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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Non food Related => Topic started by: Jon515 on February 14, 2018, 11:12:27 PM
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Is it just me, or is anyone else sick and tired of being called names, shouted down or being accused of some sort of racism, sexism or some other ism for choosing not to swallow every pill people throw at you?
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I don’t have that problem, not present in my life.
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It seems to be the world we live in. The PC crowd preaches tolerance until you do not agree with them, then tolerance is thrown to the wind and an all out assault on your personal character begins. The goal being to silence those that do not think the same as them. Live and let live seems to have been replaced with agree with me or else I will ruin your life and try getting you fired from wherever you work.
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Truer words have never been spoken, all 5 of my children are on a different side of the political fence than I am, holding a conversation at family gatherings is like walking a tight rope.
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My Mom was a Republican and my Dad was a Democrat and there were many political debates at the dinner table -- but never a raised voice, no bad language, no personal insults. I think we all learned to think of it as a true mental exercise -- can I be articulate and intelligent enough and thoughtful and persuasive enough to woo the others to my side? I had to become a much better debater and I often had to rethink positions and re-examine my beliefs and arguments. Some beliefs became stronger as I thought about them, some were tossed aside as I realized they were not valid. Throughout my career, I could find the occasional colleague who shared that view of discourse and had some great discussions.
Is that a thing of the past? Maybe or maybe it could return if we all just put a little more effort into truly listening to the other side, trying to see their perspective, trying to get them to see our perspective -- and frankly, very nicely, but very firmly, calling out folks -- including the very top tiers of our government -- who veer from civil discourse on legitimate topics.
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My Mom was a Republican and my Dad was a Democrat and there were many political debates at the dinner table -- but never a raised voice, no bad language, no personal insults. I think we all learned to think of it as a true mental exercise -- can I be articulate and intelligent enough and thoughtful and persuasive enough to woo the others to my side? I had to become a much better debater and I often had to rethink positions and re-examine my beliefs and arguments. Some beliefs became stronger as I thought about them, some were tossed aside as I realized they were not valid. Throughout my career, I could find the occasional colleague who shared that view of discourse and had some great discussions.
Is that a thing of the past? Maybe or maybe it could return if we all just put a little more effort into truly listening to the other side, trying to see their perspective, trying to get them to see our perspective -- and frankly, very nicely, but very firmly, calling out folks -- including the very top tiers of our government -- who veer from civil discourse on legitimate topics.
I agree Kristen,
Back when we were growing up things just seemed more simple. We didn't have the world at out fingertips like we do today. We didn't have the Rush Limbaugh's, Sean Hanity's That shove their views down whoever throats that want to listen to them. I blame the divisiveness in today's society a lot on the media.
A couple weeks ago I had dinner with a friend who invited a local Talk Radio Host to dinner. I politely told him that I don't listen those type of radio shows to form my own opinions on political issues. I'm perfectly capable of forming my own. Even though we did have an interesting conversation that evening. He even invited me to call in to his show because "he likes the challenge" I have no time for such nonsense.
Everything today is about money. Not morals. They need to outlaw Lobbyist's, We got buy just fine without them. We need a lot less Rush & a lot more Paul Harvey!
Back in the Day the Vietnam War divided us as a Nation. The War ended & we found a way to get back to being one Nation. Hopefully someday we will find that path again.
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This is what I'm talking about, citing Hannity and Rush about decisiveness on two conservatives vs. entire networks seems to be a bit slanted. The left has pioneered the champion of acceptance unless you don't agree. I for one am frustrated with political correctness and being called names for not agreeing with progressives.
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This is what I'm talking about, citing Hannity and Rush about decisiveness on two conservatives vs. entire networks seems to be a bit slanted. The left has pioneered the champion of acceptance unless you don't agree. I for one am frustrated with political correctness and being called names for not agreeing with progressives.
The left vs the right. Perfect example. Thanks, nothing more needs said. It's not that simple.
Live your life upon your beliefs. Your small place in your community and your friends will keep you happy. Don't worry about the big picture, it doesn't matter. It really doesn't.
