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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Non food Related => Topic started by: Bentley on April 07, 2019, 01:46:08 PM
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Woe is Me!
1st time I have not been able to pull or dig out. AAA only does cars, sent pictures to local towing company to give me a ballpark $ and now I am off to look at power winches!
I Love Virginia Clay!
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I am not sure folks can really appreciate this photo unless they know that there is a big bucket on the front of that tractor completely submerged in the mud.
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Did not realize there was a buried bucket which is no doubt hindering your ability to pull it out of the mud. Depending on the cost of a professional towing service I would try the following: If you have plywood I would build a wall around the bucket and try to remove the mud from the bucket. If you can do that and raise the bucket above the mud you just might be able to either pull yourself or dig your self out as the bucket will no longer act like an anchor.
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I was gonna try some 2 x 10's but the area that needs the wood is so wet that it would just submerge the boards. It also had much firmer soil on either side and they are long 2 x 10.s so I was afraid that it would just end up snapping them.
I can get the bucket out, that is not an issue, I just figured as long as it sits waiting for solution, I would rather have the bucket buried, then the motor! Par for the course, if I could just move it about 25 feet, it would hit firm enough ground I could crawl it out with the bucket, but it is in the wettest spot in the "pond" and it is surrounded by mud.
And the constant flow of water does not help either. If I could get this stupid little spring to dry up, it would dry out in 5 days!
A troublesome Spring! (https://youtu.be/WB2OrIxQKgM)
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They is nothing to grip! And as soon as I lift the bucket, the body is in 3 feet of muck! Imagine setting a tractor in a very thick pudding, and trying to get the bucket to grip, that is what is happening, and just 25 feet away, is old crusty pudding that would grip the bucket!
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Anyone have any experience with 12v winches, and how powerful they are, and what load they will pull? That is a 2500lb tractor, but I am pretty sure a 2500lb. wench won't budge it with the muck around it. Now, a 9000lb? I have no idea what force the mud exerts, or if a 12v (Is that what is on a tow truck) wench will even work?
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I've seen a 12V 12,000 winch at Harbor Freight for around $400. I'm not sure what a tow truck would charge but this way you still have the winch.
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Got any farmer neighbors with 200+hp 4WD tractor?
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From my experience, an electric winch would be iffy and probably burn it out first. Try and find someone with a PTO winch. They'll pull their guts out or snap the line first. Any tow company could hook up with their winch and pull it out easily.
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Had a Woody moment, I thought PTO winches, let me look into that. Then I realized where the PTO is at!
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Not my way and wrong time of year to be asking!
Got any farmer neighbors with 200+hp 4WD tractor?
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The only issue I have with the winch is knowing how much drag the mud adds, and how much pulling force it would take to break it free?
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I know that doubles it, the real issue if I was to get a winch, I either get all new bumber to install it on, or figure out how to attach it to a tree!
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Use a snatch block to double your pulling power and it will come out
Use two snatch blocks.
- Cable goes from a vehicle winch around a snatch block on an anchor point near the tractor (tree)
- Back to a snatch block on the rescue vehicle (tow hook)
- Out to the stuck tractor
- It's like a block and tackle
Your pulling power is doubled but you have to pull two times as much cable so you have to figure out how to splice in the needed cable or strap length. If it's a long pull, you'll probably have to remove the spliced-in cable or strap and restring the assembly once or twice. It's a lot of work, but it seems like fun when you're finished.
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I know that doubles it, the real issue if I was to get a wench, I either get all new bumber to install it on, or figure out how to attach it to a tree!
Does one snatch block (one pulley) double the pulling power? Doesn't one pulley just change the pull direction?
EDIT: You'r right. If you put the snatch block on the tractor, you have one pulley but two lines supporting the load. That indicates that the pulling power is doubled, but you have to pull twice as much cable.
My example is three times the pulling power when the snatch block is on the tractor.
Sorry, I had to think about it for a few minutes.
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The only issue I have with the wench is know how much drag the mud adds, and how much pulling force it would take to break it free?
I doubt there is a way to tell how much drag the mud will add. But growing up on a farm, we got tractors and combines stuck a number of time. All I can say the mud will require a lot of extra pulling power to get it out.
Plus looking at the picture, the only choice is to pull it forward. It looks like pulling it the other way it would have come out easier.
Just make sure to be careful. If a cable or chain snaps under pressure it can be extremely dangerous.
Did a towing company ever get back to you with a price?
