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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Food Related => Topic started by: Canadian John on September 23, 2019, 10:42:48 AM
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This seems to be catching on big time. Yes I have tried it, @ A+W. Was it good? Yes. Better than beef? No.. A close look at all the "processed" ingredients has turned me off..Will this fad last??
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I am amazed that people will pay a premium for "organic" food. If they can get the price point down for the average guy, I am not talking Cheap Screw pricing for guys like me, but Average Joe, I think it might catch on.
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I think I would try it just to say I did, however at least at this point, I don't see it replacing ground beef for us.
And the ones I have seen (uncooked, not in restaurants) are real pricey, another reason to forego it.
I still also can remember eating a veggie burger and that was awful, it was a long time ago but Yuck!
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The Impossible Burger at Burger King was better then the patties we cooked of the Beyond Meat.
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I thought the beef industry sued and won a case where they could not use the term "meat" in their labeling. Is "meatier" not considered the same terminology as "meat"? Saw this in a meat case at Safeway a while back. My first experience with a veggie burger was with a college buddy of mine at some eatery in Oregon. I was eating it and exclaimed probably louder than necessary "man I feel so much more healthy now". I'm sure some sort of alcohol was involved.
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RethinnkX is an independent think tank that analyzes and forecasts the scope, speed, and scale of technology-driven disruption and its implications across society. Their recent report, Rethinking Food and Agriculture 2020-2030‚ The Second Domestication of Plants and Animals, the Disruption of the Cow, and the Collapse of Industrial Livestock Farming, forecasts that by 2030 the dairy and cattle industries will have collapsed as animal-derived foods are replaced by modern equivalents that are higher quality and cost less than half as much to produce.
They opine that the industrial livestock industry is one of the oldest, largest, and most inefficient food-production systems in the world. By 2023 or 25, precision fermentation (PF), a process that enables the programming of micro-organisms to produce almost any complex organic molecule, will be efficient enough to produce proteins at 20% of today’s costs of traditional animal proteins.
RethinnkX projects that PF production systems have the potential to spur fast development and improvement of products that are ever cheaper and superior, more nutritious, healthier, better tasting, more convenient, and more varied. Competitors are expected to evolve to drive end-user prices down. The cost to produce modern foods and products are expected to be at least 50% and as much as 80% lower than the animal products they replace, which will translate into substantially lower prices.
So…there you have it. No more leather.
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I think they underestimate the stubbornness of the average male. You can make a perfect robot car. I prefer to drive myself, I actually enjoy it. Maybe someday they can make bacon and brisket out of kale. I prefer to eat the real thing. I'm "only" 45 guys. This transition isn't going to fully happen with guys like me around. Certainly not in the next two decades.
DK
PS the middle ground might look something more like recreational vehicles. If I choose to drive my own vehicle where the entire network is self driving, then I'll pay a premium and probably have to get a more stringent license and pay an exorbitant insurance like a classic car. Regular beef would become a delicacy with exorbitant prices. I don't see myself changing. I don't think I'm in a tiny minority.
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and yes we need to be pretty darn clear on what we are talking about, and what we are consuming.
Meat is animal flesh that is eaten as food. Humans have hunted and killed animals for meat since prehistoric times. The advent of civilization allowed the domestication of animals such as chickens, sheep, rabbits, pigs and cattle. Wikipedia
There is no beyond meat, it's not meat (I mean that in the most polite sense, but it's just a definition). It's still hung up in the courts as far as I've read.
DK
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RethinnkX is an independent think tank that analyzes and forecasts the scope, speed, and scale of technology-driven disruption and its implications across society. Their recent report, Rethinking Food and Agriculture 2020-2030‚ The Second Domestication of Plants and Animals, the Disruption of the Cow, and the Collapse of Industrial Livestock Farming, forecasts that by 2030 the dairy and cattle industries will have collapsed as animal-derived foods are replaced by modern equivalents that are higher quality and cost less than half as much to produce.
They opine that the industrial livestock industry is one of the oldest, largest, and most inefficient food-production systems in the world. By 2023 or 25, precision fermentation (PF), a process that enables the programming of micro-organisms to produce almost any complex organic molecule, will be efficient enough to produce proteins at 20% of today’s costs of traditional animal proteins.