Turn off the TV or watch a comedy or some nature show. There are some decent cooking shows that don't have any news channels. Quit watching those, it will kill you. TV isn't good for you, and Facebook (I don't know why folks are addicted to it) is a outrageous silly story that will consume even smart reasonable folks. .
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This is what I'm talking about, citing Hannity and Rush about decisiveness on two conservatives vs. entire networks seems to be a bit slanted. The left has pioneered the champion of acceptance unless you don't agree. I for one am frustrated with political correctness and being called names for not agreeing with progressives.
The left vs the right. Perfect example. Thanks, nothing more needs said. It's not that simple.
Live your life upon your beliefs. Your small place in your community and your friends will keep you happy. Don't worry about the big picture, it doesn't matter. It really doesn't.
Turn off the TV or watch a comedy or some nature show. There are some decent cooking shows that don't have any news channels. Quit watching those, it will kill you. TV isn't good for you, and Facebook (I don't know why folks are addicted to it) is a outrageous silly story that will consume even smart reasonable folks. .
It is that simple. I do live my life based on my beliefs and I am tired of being called names for what I believe from the tolerant other side. For the record I don't use facebook for my own reasons, thanks for the assumption and proving exactly what frustrates me.
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Before the excessive yellow journalism and out right lying we respected philosophical difference as long as the differences were fact based. Now politics seem to be more cult like and overly divisive. Both parties have forced me to be an independent.
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I guess this has never bothered me...If I have no respect for someone or their views, I could careless what they call me or think of me, they are a non factor in my life!
I do live my life based on my beliefs and I am tired of being called names for what I believe from the tolerant other side.
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I agree with you on a personal level, in my opinion if someone can only call me names they don't have a lot to offer. I'm more concerned with the social movement that justifies their beliefs with name calling and made up labels that make any disagreement some form of discrimination. Maybe I'm paranoid, but to me in a Nation based on freedom I should be able to agree or disagree with something without social condemnation. Just sayin.
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I think the US goes through periods where we swing too far one way or another on social issues and simply can't find balance for periods of time. Perhaps it is because we let things get so far out of balance and so we have to go through some type of pendulum behavior.
For example, the Me Too (or whatever the name is) movement of women who claim harassment. Do I believe every woman who says she has been harassed has genuinely been harassed? No. Do I think there have been decades and decades where women in the workplace have been harassed -- and worse -- and it has been ignored? Yes, because I experienced it a few times. Do I think women should learn to deal with a lot of harassment issues (not violence) by themselves. Yes, I did and I can guarantee that in the couple of instances the men clearly understood not to try it again. (To me, a lot of harassment aimed at women in the workplace is as a controlling behavior and they have yet to figure that elemnet out. I think men in the workplace face controlling behavior also, but it takes a different form than sexual, so women put it down to sex and not control. We need to teach the difference). Do I think a lot of women are as "fierce" (what a nice word the one member used for me ;D) as me and as capable of handling things? No.
And I recognize that there are a lot of other social issues that face this same dilemma. So, I think there is a pent up dam of decades of emotion and anger coming out and we just need to let it subside and try and be civil in the interim and perhaps a bit more aware. We have gone through it before -- that is what McCarthyism was in the 50's.
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I guess this has never bothered me...If I have no respect for someone or their views, I could careless what they call me or think of me, they are a non factor in my life!
I do live my life based on my beliefs and I am tired of being called names for what I believe from the tolerant other side.
Exactly
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The most recent school shooting here in Florida resulted in immediate claims that the shooter was ISIS or Antifa right up until they found he was a member of a white supremacist group. There is no longer a willingness to wait for facts. Belief supporting memes are a way of life for many.
Apparently the facts have changed again and the white supremacist group had the wrong guy and it was not him. Got to love the 24 hour news cycle that rushes to be first to print anything. I blame the media for always trying place blame on a side they do not agree with with politically. Instead of waiting for facts to come and the process to work, everyone points fingers and turns it into a political circus instead of seeing it for what it is. A tragedy that was carried out by a mentally ill person.
