMs. Why wouldn't you just to avoid the grief? If they aren't up front, then I might have to pause and say, why aren't they being upfront and what else are they doing that I don't know about? selling my info? putting cookies on my computer? Other computer stuff that I don't even know enough about to know what it would be?
If someone tells me up front, great I use at my own risk. But if someone buys a site that has been very trustworthy for years and starts trading on that trust without telling people that the rules have changed, then I become a bit concerned. But each person has their own level of tolerance for different types of conduct.
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It appears to me that certain changes are being made by the software. Here are some I've noticed–
• If I type Bentley, it immediately changes to BM
• If I type pelletfan, it immediately changes to pelletheads
• Typing Kristin is also changed but I don't recall the result
I don't get bent out of shape over any of it. It's not a pivotal point in my life. Owners may do what they want with their sites. I just agree to play by their rules in order to participate. I'll leave when I no longer get what I want from the site, same with all sites.
I opened a window to post in a thread and typed "Bentley and Kristin at pelletfan" and clicked on preview and the site automatically changed it to, "BM and Kristin at PF". Now if I actually owned a Bentley and wanted to talk about how awesome it was to drive, I might be a little annoyed that it changed it to BM. But, I don't have to worry about that at the moment and probably never will. I have no issue with this at all, even if it affects PMs.
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PM's are still being monitored and manipulated at this time at PH.
Don't believe it? Send me one and I will prove it.
Bob, I sent you a PM over there.
Don't doubt you at all.
Seen some changes from what I typed.
So looks like your correct.
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BBL did go out with bang, I got quite a chuckle! Quickly deleted.
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PM's are still being monitored and manipulated at this time at PH.
Don't believe it? Send me one and I will prove it.
Bob, I sent you a PM over there.
Don't doubt you at all.
Seen some changes from what I typed.
So looks like your correct.
"Hello Bobitis,
A user informed me that you feel that this site has monitored and modified your PMs in the past. I wanted to reach out to you and assure you that I have never looked or modified and user's PMs on Pelletheads, and to be honest wouldn't event know how to. We would love you have you as a regular user of the site. Please let me know if you have any questions I can answer for you. Thanks
Burk123"
There's one thing I hate most, and that's calling me a liar. If I mess up or put out some bad info, I'll be the first to admit it. This is NOT the case.
I've no idea who this 'user' is, but they have no concept of my experience.
I have seen it. The abuse is there. Don't you DARE tell me yer ignorant to the matter. >:(
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that is the owner
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I am wondering who Scooter is that started this thread? His name shows up black, is he one that got deleted the other week? I did know guests could come to a forum and post. I have not tried to go back to the other one for some time. I may try it but if it is like that not sure I need to bother.
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He was a member of Pelletheads, then went to another site and became a moderator, then signed up for this site. He along with several others were deleted. I made the post you are referring to and advised any who were deleted to contact me and we would get them set back up! Only one has choose to do so, so I am assuming the others don't want to be part of the site, or have not been back in so long they don't know/care. The only section a guest cant view on this site is Competition section, and yes, guests can't post. They have never been able to.
Either way it cleans up the site. I would prefer to have 100 Members who contribute, then 100,000 that are just members in name only. We are never going to monetize this site, so large numbers of Members mean nothing to me. Content is what drive a site like this! And the only way you get content is with contributing Members.
If I had it to do over again, it would have been like Old School Alcoholic's Anonymous, you would have needed a sponsor to become a Member!
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The End (https://youtu.be/JSUIQgEVDM4)
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As of 5:28 pm pacific time, I tried to look at ph...
Warning: main(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 47
Notice: Undefined variable: boarddir in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 47
Warning: main(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
Notice: Undefined variable: sourcedir in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
Warning: require_once(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
Warning: require_once(/QueryString.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
Warning: require_once(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required '/QueryString.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
Next fubar???
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That is better than the message I get that says I am banned with no timetable for being reinstated.
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Last I heard they were moving to a new hosting site. Maybe they are in the transition.
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"Does anybody really know what time it is?
Does anybody really care?
If so, I can't imagine why."
Chicago
Transit Authority
1969
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This morning they appear to be back online ?
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Sorry Bar-B-Lew, you are banned from using this forum!
This ban is not set to expire.
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Sorry Bar-B-Lew, you are banned from using this forum!
This ban is not set to expire.
You must have been a REALLY bad boy!
Just kidding, doesn't seem like you are missing much, somehow I am only a guest.
Kind of funny if you ask me :pig:
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Sorry Bar-B-Lew, you are banned from using this forum!
This ban is not set to expire.
It shows you were last active at 8:50 this morning. If yer banned, they're still tracking you.
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Interesting... way down at the bottom of PH, you see this:
SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
SMFAds for Free Forums
Smf Destek
SMFAds is a link and Free Forums is a separate link.
http://www.smfads.com/
https://www.createaforum.com/
hmmm... Larry would never allow ads. Bentley strictly enforced this rule (thank you sir). Sadly, it whizzed off some members, but hey... rules are rules.
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Bob, I am not sure that means advertising is going on. It may mean that it is coming, but even that is speculation. It may just mean that that is the new SMF program they are using!
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Sorry Bar-B-Lew, you are banned from using this forum!
