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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Non food Related => Topic started by: Kristin Meredith on May 14, 2020, 01:44:32 PM
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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-covid19-mouthwash-kill-infection-110024444.html
I am the first to admit I know very little about alcohol, but given the reasoning set out in this article, does this mean if I bought something like gin and gargled with it everyday, that could possibly kill any COVID-19 in my mouth and throat?
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Hmmm. Maybe there is something to my beer and hot sauce philosophy to keeping a cold away that could now work for COVID-19.
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Let's say someone with COVID-19 gargles and kills the viruses resident in their throat. How long before those viruses are replaced by more migrating from the lung?
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I wasn't so much thinking of someone with a case and maybe this reasoning makes no sense, but say you have been out and come home and gargle with an alcohol like gin, are they saying it would kill the virus before it took hold?
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I knew that there was a benefit to drinking scotch neat. ;D
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If the only way you could contract is by mouth, maybe. It appears you can also contract through your eyes. Do you plan on rinsing out your eyes with alcohol when you return too? :rotf:
https://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/coronavirus-transmission-through-eyes/
Also, if you breathed it in, odds are it likely made it to your lungs as quickly as it made it to your mouth/throat.
I am not a doctor, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
P.S. Gargling with alcohol to prevent contracting COVID-19 seems a lot like washing 1 hand before preparing food. Sure it would help, but is not as good as washing both hands. The masks catching the virus as it exits one's nose/mouth, before it goes airborne, is the best way to prevent the spread.
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I believe the hand sanitizers need to be at least 60% (120 proof) to be effective against Covid 19.
Not sure if my mouth could handle gargling with anything 120 proof or higher.
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But unless you have the N95 mask you are not really stopping it.
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Maybe you could wash down a Vitamin D capsule with the gin and get a two for one deal on preventative measures. ;)
BTW, my doctor has had me on Vitamin D supplements for about 4.5 years.
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But unless you have the N95 mask you are not really stopping it.
That is true. The cloth/fabric masks only stop the wearer from contaminating others from the wearer's expelled saliva droplets. The masks offer nearly zero protection to the person wearing it.
One of my daughters and her family live in Japan (MIsawa AFB) and in mid-February the first Covid 19 cases began showing up there. It was early enough to allow me to order N95 masks for them and the rest of our family here.
I am amazed at how many people are trying to rip off both individuals and government agencies with phony mask sales. Lots of folks headed to jail eventually.
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The cloth/fabric masks only stop the wearer from contaminating others from the wearer's expelled saliva droplets. The masks offer nearly zero protection to the person wearing it.
Yes. That's the intent. It's a good solution if everyone wears one.
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I've been gargling with a shot of moonshine 3 times a day since it started !!! I think it works but I can't remember if I've been sick ;D ;D ;D
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The cloth/fabric masks only stop the wearer from contaminating others from the wearer's expelled saliva droplets. The masks offer nearly zero protection to the person wearing it.
Yes. That's the intent. It's a good solution if everyone wears one.
You are absolutely correct. I dislike wearing a mask, but have been anytime I am out of my vehicle.
Unfortunately, even though presently San Diego County requires the use of a mask or respirator when near others, many people don't seem to think it applies to them.
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The cloth/fabric masks only stop the wearer from contaminating others from the wearer's expelled saliva droplets. The masks offer nearly zero protection to the person wearing it.
Yes. That's the intent. It's a good solution if everyone wears one.
Except that you must still keep 6 feet apart from someone because the experts acknowledge that if both people are wearing masks and standing closer together, a person can still be infected with a cloth mask. They emphasis that the only true protection is the distance. Otherwise, we could all just wear masks and resume normal life -- going to movies, sporting events, sitting next to each other in restaurants. But we can't. even with masks, we have to maintain distance. That is why we live under the shut down rules. If cloth masks solved this, we would not all be at home with closed businesses.
