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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Non food Related => Topic started by: Kristin Meredith on January 26, 2018, 03:34:52 PM

Title: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Kristin Meredith on January 26, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
                                                                      THIS IS IT!!!!!!!!

We are embarking on an exciting first for Pelletfan -- the purchase of a pizza pellet oven by the members which will be performance tested and then distributed to one lucky participating member.  Looking forward to seeing how this works out.

THE RULES

1. Anyone wanting to participate must purchase a ticket.  One ticket costs 10 dollars.
2. There will be a total of 40 tickets sold.
3. Tickets will be sold in the following sequence:
    -- 2 weeks of offering one ticket per person.
    -- Thereafter one week of up to two tickets per person.
    -- If needed, 3 tickets per person for a week. So max of 3 tickets per person.
4. Total 4 weeks with layout above.
5. When a ticket is purchased, the member will be given a number which will be their number for the product drawing. If it
     gets to where two tickets are purchased, a second number will be assigned to the second ticket.
6. The date of the product drawing will be announced a few days in advance and will be stream lived so that those interested
     can watch the proceedings.  Bentley and I will run the drawing.  Neither of us nor any family member will purchase a ticket.

Once we reach the goal of 40 tickets sold, it's closed.  The Uuni will then be bought and tested with distribution to one subscriber to follow once testing is finished.

If we do not reach 40 tickets in 4 weeks, all ticket monies will be refunded.

FMT will post a link to PayPal which will be used for ticket purchases.  Please give him the opportunity to post that link before anyone makes any comments or asks a question.

A big thanks to those of you who came up with and supported this idea and even bigger thanks to FMT for handling the financials.  New methods and avenues are so exciting to try!
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 26, 2018, 04:53:08 PM
This link automatically puts in a 10 dollar purchase price. Once received I will keep a running tally with assigned number for the drawing. Please only purchase one ticket for the initial 2 week period. Unnecessary fees will be incurred by me if people try to buy more than 1 entry


Make sure to include your pelletfan handle on the secondary address line. Otherwise, I have no name to match to the email address.

Have fun. Let's get this thing going...

1.) Fire708
2.) Wipellethead
3.) yorkdude
4.) sschorr
5.) Just David
6.) Mrhdvrod
7.) hokiepop
8.) Skyking
9.) W6YJ
10.) MSOLSON
11.) BigDave83
12.) Goosehunter51
13.) MysticRhythms
14.) GrillinGlen
15.) cookingjnj
16.) Bar-B-Lew
17.) slaga
18.) gtsum2
19.) Osborn Cox
20.) BeerBeerQue
21.) MP09
22.) ml504
23.) Chashub
24.) jdmessner
25.) mattcotool
26.) DE
27.) glitchy
28.) Ckoss
29.) TechMOGogy
30.) Michael_NW
31.) pdf256
32.) Timbo1010
33.)  Mudflap
34.) reubenray
35.) Rydes84
36.) Free Mr. Tony
37.) Peterwoody
38.) rfinley
39.) MadFoodScientist
40.) RobertG

Closed!




Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: glitchy on January 26, 2018, 05:33:51 PM
Make sure to include your pelletfan handle on the comment section. Otherwise, I have no name to match to the email address.

I tried to purchase, but I could not find the comment section on the form that was created. Tried on both iPad and laptop and not seeing it. When someone points me to where it is, I'll probably want to smack myself in the head...so if someone has completed a purchase already, please let me know where to look closer.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 26, 2018, 05:44:01 PM
Make sure to include your pelletfan handle on the comment section. Otherwise, I have no name to match to the email address.

I tried to purchase, but I could not find the comment section on the form that was created. Tried on both iPad and laptop and not seeing it. When someone points me to where it is, I'll probably want to smack myself in the head...so if someone has completed a purchase already, please let me know where to look closer.

When fire sent me his he added a comment but that was prior to me setting up the business account. Kristen did a test where I could see her address. Maybe try putting in on the "apt" line on the second address spot. Go ahead and send it, and we can get it figured out. I will Pm you after if needed.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: yorkdude on January 26, 2018, 05:54:31 PM
I also just paid and did not see it? Is there a way to correct it now? Mine will be easy, You will see a familiar name in my email. Thanks to all
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: WiPelletHead on January 26, 2018, 05:56:03 PM
Using the Apt line worked for me. I did have to create a new ship to address as I wan't able to edit the one I had.

Looking forward to Bentley getting going on this.