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I know that doubles it, the real issue if I was to get a wench, I either get all new bumber to install it on, or figure out how to attach it to a tree!
Does one snatch block (one pulley) double the pulling power? Doesn't one pulley just change the pull direction?
EDIT: You'r right. If you put the snatch block on the tractor, you have one pulley but two lines supporting the load. That indicates that the pulling power is doubled, but you have to pull twice as much cable.
My example is three times the pulling power when the snatch block is on the tractor.
Sorry, I had to think about it for a few minutes.
Here is a web site with good examples of using pulleys to increase pulling power.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/engines-equipment/pulley.htm
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To much bank, and the cut for the out flow of water is there, just precarious or that is what I would have liked to do. I have no idea what I am gonna do, tow truck people never returned my email, so I guess they want no part of it!
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Must be the way but sure looks very unsafe. I would not try this but thought I would post it. Look like same kind of clay. If you do pull it out with Rope, Strap or Cable make sure to hang something over it to help stop the recoil if it breaks.
Mudflap
https://youtu.be/_t9JpcPdr44
https://youtu.be/c_I8v23wQBU
https://youtu.be/95WqSH2GnjY
https://youtu.be/lBLMylPaWps
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Did you try a regular tow place or one that does 18 wheelers?
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Looks to me like it's going to have to be dug out some.
Be careful you don't leave parts behind in the muck with to much pulling force.
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The bucket should be lifted out of the mud to lessen the drag..Looks as if there is a large tree that can be used as an anchor point for pulling..Ramps under the wheels may help... It is going to take a lot of
strength to pull it out - weight of the tractor, resistance of the mud and SUCTION..This is going to be a job I am not envious of.
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What were you doing to get stuck like that?
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I would also be concerned about keeping the tractor cool, if the mud and gunk has gotten to the fan-radiator etc. that could give you additional problems.
Hope you safely remove it.
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I use it for dirt, I had chopped it up pretty good last year, not worrying about rain. It rained so much last year I could not get into it to "smooth" it so the water ran puddled every where. It does not take much to get off into the mud, and I mean a very narrow margin. I was trying to get across to a dry area and start pushing dirt to the outer banks, and here we are!
And it is going to taking digging, I know that in my heart and do not want to face it!
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We had to rescue a guy in a similar situation last fall. He got stuck in the mud up to his waist while digging out his tractor.
Be Careful and stay safe!
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Yikes, looks like you need to drain the swamp first and then do some digging..
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Tow company wants $250...I grantee you I buy a wench and snatch block before that happens.
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Have not Hot Smoked any bacon in awhile, so why not. 1 hour in at 180° on the Pro!
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Thats good looking, how big is it?
Did you wet or dry cure it also?
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Just shy of 10lbs. I used a dry rub cure on it. I did not have any large ziplocks, so in my infinite wisdom, I just assume I could rub my cure mixture on it, and place it on slotted rack of fridge with towel underneath. I guess it worked, it does not seem salty enough for me, but that will please Kristin when she eats it!
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2 hours @ 180°!
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In my misspent youth, one of the phrases I was quite fond of using when somebody wanted me to do something, anything. "might as well, fields too wet to plow". So.....might as well make some bacon while the field is too wet to plow? :rotf:
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Tow company wants $250...I grantee you I buy a wench and snatch block before that happens.
I agree, you will probably need that winch again, but becarefull cause you could get yourself hurt or be killed if something goes wrong.I might just pay the $250.
By the way your bacon looks great.
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Gee, Bentley, I'd wager that one of the volunteer firefighters that you two support has a winch on a vehicle. Then you'll just need to buy a snatchblock or two.
OR...Buy a really long cable and snatchblock(s), get a tractor or your 4-wheel drive pickup on solid ground and pull.
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I'm not in your position, but I would spend the $250 and call it a day and get on with life.
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I am a chicken. Pay o get it done.
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I'd pay the for tow truck after I tried everything else. However, I'd be darn sure to get it out before the mud starts to dry. :-[
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I'm not in your position, but I would spend the $250 and call it a day and get on with life.
I’m with this vote. Doesn’t seem that bad to me based upon the pic of your predicament...but, i’m stubborn too and would probably try the winch and fail first and spend $600 in the end :P
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Tow company wants $250...I grantee you I buy a wench and snatch block before that happens.
That's cheap.
No brainer for me.