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Does anyone know how many droplets it takes to get the virus? Is it enough for someone to breath and their be some moisture that has droplets in it or does someone need to sneeze or spit on you?
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If everyone wore a mask AND stayed 6 feet from people, this would help slow down the spread. This could also allow us to get back to having the country open. Unfortunately there are quite a few who will not wear a mask and will not stay 6 feet from each other.
Now nothing is perfect but this sure would help.
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Does anyone know how many droplets it takes to get the virus? Is it enough for someone to breath and their be some moisture that has droplets in it or does someone need to sneeze or spit on you?
If you Google:
Covid 19 droplet travel distance
And then click on the National Geographic link, you'll see a strong cough or sneeze traveling up to 24 feet.
Hence the need for facial coverings to slow or stop the droplets.
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But unless you have the N95 mask you are not really stopping it.
That is true. The cloth/fabric masks only stop the wearer from contaminating others from the wearer's expelled saliva droplets. The masks offer nearly zero protection to the person wearing it.
I have heard this many times. So cloth mask only stop the virus from traveling one direction? It can get to me if I wear one but it can't get to anyone else if I wear one. Hmmm.
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So our real issue is people breathing in the virus. Curious everyone that is practicing the whole thing, dirty mask, distance, dirty gloves. How are you keeping it from yourself? It was mentioned above by someone they wear their mask anytime they are out of their car, but how do you get back into your car with out touching anything. I have tried and failed, I have to touched the door handle I usually touch something else as I get in with my hands so even when I use the sanitizer I have in the car the virus could still be on the door handle or something else I have just touched and it will transfer back to my hands and body? Not to mention that the 20 different products I just picked up at Lowes, Walmart or the Dollar Store could possibly have the virus on them and now is in my car and about to be in my house.
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But unless you have the N95 mask you are not really stopping it.
That is true. The cloth/fabric masks only stop the wearer from contaminating others from the wearer's expelled saliva droplets. The masks offer nearly zero protection to the person wearing it.
I have heard this many times. So cloth mask only stop the virus from traveling one direction? It can get to me if I wear one but it can't get to anyone else if I wear one. Hmmm.
Yeah, I don't quite get how wearing one can stop something from going to someone else but can not stop from compromising yourself from someone else. Its the same cloth. How can it work outbound but not inbound?
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So our real issue is people breathing in the virus. Curious everyone that is practicing the whole thing, dirty mask, distance, dirty gloves. How are you keeping it from yourself? It was mentioned above by someone they wear their mask anytime they are out of their car, but how do you get back into your car with out touching anything. I have tried and failed, I have to touched the door handle I usually touch something else as I get in with my hands so even when I use the sanitizer I have in the car the virus could still be on the door handle or something else I have just touched and it will transfer back to my hands and body? Not to mention that the 20 different products I just picked up at Lowes, Walmart or the Dollar Store could possibly have the virus on them and now is in my car and about to be in my house.
I've been wiping my hands with disinfectant wipes when I get in the car and wipe off the steering wheel. I also use them when I get done putting items I purchased away. Not sure if it is an effective method or not, but so far so good.
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Except that you must still keep 6 feet apart from someone because the experts acknowledge that if both people are wearing masks and standing closer together, a person can still be infected with a cloth mask. They emphasis that the only true protection is the distance. Otherwise, we could all just wear masks and resume normal life -- going to movies, sporting events, sitting next to each other in restaurants. But we can't. even with masks, we have to maintain distance. That is why we live under the shut down rules. If cloth masks solved this, we would not all be at home with closed businesses.
Except 6 feet is not necessarily safe... I do not want to put words in your mouth, but I get the impression you think the 6 foot social distancing thing is "the thing" that prevents the spread. Nothing is absolute, not even the 6 foot social distancing. It is a combination of all the measures, including wearing masks, social distancing, washing your hands, hand sanitizer, etc. that prevents the spread.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200414/cdc-covid-19-can-spread-13-feet-travel-on-shoes
Here are a couple sentences from the article:
"The maximum transmission distance could be 4 meters, the authors wrote, which is about 13 feet."