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/
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I participate in several forums relating to a variety of subjects, BBQ, Dogs, Boating, Pellets, etc. Each of these forums have a common subject that all participants have an interest in and generally support its existence. The fact that they all agree on the main subject, does not mean that there is any resemblance of commonality among members on politics or religion. These subjects are personal/deeply held and various comments almost always result it animosity between the participants. For this reason, I would suggest that political discussions be held on forums dedicated to that subject and that are common to your point of view. :2cents:
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For this reason, I would suggest that political discussions be held on forums dedicated to that subject and that are common to your point of view. :2cents:
If you only discuss things where everyone shares your point of view will anything ever change?
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I know President Lincoln felt this way...I saw it in someones signature...
We have a lot of people who truly believe that if it's on the internet it must be true...
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Before the excessive yellow journalism and out right lying we respected philosophical difference as long as the differences were fact based. Now politics seem to be more cult like and overly divisive. Both parties have forced me to be an independent.
Bingo!
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Before the excessive yellow journalism and out right lying we respected philosophical difference as long as the differences were fact based. Now politics seem to be more cult like and overly divisive. Both parties have forced me to be an independent.
Bingo!
Been an Independent over 30 years. I wish there were no parties. I like to say US politics is nothing more than legalized gangs.
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Y'all should be grateful you don't live in Seattle/King County. >:(
The firmly entrenched liberals here want to tax everything in order to maintain 'safe injection' sites for heroin addicts. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
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I guess being a recovering alcoholic/addict I have no issues with that, just DO NOT USE my taxes on Naloxone. You wanna roll the dice go ahead, just don't expect me to pay for trying to save your life!
The firmly entrenched liberals here want to tax everything in order to maintain 'safe injection' sites for heroin addicts. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Is it just me, or is anyone else sick and tired of being called names, shouted down or being accused of some sort of racism, sexism or some other ism for choosing not to swallow every pill people throw at you?
It seems to be the world we live in. The PC crowd preaches tolerance until you do not agree with them, then tolerance is thrown to the wind and an all out assault on your personal character begins. The goal being to silence those that do not think the same as them. Live and let live seems to have been replaced with agree with me or else I will ruin your life and try getting you fired from wherever you work.
When dealing with the above, I fall back to a quote from Thomas Payne..
“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.â€
Simplified..
“To argue with a man or woman who has renounced the use of reason, is like administering medicine to the dead.â€
Hence.. I do not waste breath and brain cells when the conversation hits this type of 'brick wall'. (hard - one sided only)
I sometimes enjoy a lively debate on a conversation point, but when the comebacks resort to only personal attacks - I zip-it, move on and think of the Thomas Payne quote.. and move on..
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I guess being a recovering alcoholic/addict I have no issues with that, just DO NOT USE my taxes on Naloxone. You wanna roll the dice go ahead, just don't expect me to pay for trying to save your life!
The firmly entrenched liberals here want to tax everything in order to maintain 'safe injection' sites for heroin addicts. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Problem is... government doesn't exist without taxes. Your taxes WILL pay for it. What does the government produce that they can profit from? Nothing. Government consumes and redistributes as 'they' see fit.
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Problem is... government doesn't exist without taxes. Your taxes WILL pay for it. What does the government produce that they can profit from? Nothing. Government consumes and redistributes as 'they' see fit.
Sorry but do you think the Government should produce a product and sell it?
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Problem is... government doesn't exist without taxes. Your taxes WILL pay for it. What does the government produce that they can profit from? Nothing. Government consumes and redistributes as 'they' see fit.
Sorry but do you think the Government should produce a product and sell it?
They do...propaganda
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Problem is... government doesn't exist without taxes. Your taxes WILL pay for it. What does the government produce that they can profit from? Nothing. Government consumes and redistributes as 'they' see fit.
Sorry but do you think the Government should produce a product and sell it?
Government can't 'produce' anything for less than the public sector can. Why do government employees have unions? Because the government can't be trusted.