Now when I do something like that my saying is, "stupid is expensive"
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I'd still offer a farmer neighbor with a big 4WD tractor a brisket, sides, and one of Kristin's desserts; it'd work for me! :lick:
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I'd still offer a farmer neighbor with a big 4WD tractor a brisket, sides, and one of Kristin's desserts; it'd work for me! :lick:
Best solution yet.
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Did you consider the methods in Mudflap's videos? That is a very common way to unstick a tractor in muck. Old-fashioned ingenuity at work. Easier than setting up a winch solution, and without the concern of snapping a cable or burning out a winch.
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Tractor has bucket, and is buried more then tractor 1, so it is out. The other 3 require putting chains through the rim I believe, and I cant do that on mine, 3 did look promising!
My latest attempt was digging today, but that quickly wore off, and my mind drifted to diverting spring. So I went and bought a 10 ft piece of 2 inch PVC with a 90° elbow. 1st attempts were not promising as the spring seemed to "move" as PVC was driven in. So I think I am goin to build up area around spring and run the PVC out from it and see if we can divert water. My real worry now is there are little springs like this all over and just diverting this one is going to do nothing. But I gotta try!
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Just an idea Bentley...
Have you thought about throwing some timber in the muck 'behind' the tractor and backing out? You could used the bucket to help get some traction.
It appears that going forward is out of the question (from the pics). Surely you have enough wood to fill the back end. Is the fore end so deeply mired that the bucket can't provide any lift?
Just a thought...
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Out here a tow job like that will run $130-$150 an hour and most will not commit to a total price. If those guys will commit to $250 with no damage, it's quite fair.
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The tractor has so much mud underneath it now, back or forward is virtually impossible, and the liquefaction in front of the bucket is so bad that I cant get a bite pushing or pulling!
I need to get it dry enough I can dig both under the tractor, front and back wheels and about 8 feet in front of the bucket. It will be a lot of digging, and it will be tough going even if it drys, but it would only be about a half day. At this point I am to afraid to try and drag it out cuz there is just to much mud around it!
Tomorrow is another day and more drama! If I can divert the spring, I should know in 48 hours if is is just one spring!
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Pray for NO RAIN!
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I am afraid back here, that will be a deal breaker too!
Pray for NO RAIN!
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I know there are big storms rolling through northern mississippi over the next four days. Not sure if they are headed through your area after that.
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Wait until all the ground dries out. Then dig it out and just drive out of the hole.
Z
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Believe it or not, I have divert the spring and I think the water towards the tractor is almost completely gone. Got the bucket out today, but either buried it so deep the fan stopped turning, or the belt snapped, or the face of the radiator is so clogged the cooling system is not working.
So things just keep getting better. Weather.com says 80% chance of rain on Friday & Sunday...I really screwed the pooch on this one!
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Hope you have a power washer wen you get it out
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Believe it or not, I have divert the spring and I think the water towards the tractor is almost completely gone. Got the bucket out today, but either buried it so deep the fan stopped turning, or the belt snapped, or the face of the radiator is so clogged the cooling system is not working.
So things just keep getting better. Weather.com says 80% chance of rain on Friday & Sunday...I really screwed the pooch on this one!
Just don't over heat it then all you work will be for not.
You always call yourself a cheap screw you should have let the tow company do it for $250
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But I think you are like me and determined to do it yourself.
The worst that could happen is you get a new tractor and that tractor will become pond fountain.
I wish I was in you area to give a hand.
Just don't hurt yourself doing it my friend.
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Believe it or not, I have divert the spring and I think the water towards the tractor is almost completely gone. Got the bucket out today, but either buried it so deep the fan stopped turning, or the belt snapped, or the face of the radiator is so clogged the cooling system is not working.
So things just keep getting better. Weather.com says 80% chance of rain on Friday & Sunday...I really screwed the pooch on this one!
I was worried about that. Be careful.
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I am to burn previously Roundup'ed weeds today, so after that I will go take a picture of the pond and see if new springs have popped up or drying continues!
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Bentley what is the current status of the dig out
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Well, we got 3/4 inch of rain last night. I can't see the tractor or the pond from the house, but I am going to predict it won't be a pretty sight when he gets around to examining it.
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We are at a point in Spring where the cover crops are growing, and it is warmer both day and night, so the ground takes up more water, but it was a set back. I had hoped to start digging today, but that is out of the question. The 80% chance of rain tomorrow is now 50%. Future forecast is no rain for the week and 80° Wednesday & Thursday. So I am hoping to start digging this week!