"The CDC recommends 6 feet for social distancing, and the World Health Organization recommends 3 feet."
All l am saying is the 6 foot thing is as subjective as anything else.
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Yes, and I could be hit by lightening in my back yard, but the general accepted principle is 6 ft. But again, folks should do what makes them feel comfortable.
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So our real issue is people breathing in the virus. Curious everyone that is practicing the whole thing, dirty mask, distance, dirty gloves. How are you keeping it from yourself? It was mentioned above by someone they wear their mask anytime they are out of their car, but how do you get back into your car with out touching anything. I have tried and failed, I have to touched the door handle I usually touch something else as I get in with my hands so even when I use the sanitizer I have in the car the virus could still be on the door handle or something else I have just touched and it will transfer back to my hands and body? Not to mention that the 20 different products I just picked up at Lowes, Walmart or the Dollar Store could possibly have the virus on them and now is in my car and about to be in my house.
I've been wiping my hands with disinfectant wipes when I get in the car and wipe off the steering wheel. I also use them when I get done putting items I purchased away. Not sure if it is an effective method or not, but so far so good.
I will sometime us sanitizer or a wipe when I get in, but then I think, why? I am not going to wipe down every product I just purchased. I guess we all do something in our own ways that makes us feel better about it whether it actually does any good or not.
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I have heard this many times. So cloth mask only stop the virus from traveling one direction? It can get to me if I wear one but it can't get to anyone else if I wear one. Hmmm.
Yeah, I don't quite get how wearing one can stop something from going to someone else but can not stop from compromising yourself from someone else. Its the same cloth. How can it work outbound but not inbound?
I think it is the moisture in your breath that helps catch the bacteria and stuff. That is an assumption I made. My masks say it right on the box...
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I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound. I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.
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I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound. I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.
Wearing a mask doesn't mean you can't pass the virus. It reduces the chances of you passing it. Think of you sneezing into your elbow vs. sneezing into the air.
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I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound. I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.
Wearing a mask doesn't mean you can't pass the virus. It reduces the chances of you passing it. Think of you sneezing into your elbow vs. sneezing into the air.
Please explain to me if by wearing a mask reduces the chances of me passing the virus why doesn't it reduce the chance of me obtaining it from someone else if I am wearing the same mask that is said to reduce the chance of me spreading if I had the virus. I'm not saying I oppose wearing a mask. I just don't understand how it can help the spread but not the obtainment of the virus if it is the same piece of cloth. To me, it either does none or it does both until someone can explain it to me why it can only reduce the spreading.
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I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound. I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.
Wearing a mask doesn't mean you can't pass the virus. It reduces the chances of you passing it. Think of you sneezing into your elbow vs. sneezing into the air.
Please explain to me if by wearing a mask reduces the chances of me passing the virus why doesn't it reduce the chance of me obtaining it from someone else if I am wearing the same mask that is said to reduce the chance of me spreading if I had the virus. I'm not saying I oppose wearing a mask. I just don't understand how it can help the spread but not the obtainment of the virus if it is the same piece of cloth. To me, it either does none or it does both until someone can explain it to me why it can only reduce the spreading.
I think the intent is that your respiratory droplets will only fly a few feet vs. 15 feet or something. IMO, a lot of it is about making people feel more comfortable so they will still participate in essential activities like getting groceries regardless of its effectiveness.
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I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound. I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.
Wearing a mask doesn't mean you can't pass the virus. It reduces the chances of you passing it. Think of you sneezing into your elbow vs. sneezing into the air.
