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Buttons starting to fail
« on: November 17, 2020, 07:41:50 AM »

Appears the contact behind the membrane plate is beginning to fail on my firecraft.

The top buttons work, but the lower buttons (lower temp, pellet prime) do not.

Didn't know if anyone had a fix on this.
Debating how much money to throw at this grill.
It's been good so far but getting it up to temp on cold days has taken more time.

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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2020, 08:22:34 AM »

This brand seems to be a cold topic on this site lately as several members are either trying to fix one they got for dirt cheap or are willing to give theirs away for free as they are tired of dealing with igniter and controller issues.
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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2020, 09:02:48 AM »

The body of it is in fine shape, and my heating element was easy to change out once diagnosed.

I'm just not thrilled about possibly messing with a controller and figuring out how to install it, wire it, etc., only to have issues later.
But if it fixes it and lasts another 3 years it won't be horrible.

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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2020, 09:43:40 AM »

I decided to purchase a cheap 50125-AMP controller to try messing with it.
Included the LG wiring hardness, so this will set me back about $100.

Worth a try to get 3 more years out of it.
I'll have to figure out the wiring and settings, but instructions for programming the controller are included.

We'll see how it goes!

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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2020, 10:47:31 AM »

 
 That sounds interesting. It's nice to see someone fixing things in our throwaway world.. Please keep us posted.
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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2020, 10:58:38 AM »

Wouldn't it easier to revert to a non-pid controller like the Ortech? Takes away the programming issues.
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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2020, 11:32:15 AM »

I thought there were a few members on here that used a rec tec or a Blaz'n controller to swap out?
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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2020, 01:28:17 PM »

A pretty much drop-in controller would be the Louisiana Grills Digital Control Center.

The only caution would be you would need to look at the C settings on the Firecraft controller and then change them on the new controller to match.
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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2020, 02:13:30 PM »

I thought there were a few members on here that used a rec tec or a Blaz'n controller to swap out?

I have a RecTec WiFi controller in mine.  It worked great for a couple of years, but then I started to have temperature control problems.  Even when set to Low, the temperature would race out of control and be well over 300.  The controller reading that temperature and confirmed with a remote temperature probe.  I tried adjusting the feed rate setting, and another setting (maybe a delay) on the controller but it didn't help.  This problem seemed to go away with the summer weather.  In the end, I decided to stop throwing time and money at a problem that might never have a full resolution.

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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2020, 07:24:34 PM »

A pretty much drop-in controller would be the Louisiana Grills Digital Control Center.

The only caution would be you would need to look at the C settings on the Firecraft controller and then change them on the new controller to match.

I got the knock-off Louisiana Controller 50125.
A google search for "50125-AMP" will get people to what I'm looking at.

It arrived today. The holes don't match up so I had to add a hole with the drill to the left, but I now have it mounted.
I'm glad I got the wiring harness.  I'm not in the midst of matching up the wires.

On the firecraft, half the hardness is a common neutral wire with about 4 connectors on it.  I took pictures before taking everything apart and found instructions online for the new one on what each should do. 

Again, all the whites are neutral, so that makes things a bit easier.  I have to cut off some of the existing connectors and put on new.  The connectors I have don't have insulated ends, so I need to change a couple out. Probably a run to the store in the AM.

I'll have to figure out the coding. I found the instructions for the Louisiana controller, but I have no idea what the original firecraft setting were.

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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2020, 08:02:35 AM »


 You may already have this:  https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1723/1387/files/50125-instructions.pdf..  If not, it may help.
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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2020, 11:21:56 AM »

Thanks.
I was just printing this as I figured I'd provide an update.

Mine new controller is a "375" setpoint.
I don't know what most of these settings are actually for but it appears the important ones that vary are:

6
9
I
L
and P


I think I'll try the Generation 2 levels as they are and see if grill gets too hot from there.
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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2020, 11:48:26 AM »

I tried to get into the settings and so far was unsuccessful.

At one point I got a letter "F" and that was it, and buttons seemed unresponsive after that.
I'm now just doing a test run with it.

Setting the temp for 350 or 375 and going to see how it works. Maybe it will work pretty well.

I noticed, contrary to the instructions, mine has blue LED lights instead of the grey/black numbers on the LED readout.

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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2020, 10:56:01 AM »

So far I've been running the new controller at it's factory settings.

It gets to 325 okay, but it doesn't seem to want to get to warmer temperatures as it's currently programmed.
So far it also seems to lag with getting back up to temp after I open the hood to check on things.

Sent a request for technical support from the place I bought it from to see if they have tips on programming.
We'll see if I get some update info there.

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Re: Buttons starting to fail
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2020, 06:05:13 PM »

So far I've been running the new controller at it's factory settings.

It gets to 325 okay, but it doesn't seem to want to get to warmer temperatures as it's currently programmed.
So far it also seems to lag with getting back up to temp after I open the hood to check on things.

Sent a request for technical support from the place I bought it from to see if they have tips on programming.
We'll see if I get some update info there.

Just an update for those following along.
I reached out to support and they are saying the controllers are no longer programmable. So I guess I'll throw a blanket on the grill and see if I can hit those temperatures in this colder climate that way.

I'm going to use it tomorrow for the turkey. Going to go 300-325 for 3 hours or so.  We'll see how she does.

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