 :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 26, 2018, 06:00:26 PM
Yorkdude and sschorr, you guys are good. Since it was the first couple I could decipher.

Using the Apt line worked for me. I did have to create a new ship to address as I wan't able to edit the one I had.

Looking forward to Bentley getting going on this.

 :clap: :clap:

Yes. This worked well on my end,  but if someone has an easier way just say so. Anyway I can figure out who is who.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Mrhdvrod on January 26, 2018, 06:23:58 PM
Paid!
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: hokiepop on January 26, 2018, 06:50:46 PM
I also messed up and did not put my handle on the PayPal payment-payment was sent directly from my PayPal account.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bobitis on January 26, 2018, 07:43:26 PM
Ok... Really stoopid question...

Say I bought a ticket on day 1. After two weeks, can I buy 2 more if the total hasn't been met? Or does my prior purchase exempt me from the two week level? Same for week 3.

I apologize for my ignorance.  :-[

Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: W6YJ on January 26, 2018, 07:45:15 PM
Add me to the list of people who saw FMT's link and couldn't find a memo link while on PayPal.

Ed
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: yorkdude on January 26, 2018, 07:55:43 PM
Fun stuff, thanks again to all
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Kristin Meredith on January 26, 2018, 07:56:26 PM
Ok... Really stoopid question...

Say I bought a ticket on day 1. After two weeks, can I buy 2 more if the total hasn't been met? Or does my prior purchase exempt me from the two week level? Same for week 3.

I apologize for my ignorance.  :-[

After two weeks, if not all are sold, then anyone who has one ticket can purchase a second ticket for a total of 2 tickets.  At the end of that week, if any tickets left, anyone with two tickets can purchase a third ticket for a total of 3 tickets.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bobitis on January 26, 2018, 08:00:24 PM
Thanks. For all the edjumukashun I've had, I couldn't put it together.  ::)
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 26, 2018, 08:24:29 PM
1/4 of the way there already. Keep it rolling.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bentley on January 26, 2018, 08:47:58 PM
Are there any Golden tickets?
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Goosehunter51 on January 26, 2018, 09:35:31 PM
All paid up, I am in.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 26, 2018, 09:39:31 PM
Are there any Golden tickets?

The next reply was goosehunter. I guess that's the golden goose ticket you were asking about.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: MysticRhythms on January 26, 2018, 09:40:08 PM
FMT-
I too did not have anywhere to comment.
Ken Bester
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Goosehunter51 on January 26, 2018, 09:48:11 PM
Are there any Golden tickets?

The next reply was goosehunter. I guess that's the golden goose ticket you were asking about.

I have a Golden Ticket, watch out Willy
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: GrillinGlen on January 26, 2018, 09:50:19 PM
I paid, let me know if you need info to find me
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 26, 2018, 10:04:04 PM
Just so everyone is aware, the numbers are in order by when the payment comes through. Maybe that is obvious, but if not that is how the numbers are being assigned.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: cookingjnj on January 26, 2018, 11:46:24 PM
Hey FMT....thanks to you, Bent and Kristin for getting this together.  I was in from the beginning and now PAID!  I was not able to provide a "comments" to give you my PelletFan name, but it will be pretty clear from my email name provided.  Looking forward to seeing the Uuni3 testing. 
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bentley on January 27, 2018, 12:24:35 AM
I guess my time is coming, but the setup and everything to this point...That is all Kristin and FMT!

Hey FMT....thanks to you, Bent and Kristin for getting this together.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: slaga on January 27, 2018, 02:39:33 AM
I was travelling today and forgot to check on this until now. Ticket purchased. Thank you Kristin, Bentley and FMT for taking this on. I will order more tickets when I am allowed.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: slaga on January 27, 2018, 02:54:29 AM

After two weeks, if not all are sold, then anyone who has one ticket can purchase a second ticket for a total of 2 tickets.  At the end of that week, if any tickets left, anyone with two tickets can purchase a third ticket for a total of 3 tickets.
On future raffles, I suggest letting people order as many tickets as they want at some point. By week 3, you have done your due diligence in letting anyone that wanted to participate, participate. Thanks again. I am hoping this is not a 1 and done process.

I messed up the quote I was trying to make earlier and edited it to what I meant.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 27, 2018, 06:55:30 AM
Slaga,

The structure could be changed at anytime for future offerings. I think we will really be able to learn from how this one goes. The site is so small right now, you would have to assume that virtually the same people would participate in the same manner on any drawing. The only variable being the item, but all of our common interest would probably make the item even somewhat less variable. So, yes once we know the speed with which these things happen we definitely could switch things up.