Please explain to me if by wearing a mask reduces the chances of me passing the virus why doesn't it reduce the chance of me obtaining it from someone else if I am wearing the same mask that is said to reduce the chance of me spreading if I had the virus. I'm not saying I oppose wearing a mask. I just don't understand how it can help the spread but not the obtainment of the virus if it is the same piece of cloth. To me, it either does none or it does both until someone can explain it to me why it can only reduce the spreading.
I believe it is because your eyes and ears are still exposed. If there are droplets in the air and you walk into it I would think it will get into your eyes, etc.
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I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound. I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.
Wearing a mask doesn't mean you can't pass the virus. It reduces the chances of you passing it. Think of you sneezing into your elbow vs. sneezing into the air.
Please explain to me if by wearing a mask reduces the chances of me passing the virus why doesn't it reduce the chance of me obtaining it from someone else if I am wearing the same mask that is said to reduce the chance of me spreading if I had the virus. I'm not saying I oppose wearing a mask. I just don't understand how it can help the spread but not the obtainment of the virus if it is the same piece of cloth. To me, it either does none or it does both until someone can explain it to me why it can only reduce the spreading.
The masks prevent (most of) the wearer's germs from spreading into the air and landing on things everyone else touches, because it catches the infested droplets. It does not filter airborne particles, once the droplets evaporate. Most people are presymptomatic (contagious and not showing any symptoms) for a couple of days. Many people in the 20 - 50 year old range are asymptomatic (contagious but not showing any symptoms throughout entire infection).
https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/who-should-wear-a-mask-during-flu-season/
Here are a few paragraphs from this article:
The researchers asked nine study subjects with documented cases of influenza type A or B to test two different types of masks — the standard, disposable surgical masks and a more costly, respirator-style mask. The flu patients coughed into a petri dish while wearing both types of mask as well as without the mask. The dish was then tested for the presence of flu virus. When either type of mask was worn, no virus was detected on the petri dish.
“Surgical masks are designed to trap respiratory secretions (including bacteria and viruses) expelled by the wearer and prevent disease transmission to others,†the study authors wrote. “Surgical masks are not designed to prevent inhalation of airborne particles.â€
Researchers say the masks likely aren’t as effective in protecting people from catching the virus because most flu appears to be spread by large droplets or through hand-to-face contact. But when it comes to preventing the spread of flu in the home, families may benefit if the sick family member wears the mask to prevent further contamination of surfaces and to reduce the risk of a cough or sneeze spraying droplets on others.
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A read an article similar to the NYT article, but it was talking about surgical mask vs either homemade cloth masks or cloths masks purchased. Some folks, like Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va) are just wearing scarve/bandanas tied around their face. The gist was that all the cloth masks are pretty weak at doing much of anything.
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Yeah, I don't quite get how wearing one can stop something from going to someone else but can not stop from compromising yourself from someone else. Its the same cloth. How can it work outbound but not inbound?
Years ago when my wife was changing a diaper on our 6-month old baby boy, he inadvertently sprayed her face with urine. It happens!! If a clean diaper had already been in place, it would have reduced the baby's spray range, even though he might have still peed.
Now consider a dozen 6-month old boys playing together in a day care center. If no one is wearing a diaper, they might eventually pee on each other, unless you could keep them separated at a distance. But if they are all wearing a diaper, their pee will be somewhat contained, even when they get closer to each other. If their spraying urine droplets happened to contain a 'contagious' germ, wearing a diaper would be somewhat helpful to contain those germs from spreading so far.
Supposedly the coronavirus is spread by saliva droplets (like the baby's pee above) which inadvertently spew out from people whenever they cough, sneeze, or even talk. Wearing a cloth face mask works similar to a baby's diaper at reducing the range that those coronavirus droplets can travel toward other people.
Of course, the baby's diaper doesn't protect him if another baby's contaminated pee lands on him, but at least the diaper reduces the distance that any baby's urine can spray outbound.
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Yeah, I don't quite get how wearing one can stop something from going to someone else but can not stop from compromising yourself from someone else. Its the same cloth. How can it work outbound but not inbound?