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If it starts to dry you could check and see how much a walk behind trencher rents for. I think it is about 100-145 day in my area. Could use it like a grinder and remove all the dirt in front of the tractor and maybe between wheels.
Mudflap
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Any luck or you would rather not talk about it?
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No, I enjoy others commiserating with my drama! I wanted to show an AA friend what it looked like, so I got the Ram stuck tonight too, but that is an easy fix tomorrow with the golf cart. Even for a 2x drive, weak truck tires that cant go across 4 feet of wet ground.
I did not even want to go down til after this weekend. We had storms predicted Friday (3/4 of inch recorded here) and we were supposed to get hit hard last night with rain & possible tornado. Only got 1/16th. Dodged a bullet there, and windy all last night, and sunny and windy all day today. Supposed to be 70°, 74°, & 79°, next 3 days, with rain on Friday. I am hoping to go down tomorrow and find the soil in front of the tractor hardening, if so, I would hope by Weds I can either dig, or by Thurs crawl it out with the bucket!
Will see, will takes some pictures and video tomorrow, as I have nothing else to do till it dry up around here again!
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This is evolving into a L O N G saga.. I do find it most interesting and awaiting a joyful outcome.
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Great drama today, i have a meeting tonight, will try and post when I get home, but my back is killing me!
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No, I enjoy others commiserating with my drama! I wanted to show an AA friend what it looked like, so I got the Ram stuck tonight too, but that is an easy fix tomorrow with the golf cart. Even for a 2x drive, weak truck tires that cant go across 4 feet of wet ground.
I did not even want to go down til after this weekend. We had storms predicted Friday (3/4 of inch recorded here) and we were supposed to get hit hard last night with rain & possible tornado. Only got 1/16th. Dodged a bullet there, and windy all last night, and sunny and windy all day today. Supposed to be 70°, 74°, & 79°, next 3 days, with rain on Friday. I am hoping to go down tomorrow and find the soil in front of the tractor hardening, if so, I would hope by Weds I can either dig, or by Thurs crawl it out with the bucket!
Will see, will takes some pictures and video tomorrow, as I have nothing else to do till it dry up around here again!
Sorry to upset you
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Sorry if my post came out as Cross...You did not upset me, I was serious in what I stated. I seem to relish showing my screw ups, content is content! It is out, more in a bit!
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Here is your winner of the...How will the Tractor be Extracted....contest! Almost got the extra credit, only missed the HP by 50.
It is out, but it is TWEEKED. Only had time this afternoon to try and get majority of mud off with hose. Not sure if the extraction did the damage, I think it did, but that is what happens when neighbors try and be nice, and my slow brain does not have time to process how to do it. I should have asked Dennis to go over the bank and pull it from behind about 5 feet. That would have got the front end out of the deep low mud and moved the back end out of its rut. Insted, we just hooked up chain to tow bard and he kind of tried a perpendicular extraction. They are not used to dealing with pygmy tractors, these guys have real tractors, and I just don't think he realized how much torqued it would apply. Sure don't blame him, he did not get it stuck! The tow company might have done the same thing, and I would still be out $250!. It not only bent the tow bar, I believe it has snapped the front axel off the frame. Just not sure, will look closely tomorrow. Need to take the exhaust off, make sure all mud is out of it, then see if it will start or if that is also on the list of things to be fixed.
Oh well, I saved $250 right?
Tweeked LS Tractor (https://youtu.be/xlAq8ugL8tw)
Got any farmer neighbors with 200+hp 4WD tractor?
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Oh, and another thing, it is supposed to rain an inch on Friday. Now that it is out, mark my words, we will not have rain for 6 weeks!
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Ouch! I hope it's just the front brushguard!
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I am amazed at how fast that area dried up. Best of luck to you regarding minimal damage. You may now know the limits of the tractor (and your truck) in wet soil.
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I know that I am primarily responsible for urging him to take Dennis up on the offer, so if it is ruined, I will pay. It is just that it is a quagmire down there. With any rain -- which we will get for months -- it will be impossible to dig out. And as I saw it being pulled out, I don't know that it could ever have been dug out. It was at least 3 to 4 feet deep into the mud at the front. IF the bed had ever dried enough to dig, you would have had to hand dig tons of dirt to get to the front and have any type of angle/ramp to pull it out. Given our age and shape and using shovels, that was weeks of work and it would have rained in that time and then been the fall and then winter, etc.