RethinnkX projects that PF production systems have the potential to spur fast development and improvement of products that are ever cheaper and superior, more nutritious, healthier, better tasting, more convenient, and more varied. Competitors are expected to evolve to drive end-user prices down. The cost to produce modern foods and products are expected to be at least 50% and as much as 80% lower than the animal products they replace, which will translate into substantially lower prices.
So…there you have it. No more leather.
Does that mean we will see, beyond belts-beyond billfolds & beyond boots. Next it’ll be beyond buns for the burgers. Somehow this sounds worse than the occasional E-coli outbreak. I am too old school for stuff like this. Time will tell I presume.
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and yes we need to be pretty darn clear on what we are talking about, and what we are consuming.
Meat is animal flesh that is eaten as food. Humans have hunted and killed animals for meat since prehistoric times. The advent of civilization allowed the domestication of animals such as chickens, sheep, rabbits, pigs and cattle. Wikipedia
There is no beyond meat, it's not meat (I mean that in the most polite sense, but it's just a definition). It's still hung up in the courts as far as I've read.
IDK, the flesh of many fruits and vegetables has been called meat for many years. I wonder how the OED defines it.
The dairy industry has to accept the various animal milk substitutes; almond milk, cocoanut coconut milk...
If I were on the jury I'd tell the animal processing industry to pound sand.
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It is why I ate so many twinkies and ho-hos as a college kid. I have no hope of living to see Star Trek meal replicators. :pig:
Interesting concept though -- cheaper food, do we see decreases or increases in population?
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Make it taste (I will even take very close) as good as, make it healthier, and sell it to me for half the cost now and I am in. I have been told the dairy industry is way down due to younger folks simply not drinking it and moms dont care.
I cant see ever replacing a tri-tip or rib-eye with processed, but who knows. What I can see happening is this plant based does become popular and forces beef into a niche market where hamburger is $25/lb and a steak is $100...Then my beef days really are over.
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Curious how much one of these burgers cost at a fast food joint.
Googling the bulk or the patties of them they are between 25 & 28 dollars a pound, they have to be more expensive than traditional I would think based on that.
I can only find the burger listed at BK but no price.
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The BK Impossible burger was like $5.79 and the combo meal about $8+ here in Mayberry!
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At our local BK, the Impossible Burger/Whopper is a dollar more than the original Whopper.
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What I can see happening is this plant based does become popular and forces beef into a niche market where hamburger is $25/lb and a steak is $100...Then my beef days really are over.
I don't think you have anything to worry about. Apparently even the manufacturers are saying that this stuff shouldn't be eaten every day, not good for your body to over do it.
They are suggesting once or twice a week.
Of course future products may be another story.
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Been researching the livestock production and alternative meat industries. Some interesting “Findsâ€â€”
- Ground beef makes up 60 percent of beef sales.
- Beef is the most wasteful food on the planet. It takes 36,000 calories of feed to produce 1,000 calories of beef. In the process, it uses more than 430 gallons of water and 1,500 square feet of land, and it generates nearly ten kilograms of greenhouse-gas emissions.
- In comparison, Impossible Burger, one alt-meat producer, uses 87 percent less water, 96 percent less land, and produces 89 percent fewer greenhouse-gas emissions.
- Alt-meat has the same amount of protein as ground beef (about 20 grams per quarter-pound serving) and less fat.
- National alt-meat purveyors: Carl’s Jr., A&W, Del Taco, Food Lion supermarket, Safeway, White Castle and Burger King (the second-largest fast-food chain in the world).
- Beyond Meat’s products are in 15,000 grocery stores in the U.S. On May 2, it held its IPO, offering stock at $25, which turned out to be a wild underestimation of what investors thought the company was worth. It immediately leaped to $46 and closed the day at $65.75.
- The two leading alt-meat producers have different approaches. Beyond Meat uses pea protein, while Impossible Foods uses soy. Beyond gets its bloody color from beet juice; Impossible uses heme‚ the same molecule that makes our blood red‚ to achieve its meaty color and flavor.
- Focus group taste tests show that the Impossible Burger is incredible, the Beyond Burger is okay.
- Recent news—Whole Foods just announced it will start selling burgers from the UK-based startup the Meatless Farm in all of its stores. Nestle is launching its Awesome Burger this fall. Tyson Foods, America’s largest meat producer, just debuted its own plant-based nuggets, with more products to come.