Years ago when my wife was changing a diaper on our 6-month old baby boy, he inadvertently sprayed her face with urine. It happens!! If a clean diaper had already been in place, it would have reduced the baby's spray range, even though he might have still peed.
Now consider a dozen 6-month old boys playing together in a day care center. If no one is wearing a diaper, they might eventually pee on each other, unless you could keep them separated at a distance. But if they are all wearing a diaper, their pee will be somewhat contained, even when they get closer to each other. If their spraying urine droplets happened to contain a 'contagious' germ, wearing a diaper would be somewhat helpful to contain those germs from spreading so far.
Supposedly the coronavirus is spread by saliva droplets (like the baby's pee above) which inadvertently spew out from people whenever they cough, sneeze, or even talk. Wearing a cloth face mask works similar to a baby's diaper at reducing the range that those coronavirus droplets can travel toward other people.
Of course, the baby's diaper doesn't protect him if another baby's contaminated pee lands on him, but at least the diaper reduces the distance that any baby's urine can spray outbound.
Yeah, you kinda backed my claim with a caveat.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-wearing-cloth-face-mask-095121104.html
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Here is a quote from that article.
"So clearly cloth masks will affect both what you breathe in and where your breath goes when you breathe out."
Well, if you believe what you read to be true, then what I had been questioning about what others have said is accurate. The mask works both ways and not just one way. Whether that is enough to stop the bad guys from getting into your respiratory system or not is for a different discussion as I never questioned that. I only questioned these beliefs of one way masks.
Thanks for the research, Krisitin. I was too lazy to do it myself even though I did see the headline for that article today.
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A simple thing like everyone wearing a mask will help fight off this virus. As you see if the person carrying the virus doesn't wear a mask it makes it tough for everyone.
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I am not worried about the flu because I have lived through it a few times in my life. Even with shutting down the economy, social distancing, wearing masks, etc., the Corona virus has killed 98,306 people in the US in less than 5 months and the Flu killed 34,157 people in the US the entire year last year without shutting down the economy, social distancing, wearing masks, etc. The Corona virus has killed almost 3 times as many people in less than 1/2 the time, even though drastic measures have been taken to slow the spread of the corona virus, that are never taken with the flu. Simple math tells me the corona virus should be taken more seriously than the flu.
Data Source:
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+19+deaths+in+us&rlz=1C1QJDB_enUS619US619&oq=COVID19+DEATHS&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l7.7531j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
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If we could get the medial professionals, the politicians, and the media to agree to a story, there would be less hysteria. My biggest concern is I don't feel comfortable there is a method to treat me if I obtain the virus that has a very high level of confidence that I will not have serious life long impact or death. I am more worried about managing the ailment successfully than having a vaccine.
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Source for diagram?
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Lifted from Facebook. I had no doubt that the numbers were somewhat fabricated, and I knew it before I posted it, because different viruses, bacteria, etc. are different sizes. Larger particles are more likely to be filtered than smaller particles and the numbers would increase or decrease with respect to the size of the virus, bacteria, etc. I do fully believe the risk drops similar to how the diagram shows, just not the exact percentages.
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Lifted from facebook -- my first source for competent medical advice. So we don't know the distance between the wearers of the mask either I presume. And eventhough you now say you doubt the percentages given, you did not provide that caveat in your original post. This is why I am so skeptical of info on this issue.
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Lifted from facebook -- my first source for competent medical advice. So we don't know the distance between the wearers of the mask either I presume. And eventhough you now say you doubt the percentages given, you did not provide that caveat in your original post. This is why I am so skeptical of info on this issue.
I don't think I have ever gone to Facebook for medical advice, competent or not. The caveat was not needed, as the diagram was generic.
Aren't you the one asking a bunch of pellet grilling BBQ lovers (on the internet) "competent medical advice" on in whether or not gargling with alcohol will kill the corona virus in your throat to prevent you from contracting it? ;) :pig:
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Here is a quote from that article.