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Sorry for getting off track here...
At this point in time, I trust very few politicians. I firmly believe that public education, the msm, and social networking plays a huge role in this.
Before the WWW, we had to get our news from reading papers that actually did some research, and a handful of tv stations. Back in the day, folks mostly did some research for their own benefit. It actually took some effort, and we were better off for it.
Todays 'smart phone' is more powerful than the computers that put us on the moon. The advent of the WWW has made it far to easy for folks to just believe what they read/see. Few bother to actively explore any other side of an argument. 'If my friend posted it on face book, it must be true because he/she is my friend'. If the topic is posted long enough, it becomes gospel.
What our nation is experiencing today would never have crossed our minds 50 years ago. We had 30+ kids on a classroom and there was no free lunch program. You brought yer lunch or paid for it (no discounts for whatever reason). We had a rifle club at school that met every Friday at the metal shop classroom. I could ride my bike down main street with my .22 rifle strapped on the handle bars. No one blinked an eye. Heck, they probably wished they were going with me. We got hacked for being disruptive in school, and the schools made the parents aware of the transgression and the penalty. When we got home, we usually faced the same 'awakening'.
Today, PC has run amok. We enact laws for the benefit of .001% of our population. It's ok to disenfranchise 99.99% of the population now. Where I'm at, we will soon have the option of placing an x on the birth certificate instead of m or f. I kid you not. When the child gets old enough to figure out what they relate to, they can change it.
What happened in such a short amount of time to create the conditions we live in today? I would venture that personal accountability is right at the top of the list, followed closely by not holding folks responsible for lacking the concept.
Todays world is all about feelings in the US. 'You hurt my feelings'. 'You hurt mine first'. 'My feelings are more important than yours'...
Politics.
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Lots of interesting thoughts there. I wonder if it is the same in Canada, England, Australia, etc.
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And the people that put us on the moon used slide rules...SLIDE RULES for gosh sakes. If you gave me one, held a gun to my head and said show me how to get the square root of 229 or we will shoot you I would have a hole in my head. And that said computer at the time of the Eagle landing had a 1202 error code, to much info to process and yet Neil pulled it off!
Todays 'smart phone' is more powerful than the computers that put us on the moon.
I agree with some of the above, but it also remindes me of a quote I once saw. It was by a baseball player...to paraphrase...he said that todays players were just in it for the money, they had no love of the game or desire to play like him...the player below.
That was 1925 and the player was Ty Cobb.
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Sorry for getting off track here...
At this point in time, I trust very few politicians. I firmly believe that public education, the msm, and social networking plays a huge role in this.
Before the WWW, we had to get our news from reading papers that actually did some research, and a handful of tv stations. Back in the day, folks mostly did some research for their own benefit. It actually took some effort, and we were better off for it.
Todays 'smart phone' is more powerful than the computers that put us on the moon. The advent of the WWW has made it far to easy for folks to just believe what they read/see. Few bother to actively explore any other side of an argument. 'If my friend posted it on face book, it must be true because he/she is my friend'. If the topic is posted long enough, it becomes gospel.
What our nation is experiencing today would never have crossed our minds 50 years ago. We had 30+ kids on a classroom and there was no free lunch program. You brought yer lunch or paid for it (no discounts for whatever reason). We had a rifle club at school that met every Friday at the metal shop classroom. I could ride my bike down main street with my .22 rifle strapped on the handle bars. No one blinked an eye. Heck, they probably wished they were going with me. We got hacked for being disruptive in school, and the schools made the parents aware of the transgression and the penalty. When we got home, we usually faced the same 'awakening'.
Today, PC has run amok. We enact laws for the benefit of .001% of our population. It's ok to disenfranchise 99.99% of the population now. Where I'm at, we will soon have the option of placing an x on the birth certificate instead of m or f. I kid you not. When the child gets old enough to figure out what they relate to, they can change it.
What happened in such a short amount of time to create the conditions we live in today? I would venture that personal accountability is right at the top of the list, followed closely by not holding folks responsible for lacking the concept.
