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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Food Related => Topic started by: pmillen on September 02, 2018, 09:37:41 PM
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This is a Prime 1¾-inch New York cut from Costco. It was rather heavily seasoned on both sides with SPG.
The steps–
- Smoked as low as possible for an hour
- Sous vide for two hours at 135°
- Pan browned on the kitchen range over MMH heat (6 on a scale of 10)
It didn't seem to be as dark and seared as the photo shows. It was more of a dark brown. We don't like black char, we just try to brown the exterior for appearance and the Malliard flavor.
A much better steak than a typical steakhouse.
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How much does the browning raise the IT?
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I didn't measure the IT, either before or after browning. It doesn't raise it enough for us to notice that the steaks are more done than what we wanted.
BTW, I tried to brown it with a SearzAll.
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This thing. What a joke! It takes forever. Use a pan for browning.
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Looks great p. Eventually I will need to get a Sous Vide set up to try out. Seeing you and others here use the sous vide method really looks interesting.
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BTW, I tried to brown it with a SearzAll. What a joke! It takes forever.
Amen, I gave the Searzall a try and gave up on it very quickly. In order of preference for searing, I use Gas inferred grill, Cast iron pan, torch(not Searzall), BGE and last but not least the DC.
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How much does the browning raise the IT?
I find that pan browning tends to raise the temperature more than other methods. If I'm going to use a pan, I cook the product to a few degrees lower to compensate.
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Rather then use a searzall or one of the blow torches you find in stores like william sonoma I recommend you purchase a handheld butane torch from a hardware store. Not sure of the price but they work like a champ. I use mine for both baking and cooking. However I do think the grill or the pan is the best to sear. and in a pinch you can use it to do small welding jobs or lighting a charcoal grill :cool:
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I do the same thing, except sous vide at 125 and sear on the flat side of my Grill Grates.
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I'm convinced that charcoal imparts a unique flavor. It may be from the combustion or from the grease dripping on the coals. Maybe both.
I may try to brown the meat with a charcoal fire some time. It could get complicated, tho'.
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Trooper uses one of those chimneys with charcoal to finish off his steaks. Pretty quick and contained as far as I can tell.
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The torches add a gas flavor I find
This summer has been the summer of charcoal for me.
Never used it and now do steaks on it while my normal steak tools have sat around all summer :)
A charcoal chimney “broiler†is a great way to get intense sear quickly with no flare ups (like Trooper uses) if you don’t want the whole charcoal bbq thing
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The torches add a gas flavor I find
FWIW, Regular propane torch is said to leave an odd flavor, I use this, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HVZR3DI/ref=sxr_rr_xsim_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=9ddc66f6-9fc0-49ff-b2fa-06a39d9859e6&pd_rd_wg=8OZzQ&pf_rd_r=ES7ZJM0JQB2SNF1HBWEA&pf_rd_s=desktop-rhs-carousels&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B01HVZR3DI&pd_rd_w=Bjyhe&pf_rd_i=butane+torch&pd_rd_r=9696be7f-9b72-4802-b539-edcead0307c8&ie=UTF8&qid=1536075413&sr=1 butane torch and there no trace of a gas flavor.
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How much does the browning raise the IT?
I find that pan browning tends to raise the temperature more than other methods. If I'm going to use a pan, I cook the product to a few degrees lower to compensate.
What some folks also do is SV at their desired final temp, then chill in an ice bath for a bit before searing.
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What some folks also do is SV at their desired final temp, then chill in an ice bath for a bit before searing.
I don't see a need for this. The only time I've chilled meat after SVing is when the meat had a rub that was more complex than SPG. I don't think complex rubs SV well. Some flavors seem to disappear while others grow.
If it has more than SPG on it, like ribs, I'll SV the ribs, rapidly chill them and then rub and smoke them. Chilling them provides more smoking time.
But I rarely do this any more. It's just seems convoluted to me—cook it to make it tender and the perfect temperature throughout, chill it, cook it again...
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I haven't chilled in an ice bath unless I am intending to finish at another time/day, so don't have direct experience. But I think if the idea is to minimize banding, you could chill slightly to reduce exterior temp before searing. I'll give this a try with some NY's I plan on cooking later this week.
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I've read that the purpose of chilling in ice water for later use or freezing is to reduce the time that the product is in the bacteria growth danger zone.
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I've read that the purpose of chilling in ice water for later use or freezing is to reduce the time that the product is in the bacteria growth danger zone.
That seems strange because that zone is 40-140 and usually 4 hours long and probably longer for beef.
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I've read that the purpose of chilling in ice water for later use or freezing is to reduce the time that the product is in the bacteria growth danger zone.
That's true, but I've read folks that also chill just prior to searing to minimize overcooking and banding.
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I hate to put my ignorance on display but what is banding?
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I hate to put my ignorance on display but what is banding?
I think he's talking about the "bullseye effect" where you can get several layers or bands of "doneness" when heating meat with high heat from the outside. Some folks like it when the finished meat is at desired target temp all the way from edge to edge with no "bands" of different doneness. But they still like a crusty sear on the very outside edge. Chilling helps prevent overcooking the internal layers of meat when searing the outside at high temp.
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I hate to put my ignorance on display but what is banding?
That's the overcooked grey/brown layer between the surface and the properly cooked internal parts. The goal for many is to keep that layer to a minimum.
https://genuineideas.com/ArticlesIndex/steak.html
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I am familiar with the phenomena but never heard it called banding. Learn something new every day. ;D
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I hate to put my ignorance on display but what is banding?
That's the overcooked grey/brown layer between the surface and the properly cooked internal parts. The goal for many is to keep that layer to a minimum.
https://genuineideas.com/ArticlesIndex/steak.html
Try a frozen steak if you want zero banding and a wicked brown crust!
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If you dont want torch taste use a weed burner style torch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O3AGR2I/?ref=idea_lv_dp_vv_d (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O3AGR2I/?ref=idea_lv_dp_vv_d)
And also the winner of the searing test :clap:
Randy
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If you dont want torch taste use a weed burner style torch
And also the winner of the searing test :clap:
Randy
What test is that, Randy?
It looks a little unhandy.
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Check out sousvide everything you tube channel , they tested a LOT of different searing methods , butane torch,searzall,grill,cast iron...........the Flamethrower beat them all in a blind taste test !! I tried it and litterally takes about 30 seconds to get the outside of the sousvide steak charred a little taste GOOD !!
Randy
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>Check out sousvide everything you tube channel ,
>they tested a LOT of different searing methods
Those guys are very entertaining. But their testing and judging methods are so flawed, I don't really put much faith in their results.
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>Check out sousvide everything you tube channel ,
>they tested a LOT of different searing methods
Those guys are very entertaining. But their testing and judging methods are so flawed, I don't really put much faith in their results.
Agree - great video editing and entertaining but...
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Made some NY's last night. SV at 130 for 4 hours. I put them into an ice bath for about 3 minutes, then seared on cast iron griddle for a total of about 1.5-2 minutes/side. This is probably the best results I've have in regards to banding. The first shot is NY's done a few months ago SV and seared the same, but without the quick ice bath. The second shot is from last night.
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That looks perfect!
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Those are both magnificently well-prepared steaks, bregent. I can see that there is less banding in sample #2. But...I'd eat either one in a New York minute.