"So clearly cloth masks will affect both what you breathe in and where your breath goes when you breathe out."
Well, if you believe what you read to be true, then what I had been questioning about what others have said is accurate. The mask works both ways and not just one way. Whether that is enough to stop the bad guys from getting into your respiratory system or not is for a different discussion as I never questioned that. I only questioned these beliefs of one way masks.
Thanks for the research, Krisitin. I was too lazy to do it myself even though I did see the headline for that article today.
The masks do not have a check valve that allows the virus to go one way and not the other. They are not one way. The virus can enter your body through your eyes, ears, mouth and nose. The virus mostly leaves your body through your mouth and nose. When someone wears a mask correctly, and they are contagious, most of the contagion is caught in the mask. Any contagion that makes it by the mask can enter another person through their eyes, ears, nose and mouth, unless they are wearing a mask. Then they are less susceptible to breathing it in, but they can still get infected if it enters their eyes or ears. Catching the contagion before it enters the air is more effective than trying prevent it from entering your body by wearing a mask, hence the diagram I posted is correct although the actual percentages are subjective. In other words, the mask covers most of the ways a wearer can transmit the virus, but only 1/2 of the avenues the wearer can contract it, and the type of mask makes a difference in the amount of the virus it catches.
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The masks do not have a check valve that allows the virus to go one way and not the other. They are not one way. The virus can enter your body through your eyes, ears, mouth and nose. The virus mostly leaves your body through your mouth and nose. When someone wears a mask correctly, and they are contagious, most of the contagion is caught in the mask. Any contagion that makes it by the mask can enter another person through their eyes, ears, nose and mouth, unless they are wearing a mask. Then they are less susceptible to breathing it in, but they can still get infected if it enters their eyes or ears. Catching the contagion before it enters the air is more effective than trying prevent it from entering your body by wearing a mask, hence the diagram I posted is correct although the actual percentages are subjective. In other words, the mask covers most of the ways a wearer can transmit the virus, but only 1/2 of the avenues the wearer can contract it and the type of mask makes a difference in the amount of the virus it catches.
What he said!
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The masks do not have a check valve that allows the virus to go one way and not the other. They are not one way. The virus can enter your body through your eyes, ears, mouth and nose. The virus mostly leaves your body through your mouth and nose. When someone wears a mask correctly, and they are contagious, most of the contagion is caught in the mask. Any contagion that makes it by the mask can enter another person through their eyes, ears, nose and mouth, unless they are wearing a mask. Then they are less susceptible to breathing it in, but they can still get infected if it enters their eyes or ears. Catching the contagion before it enters the air is more effective than trying prevent it from entering your body by wearing a mask, hence the diagram I posted is correct although the actual percentages are subjective. In other words, the mask covers most of the ways a wearer can transmit the virus, but only 1/2 of the avenues the wearer can contract it and the type of mask makes a difference in the amount of the virus it catches.
What he said!
So you both feel comfortable getting within say 2 feet of another person wearing a mask?
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So you both feel comfortable getting within say 2 feet of another person wearing a mask?
What orifice did you pull that out of? I never implied any such thing, but if I am in a grocery store and someone walks within 2 feet of me, I'd much rather them be wearing a mask than not.
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So you both feel comfortable getting within say 2 feet of another person wearing a mask?
What orifice did you pull that out of? I never implied any such thing.
Just asking a question, but I take it from your defensive, somewhat offensive, non-response that the answer is "no" and you still distance yourself 6 feet from another mask wearer. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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A) My comment was no more offensive than your "getting competent medical advice from Facebook" dig at me. Civility is a 2-way street.
B) You are correct. I still practice 6' social distancing as much as I can, and wear a mask indoors in places where I may not be able to control the social distancing as much. I plan to continue that until the majority choose not to wear a mask, whenever that may be.