But let's say best case is drought and we dig and dig and dig -- the whole thing was so encased in mud, that if it dried it would be like concrete around the tractor (the mud encased the wheels, was up under the tractor and into the engine -- the photo is after it has been hauled a bit and mud has fallen off) and you would have damaged it pulling it out completely dry. And then you would have had an engine that sat in mud and water for what -- 6 months?
This was a no win situation. At least now we can assess the damage and move forward.
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I am amazed at how fast that area dried up.
Not sure exactly what you are referring to. The pond where the tractor was still has water running all over in it and the spring in the pond is still pumping water out.
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Hopefully it is minor damage and easily/inexpensively repaired.
I do agree that it is a very good thing that you got it out, it would have only gotten worse and that easily could have furthered the damage to it, sitting in those conditions etc.
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I am amazed at how fast that area dried up.
Not sure exactly what you are referring to. The pond where the tractor was still has water running all over in it and the spring in the pond is still pumping water out.
I was probably mistaking the photo for an area where the tractor was pulled out of the gumbo as they call it in MS and AR.
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"the whole thing was so encased in mud, that if it dried it would be like concrete around the tractor (the mud encased the wheels, was up under the tractor and into the engine"
That was my concern with waiting. Your lawyer is coming out and I believe you argued it very well. Had to make the best of a very bad situation. Hopefully it can be repaired without costing an arm and a leg.
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I do not look forward to the estimate, but there is a relief about not having to go down there every day and deal with it! Can move on to the many other chores needed to be done.
I hope to tow it up to the garage area this weekend, take off the exhaust, make sure it is clear and try and start it. If it does, maybe then I can see if it even will move.
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Check the oil in the differentials and engine before you start it. Water contamination is a real concern when submerged like it was.
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I am just glad to see that you got it out without yourself or anyone else getting injured. The tractor, if damaged, can be repaired but at our age repairs are tougher on our bodies.
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Got to see it in more detail today, away from the mud. The frame on the left side of the tractor is completely fractured. Snapped at a bolt, not sure if that is a good or bad thing. Had yard work to do before the rain came, so very little time for it. Hope it is clear tomorrow so I can get it up by the garage, get it on the floor jack and see where we are!
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Yeah, if it was in the pond after the rain last night, no telling what other damage may have occurred, or when it would have been extricated!
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And I will close this thread with a couple of shots of the broken frame, and a short video.
Broken LS 3039 Frame (https://youtu.be/GXuRyLjt2j8)
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I don't think Andy and Barney ever had that kind of problems living in Mayberry. You might need to call Goober.
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Since the frame is basically bolted together, are you going to be able just replace the part that is broken or weld the break? Mines a bit different (smaller) but it's multiple parts that are just bolted together.
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If I had someone to say do X, now do Y, etc...I could probably do it...This will have to be done by the pros!
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Just how much of that frame goes past the 3 bolts in the blue section?
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Probably only 2 to 2 1/2 feet. The battery is at the front, followed by the radiator, faring and fan, and that is about it. But I am not real good at the mechanical stuff!
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Now you see why a Lincoln tombstone welder can be found in almost every farmers barn. The break can probably be welded by a pro that really knows what he is doing.
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If my Uncle Ed was still alive, I am pretty sure I would have at leased tried to fix this. He would have known exactly what to do, he would have coached me, and it would have gotten done...and you are right, even though I don't think it is a Lincoln, we might have even used this!
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That's probably a Miller being that it's blue. If you were closer I'd weld it up for you with 7018 rods a good prep. I'll see if I have a pic of my old Lincoln tombstone.
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It is a Kelly Green, not sure what it is, not a Miller though, I have a small one of those! Before I went up to take the picture I was sure it was a Lincoln, but I will have to see if I can find some markings next time I am up there!
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Turn up the heat to make sure you get good penetration on the weld.
Z
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Saw this and thought of Bentley. Happens to the best of them. :rotf:
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Yeah, he buried the front of his pretty good too! Well mine is in the shop, and hopefully will be home in about 2 more weeks!
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Not to bring up a sore subject, but how did this end?
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I though I updated this, must have been Facebook, $4200 and 5 weeks later it was fixed and it's running good. So hot, dry and nasty here, has really been no need to get on it. If I can get motivated, I will go mow the pond and show a few photos of how dry it is right now.
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I though I updated this, must have been Facebook, $4200 and 5 weeks later it was fixed and it's running good. So hot, dry and nasty here, has really been no need to get on it. If I can get motivated, I will go mow the pond and show a few photos of how dry it is right now.
Wow!! ??? Sorry to hear that.