It's went basically as I thought it would so far. A fire sale to begin, and then I see a dry spell after that coming. I just didn't want to make it too fast for the people that maybe only get on once a week or something.

If the site grows, I see real potential in this. Grills aren't cheap, and there is a limit to what people will spend on a single ticket. So you either have to have alot of people, or bigger per ticket money. I do think unlimited tickets on a grill would have to be an option to sell them out. I just think on something like this, unlimited wasn't the best option since its a relatively small amount of tickets sold. We can crowd source alot more opinions after this one. I was just happy to see this move forward so quickly.

Thanks for entering.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on January 27, 2018, 08:48:11 AM
45% there....I imagine more will see the post this weekend and get this close to a sellout
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 27, 2018, 10:20:50 AM
Halfway to pay dirt.

(https://i.imgur.com/iv31Pyil.png)

Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: MP09 on January 27, 2018, 10:37:49 AM
Followed the link no problem. Since this is the first and hopefully not the last drawing on a tested item, the minor hick ups that some members are experiencing can be worked out.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Chashub on January 27, 2018, 12:31:26 PM
I’m in! I think!
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: DE on January 27, 2018, 02:33:44 PM
I'm in as well, as with others no option to put in Comment's

DE=Doug Etheridge

Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Ckoss on January 27, 2018, 02:39:10 PM
I’m in. I did not have anywhere to comment.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 27, 2018, 02:52:09 PM
Tickets seem to be going in groups. Get in while you can.

Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Michael_NW on January 27, 2018, 06:55:29 PM
Done, though no comment.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bentley on January 27, 2018, 06:57:56 PM
24 hours...would never have believed it.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on January 27, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
FMT, when are you paying your $10 to get in on this as I don't see your name on the list?
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 27, 2018, 07:07:14 PM
FMT, when are you paying your $10 to get in on this as I don't see your name on the list?

As fast as they are going, I was just waiting to see if it filled up without me. If we can sell 40 tickets that quickly, I'm happy to let someone else have a shot. If it slows down and we need a filler, I'll definitely be in.

As fast as the money is rolling in, I may just go buy a
yacht used moped, and never be heard from again.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: WiPelletHead on January 27, 2018, 07:10:05 PM
Done, though no comment.

For others, just create a new shipping address. That way you can enter your handle in the address field. Won't hurt any thing as it's not being used to ship to.

And it makes it easier for FMT.

Looks like this will be a 1 ticket only the way it's going.

Worth the money for the price of admission to me.

BTY. I think FMT should get in on this. With his cooking skills, I'm sure he would put it to good use.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 27, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Done, though no comment.

For others, just create a new shipping address. That way you can enter your handle in the address field. Won't hurt any thing as it's not being used to ship to.

And it makes it easier for FMT.

Looks like this will be a 1 ticket only the way it's going.

Worth the money for the price of admission to me.

BTY. I think FMT should get in on this. With his cooking skills, I'm sure he would put it to good use.

Never know. May get that 39th entry, and then I sneak in to close it out.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: cookingjnj on January 27, 2018, 09:32:26 PM
You really need to get in FMT.  That way we will all then know you wont be fleeing us on that "used moped".  Hahaha.  Thanks for the chuckle!  Seriously, you should get in too.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Fire708 on January 27, 2018, 10:25:20 PM
Ooooooooo, I’m excited!   :cool:
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Timbo1010 on January 28, 2018, 12:28:01 AM
I'm in but couldn't add handle
Timbo1010 is Tritter1010@
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Mudflap on January 28, 2018, 01:59:26 AM
Sent hope it worked :cool: :cool: :beer:
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: reubenray on January 28, 2018, 07:53:08 AM
I just sent in my payment, but I could not put my user name anywhere.  I am the one from Elberta, Alabama.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 28, 2018, 08:25:29 AM
5 left for those that are sleeping.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Rydes84 on January 28, 2018, 08:26:17 AM
Used the APT line, excited to see this test!
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on January 28, 2018, 09:09:34 AM
I thought this had potential to end by the weekend.  I think it would be safe to get this baby ordered and on the way.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Kristin Meredith on January 28, 2018, 09:14:59 AM
The speed of the participation has surprised me!
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on January 28, 2018, 09:17:29 AM
The speed of the participation has surprised me!