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And there right, the Impossible burger was much better then the beyond meat patty we had. I see McDonalds just agreed to try the Beyond Meat PLT in Southern Ontario markets. Good luck, you better contact Impossible if you want sales!
- Focus group taste tests show that the Impossible Burger is incredible, the Beyond Burger is okay.
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Been researching the livestock production and alternative meat industries. Some interesting “Findsâ€â€”
- Ground beef makes up 60 percent of beef sales.
- Beef is the most wasteful food on the planet. It takes 36,000 calories of feed to produce 1,000 calories of beef. In the process, it uses more than 430 gallons of water and 1,500 square feet of land, and it generates nearly ten kilograms of greenhouse-gas emissions.
- In comparison, Impossible Burger, one alt-meat producer, uses 87 percent less water, 96 percent less land, and produces 89 percent fewer greenhouse-gas emissions.
- Alt-meat has the same amount of protein as ground beef (about 20 grams per quarter-pound serving) and less fat.
- National alt-meat purveyors: Carl’s Jr., A&W, Del Taco, Food Lion supermarket, Safeway, White Castle and Burger King (the second-largest fast-food chain in the world).
- Beyond Meat’s products are in 15,000 grocery stores in the U.S. On May 2, it held its IPO, offering stock at $25, which turned out to be a wild underestimation of what investors thought the company was worth. It immediately leaped to $46 and closed the day at $65.75.
- The two leading alt-meat producers have different approaches. Beyond Meat uses pea protein, while Impossible Foods uses soy. Beyond gets its bloody color from beet juice; Impossible uses heme‚ the same molecule that makes our blood red‚ to achieve its meaty color and flavor.
- Focus group taste tests show that the Impossible Burger is incredible, the Beyond Burger is okay.
- Recent news—Whole Foods just announced it will start selling burgers from the UK-based startup the Meatless Farm in all of its stores. Nestle is launching its Awesome Burger this fall. Tyson Foods, America’s largest meat producer, just debuted its own plant-based nuggets, with more products to come.
Thanks Paul for the detailed research..Times are a changing.
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Hmmm, not the way I thought this discussion would go....
My 2 cents:
I regularly cook vege sausages, alt-meat patties, and pulled jackfruit, but they’re not for me. They just make it easier for me to cook the way I want (smoke/grill) and cater for people who don’t eat meat.
Also don’t forget that that fungus-based mycoproteins, lab-cultured tissue, and insect-based proteins are next.
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And to add: The new Government of Canada Food guide is leaning heavily from less red meat and dairy to more veg, poultry and fish.. My take is environmental impact. See pmillens post above.
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I would think if it became a big market it would be great for farmers. Not sure if I posted it on here, maybe when we did the Beyond Meat thread. That some farmers in Eastern Washington had switched from wheat to chickpea, as hummus has become so popular. And i found out that India grows more chick peas then the rest of the world combined!
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This is all well and good.
But if you come over here for dinner, plan on me digging out the ribeyes & strip steaks.
& yes we can have some smashed veggies (potatoes).
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This is all well and good.
But if you come over here for dinner, plan on me digging out the ribeyes & strip steaks.
& yes we can have some smashed veggies (potatoes).
I am on the way Troop'
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I enjoy veggie burgers that actually taste like veggies. We get some spicy black bean burgers that we have on a regular basis. I have no interest in trying a burger made from vegetables that is made to taste like meat. I can’t imagine a world without cows. That would mean most cheeses would be gone. No more ice cream and gelato! And that’s on top of no beef burgers, stakes, roasts, stews. That’s not a world I would want to live in. Luckily, I doubt I am still around in 2030.
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I am amazed that people will pay a premium for "organic" food. If they can get the price point down for the average guy, I am not talking Cheap Screw pricing for guys like me, but Average Joe, I think it might catch on.
I have come to the conclusion that the term "organic" when placed on food, means "double the price" for no good reason. In particular, I find much of the organic stuff is not as good as--. Also, I would rather have man made fertilizers and such used than processed fertilizer if that is the case. :2cents:
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From what I have read, they are loaded with sodium... and/or not actually any healthier than beef. But then, if saving the environment is what your after , maybe worth it???