This ban is not set to expire.
It shows you were last active at 8:50 this morning. If yer banned, they're still tracking you.
Interesting. I stayed logged in all of the time so I am probably still logged in if you check it again. I can only get to the screen that tells me I am banned for life. No worries. Nothing there I need.
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Looks like it's down again. What's really odd is, it no longer appears when entered in a search engine.
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Maybe some tech person can advise. This is what appears for me when I look at PH:
Warning: require_once(/home/tungst7/public_html/Sources/QueryString.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required '/home/tungst7/public_html/Sources/QueryString.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
Does this mean something?
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It's been that way off and on for the past several weeks, however, this time it is longer than usual. The site is in the process of being rehosted and supposedly this is causing the problem. Personally, I think that it is the death knell. :2cents:
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Maybe some tech person can advise. This is what appears for me when I look at PH:
Warning: require_once(/home/tungst7/public_html/Sources/QueryString.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required '/home/tungst7/public_html/Sources/QueryString.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/tungst7/pelletheads.com/index.php on line 51
I deleted my PH account early in September. Someone who signed an email as Jeramy asked if I really wanted to. A few days later I went back to see if I was shown as a Guest—I wasn't. A few days after that I started receiving the same messages as you, Kristin.
There are probably a few recipes that I'd like to retrieve from there, but I'm caring less and less.
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What I don't get is why there is no mention of the site when searched for it. It's like it never existed. Ya get references posted to other sites, but none from the original.
Very weird...
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So, would someone on this site who is still a member of PH advise as to whether they can get on and it is just those who have no account who can't view?
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I believe Bobitis is a member there...
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I just tried it, I am a member and it shows what Kristin posted.
They have shown me as a member but I have also noticed “guestâ€.
I changed nothing, it is on their end?
Don’t care though I don’t have any more interest in getting on it anyway.
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There is something wrong with the file path in the config.
This is typical of someone moving a site - either to another place on the same server, or on a different server - and not realising they have to change the configuration file to suit.
I'm still a member there, and it is doing it to me.
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It seems they are back up again, nothing new. Seems like a wasted effort.
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:rotf: I deleted my shortcut to PH earlier this week, literally. I gave up on it completely. I do not plan on going back there, unless I need something from the archives.
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I'm probably still banned. No need to retreat.
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I simply do not understand this website anymore...I really don't.
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I too had deleted the link but it's nice to have access to all of that good data.
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I'm surprised it ever came back at this point. I think the owner has a new hobby anyway: mavicpilots.com/threads/anyone-in-arizona-phoenix-area-interested-in-hitting-some-nice-clear-spots-this-weekend.51935/#post-596460
Maybe it's not the same guy...
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I doubt it is.
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AND... the pm's are still being moderated/modified.
Nice place they created.... >:(
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Well, when you consider the main player(s) involved in the whole fiasco,
it's easier to understand.
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Well, when you consider the main player(s) involved in the whole fiasco,
it's easier to understand.
This is what gets me. Why? Why would anyone pay good money for a site and walk away from it?
The sites been up for a few days and there's only 1 new post. And it was questioning the validity of the site being up (again).
Burk123 (the supposed owner) was last logged on 10/09/2018. Really? Your site recovers from a melt down and you are absent? ???
I'm happy that it's back up for historical purposes. Sadly, there's no one there I can interact with so I deleted my account.
I just can't fathom what happened, but here is my new home.
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It coming back online, again, and the "owner" as you say, not caring! I would love to know how it just pops back up!
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Too bad this site doesn't remain online because of the ancient pellet smoker history it contains. I could have used it while building my homemade smoker. It always seemed to be dead when I was researching something or another.
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Well, I wonder if this is the final Death Knell?
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Well, I wonder if this is the final Death Knell?
My guess is you're correct as while it was up it was only getting a singular post every few days.
It is too bad that once it is dead for good, all the knowledge will disappear.
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I would not say all the knowledge would be gone. There is still a bunch of knowledge here. Maybe some archives or history or recipes are gone, but not all of the knowledge.
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Agreed. I left out one important word. The sentence should have said "all the knowledge there....".
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I don't feel that anything is lost at all. Most, if not all of the most experienced cookers are here and respond quickly to any questions about recipes, grill upgrades, problems or whatever. As much as I enjoyed all of the Pit reviews and testing, they seem less relevant now with the industry changing so much in a short period of time.
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I'm a little tentative on resurrecting this thread. Been working for 17 out of 18 days 13 hours yesterday , just needed a break. I mistakenly typed in pelletheads.com instead of pelletfan.com
It resolves to https://pellethead.com/online-home-page/
Earth Sense Energy Systems Inc.
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Apparently, there's a Mr. Pellethead there..... ::)
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I'm a little tentative on resurrecting this thread. Been working for 17 out of 18 days 13 hours yesterday , just needed a break. I mistakenly typed in pelletheads.com instead of pelletfan.com
It resolves to https://pellethead.com/online-home-page/
Earth Sense Energy Systems Inc.
There was another thread or post within some other thread a few weeks ago about this. Apparently, that company had previously owned www.pellethead.com back in the day when www.pelletheads.com was functional. Seems like they may have ended up buying the web address and redirecting it to their homepage.