Based on the pre-poll you did to assess interest, I am not surprised.  I would recommend doing the pre-poll again in advance to bring awareness for a few weeks prior to launching the raffle/auction on the next item.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: pdf256 on January 28, 2018, 10:55:14 AM
I can't speak for others, but one of the main reasons I jumped in was to support the site.  Helping to pay for an item to get reviewed just seems like the right thing to do!

And if I win it, so much the better.  :P
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: yorkdude on January 28, 2018, 01:35:28 PM
FMT, please jump in, we all win if you win this.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on January 28, 2018, 01:58:30 PM
FMT, please jump in, we all win if you win this.

+1
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 28, 2018, 02:39:41 PM
I will, but everyone will have to live with this one caveat. If by some strange chance I win, I will use it for a couple months. Then, when spring rolls around and everyone has BBQ/outdoor fever I will pick from the same list randomly, and ship it to them.

It's the only way I can feel right about it.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on January 28, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
I don't think you need to do that, but if that's what gets you in the game then I am fine with it.  We would learn a lot from you while you have it should you win.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: DE on January 28, 2018, 02:59:14 PM
I will, but everyone will have to live with this one caveat. If by some strange chance I win, I will use it for a couple months. Then, when spring rolls around and everyone has BBQ/outdoor fever I will pick from the same list randomly, and ship it to them.

It's the only way I can feel right about it.

Happy and Thankful to see your in FMT. Look at it from a different perspective and you will see it the way the rest of us do, "if you win, you win (PERIOD),  you have a number just as everyone else does that participates. The only thing different about you is your putting in a lot of commitment in this for the rest of us to benefit from. Thank you for that! Now if you win 10 in a row or something, then look over your shoulder for Vito who might be there.lol. Thanks for your heart in this but relax and don't fear what ain't there.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bentley on January 28, 2018, 03:51:22 PM
These is not a reason to give it to someone else if you win...but don't you have a Blackstone?
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 28, 2018, 04:01:53 PM
These is not a reason to give it to someone else if you win...but don't you have a Blackstone?

Yes, and I know I'm being over sensitive on this. Chances are,  no one will have to worry about it as someone else most likely will have it. We can cross that bridge when it comes.

Let's get these last few sold...
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Peterwoody on January 28, 2018, 04:44:42 PM
Sent in my $10 but couldn't see where to put my forum handle. It should be obvious to you.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Kristin Meredith on January 28, 2018, 06:51:29 PM
About 48 hours and only 3 tickets left.  Much faster than I anticipated.  If those tickets don't go in the next 2-3 days, may have to move the deadline for buying a second ticket up because this seems like a crowd wanting to move!!!
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 28, 2018, 06:58:49 PM
About 48 hours and only 3 tickets left.  Much faster than I anticipated.  If those tickets don't go in the next 2-3 days, may have to move the deadline for buying a second ticket up because this seems like a crowd wanting to move!!!

Yeah. I agree. I figured the first half would go like crazy then the 2nd half would take awhile. May have a few get on tomorrow that don't get on over the weekend.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: yorkdude on January 28, 2018, 07:06:10 PM
I don't think you need to do that, but if that's what gets you in the game then I am fine with it.  We would learn a lot from you while you have it should you win.
Yep.
Come on now!

Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Bar-B-Lew on January 28, 2018, 09:56:06 PM
where are those last 3 buyers?
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: MadFoodScientist on January 29, 2018, 07:44:03 AM
I just sent my 10 dollars. I put my handle as the apartment.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 29, 2018, 07:44:37 AM
One left.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: yorkdude on January 29, 2018, 08:19:02 AM
FMT can I buy your ticket? Would that make it easier for you to do?
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Kristin Meredith on January 29, 2018, 08:21:15 AM
yorkdude, FMT bought one.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: yorkdude on January 29, 2018, 08:22:19 AM
Excellent, I guess I should have looked at the list.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Free Mr. Tony on January 29, 2018, 01:29:01 PM
We're all full. I'll get it ordered.
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: MadFoodScientist on January 29, 2018, 01:55:51 PM
Excellent!  I am glad I made it in!
Title: Re: Uuni 3 Pellet Pizza Oven Purchase, Testing and Drawing
Post by: Kristin Meredith on January 29, 2018, 03:03:01 PM
OK folks, I am locking the thread so no mistakes that this is closed and FMT could you delete the PayPal link?  There will be a new thread for the review when the pizza oven arrives sometime between Feb 5 and 9.  Then a whole different thread for the "product distribution"!