Todays world is all about feelings in the US. 'You hurt my feelings'. 'You hurt mine first'. 'My feelings are more important than yours'...
Politics.
Great diatribe but you probably just insulted 43% of the country’s population and have another 37% that agree with you. The other 20% are somewhere in between or are waiting to see what the majority does. Those who agree with you will applaud, those who disagree will curse and those in the middle will tell you how you’re both wrong. Which goes back to my earlier point, let’s talk about pellets. :2cents:
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Yeah and 50 years ago -- 1968 -- women could not be astronauts, nor could any person of color. They also were kept out of law schools, med school, business schools, law enforcement and most "advanced" career choices were limited to teaching and nursing. There were no women or folks of color in the Senate or House of Representatives and women in the military pretty much were limited to the nursing corp. African Americans were actively kept from voting or holding positions of responsibility and authority in a lot of states and Hispanics in the SW states were openly discriminated against. Women could not go to any military academy -- even though those places were publicly funded -- and they accepted virtually no men of color. Judges at every level were nearly 100% white males. And I could go on.
Folks thought young people had no respect because they were protesting the War in Vietnam. Society was going down the toilet because they were smoking pot and did not have the appropriate respect for their parents and authority -- remember the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968? What about the Weathermen and the Black Panthers?
And I don't have a problem giving hungry kids a free lunch and even a free breakfast. We are wealthy enough as a country to help the youngest and most vulnerable in our society.
Sorry, but every society, every generations has problems and issues they face. There is always good and bad -- and that dates back to the early Greeks and Romans too. And there have always been lazy thinkers and folks who want to drink sand and believe it is champagne. That is why history is filled with charlatans and con men.
Is everything perfect now? No, but it was far from perfect in 1968 if we take off our nostalgic glasses and look at things they way they were and not how we want to remember them.
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And this is life, and American AND YOU DONT HAVE TO BE IN THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE! So I never understand why folks want to impose THEIR system of what should be discussed on others... Its simple, stay out of this thread if it get under your skin.
I will roll the dice on this type of thread destroying this site...it is worth it to me!
Those who agree with you will applaud, those who disagree will curse and those in the middle will tell you how you’re both wrong. Which goes back to my earlier point, let’s talk about pellets. :2cents:
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This is exactly what the WWW has done to any conversation at hand.
It's far too easy to misinterpret the written word on a screen. It's far too easy to make something that was never intended into a battle field. It's far too easy to insert another argument in a topic that has nothing to do with the discussion.
I will admit to the above.
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This is exactly what the WWW has done to any conversation at hand.
It's far too easy to misinterpret the written word on a screen. It's far too easy to make something that was never intended into a battle field. It's far too easy to insert another argument in a topic that has nothing to do with the discussion.
I will admit to the above.
This is exactly the reason that i don't comment much on the internet. I am an educated, well read, open minded (mostly) person. For some reason a large percentage of what I have written on the web has been misinterpreted by a significant chunk of the people that have read it.
Quick story:
During my short, ill fated flirtation with offset stick burners I was a member of a forum. I had seen many comments and conversations about lump charcoal so I decided to try some.
After reading hundreds of posts I happened across some at a local store so I bought it. It was terrible. So I made a post asking whet is the big deal about lump? I honestly was just looking to see what I was missing.
The site exploded. I had bought what most of the people there considered to be the worst lump in the history of lump. I had no idea, I saw a brand I recognized and bought it. I didn't know at the time that the reason I recognized it was due to it's poor reputation.
Things got so heated that I asked the mods to close the thread so that new people didn't happen upon it and be put off by the fighting.
I know that most of the issue was the fact that "people suck". But at least some of was due to my inability to properly word my post in print. If the whole group had been gathered together in person it would have been an entirely different outcome.
But the good thing is that is what pushed me toward finding a solution that I didn't know existed at the time - pellets!
I also found some lump that is really good. Don't use it any more - it won't fit in my PG500.