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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Food Related => Topic started by: Bobitis on September 28, 2017, 06:52:06 PM
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A couple days ago a few co-werkers were talking about cooking pork butts. One guy says "I rub the meat real good and put it in a pan with some carrots and potatoes. Then put it in the oven for 3-4 hrs". The other replies; "yeah that's pretty much what I do except I add a packet of onion soup mix on the top of the butt". They went back and forth for a couple minutes and I finally had to chime in.
Stop! You guys are making me ill...
They called me a snob. :pig: :rotf:
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I think I can beat that one, although it is not office talk but "Auxillary talk." So the BSVFD Aux cooks a lot to raise money and has done so for over 65 years. They cook for the fair every year. They do a pulled pork sandwich. We say "Hey that's something we can help with -- 3 pits, lots of experience with pork, etc" They are very kind, but explain that they are known for their pulled pork sandwiches and we will just have to let them continue with their traditional way.
So what is this traditional way you ask? They take a bunch of crock pots and cook those butts for a zillon hours. Then they pull it, dump enough bbq sauce to choke a horse and reheat it in microwaves. I can't even put a spoon of it in my mouth, but folks lap it up.
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Um, Ewwwwwwww.
I have a co worker that does the crock pot pulled pork. It’s not very good.
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Um, Ewwwwwwww.
I have a co worker that does the crock pot pulled pork. It’s not very good.
Perhaps it is the length of time they cook it, or what they sauce it with?
I have a friend who cooks crockpot pulled pork, and it is actually very tasty. Of course, it is a different beast from what comes off my smoker (and they even admit that), but if it was served to me as a guest, I wouldn't turn my nose up at it.
I think we can sometimes be too precious about our hobby.
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I agree Chris, I am not trying to be a food snob. I think if a person paid attention and cooked a butt well in a crock pot, it could be great. I have done pot roast that way and not on the pit and I love my pot roast.
But I think the Aux butt is overcooked till almost mush -- someone has somehow convinced them that overcooking certain food equates to public food safety. And the amount of sauce is just incredible. I don't know why a segment of society equates bbq to bbq sauce. And the way they reheat just cooks it even more. I just don't know why you would turn down pit smoked/cooked bbq that Bentley has said he would vac seal and reheat in boiling water in favor of the way you have always done it because -- well, that is the way you have always done it. Some traditions need to be broken!
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Here's a fun office story...
A new guy started at the office about a year ago.
I found out he was into smoking/BBQ and was even a KCBS CBJ too (that is rare up here in Canada) from the guy that hired him! Wow, cool right? I was looking forward have someone to discuss BBQ with and probably share some good tips and tricks!
I went and said hi the 1st day he started and I brought up bbq and pits.
After a bit I mention that I use a pellet smoker and you'd think I'd called his wife a wh&r3!!
He says... (remember this is his 1st day at a new job) "Oh, I make real bbq with real wood on a real smoker"
My jaw about hit the floor!
And I can't really write my reply to him here on the forum :) Lets just say we did not talk after his 1st day here.
Long story short, he got fired (big surprise with his wonderful people skills) and a lady that worked with him said to me "oh yeah, he used to talk about you and how your method of smoking was the same as microwaving food"
OMG - can you believe some people!!
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Years ago I had a colleague that was really proud of how tender his ribs were, and he had a secret method - "just boil them until tender and then finish them on the grill".
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A couple days ago a few co-werkers were talking about cooking pork butts. One guy says "I rub the meat real good and put it in a pan with some carrots and potatoes. Then put it in the oven for 3-4 hrs". The other replies; "yeah that's pretty much what I do except I add a packet of onion soup mix on the top of the butt". They went back and forth for a couple minutes and I finally had to chime in.
Stop! You guys are making me ill...
They called me a snob. :pig: :rotf:
Ahh... just stick your chest out and say yours takes about 12-14 hours and see what kind of reaction you get!! ;) ;)
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Actually the crockpot, veggies, and onion soup mix sound pretty good. Just dont call it bbq. I'm actually extremely not picky on cooking method. I've had people apologize before I even taste their food because they know I'm really into cooking and smoking. I almost always like it fine and tell them so. They seem to think I'm just being nice, but I really do like it fine. I don't really like attention on myself, so it's always very awkward for me when they are saying sorry about the food before I even taste it.
And Dan, I would have told you the same thing as that new employee. Would have added a middle finger, and told you not to let the hopper lid hit your xxx on the way out.
Had a similar situation with a new guy from Texas. First thing he tells me is that he doesn't cook ribs for less than 19 hours. That was pretty much the end of BBQ talk with him.
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I guess I should retract part of my Ewwwwww.
I’ve only had his crockpot pulled pork. Didn’t like it. Too much sauce and over cooked for me.
I’ve had the boiled/grilled ribs that came out pretty good. No smoke flavor but they weren’t over cooked and still had a bite.
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for a long time I pressure cooked the ribs and then onto the gasser for char and sauce ???
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I boiled my ribs and chicken in the 80's, no since in lying. I have progressed though...
And when people start telling me about my unit or my BBQ is not real...I just say are you familiar with the American Royal, most will say yes...I say have you ever had an 11th in Brisket there, or finished 3rd overall in the Open...All I have spoken to have said no...I then say, well ya know what, I have...so when you beat that 11th and 3rd, you let me know...that is when I will take your advice...Man it is fun to be Smug sometimes!
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I get told from the stick burner guys that I am cheating.
I am not even in a competition.
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I had one newcomer ask me at a Brethern Bash one time what the difference between my Pellet Pits and other units was...I told him Grand Championships...The boys enjoyed that one!
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Ask those stick burners how they are lighting their fire. Last one told me a blow torch. Time before that, I was told a propane tank with a wand attached. So I said, "Not rubbing two sticks together to start your fire? Sounds to me like you are cheating with that propane assist you are getting." Conversation just ended both times. Guess I am just not Miss Congeniality.
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I agree Chris, I am not trying to be a food snob. I think if a person paid attention and cooked a butt well in a crock pot, it could be great. I have done pot roast that way and not on the pit and I love my pot roast.
But I think the Aux butt is overcooked till almost mush -- someone has somehow convinced them that overcooking certain food equates to public food safety. And the amount of sauce is just incredible. I don't know why a segment of society equates bbq to bbq sauce. And the way they reheat just cooks it even more. I just don't know why you would turn down pit smoked/cooked bbq that Bentley has said he would vac seal and reheat in boiling water in favor of the way you have always done it because -- well, that is the way you have always done it. Some traditions need to be broken!
Kristin, I think it's education - both in terms of what you're exposed to, and in terms of developing taste. I say that as someone who grew up thinking it was all about the sauce. My parents never even had a grill, let alone anything that produced smoke, when I was growing up. My dad's "BBQ" consisted of remnants from beef pot roasts that he'd shred, put in a pan with some BBQ sauce and a little leftover gravy, and cook it to death. It was all I knew, and I lapped it up. Even when we'd go out, the rare places that sold "BBQ" made sandwiches of the same kind of stuff. Especially the Dairy Queen and other ice cream stands like them.
We had a *real* BBQ place in town, down on the southside, but we rarely went out, and never specifically to get BBQ, so I didn't experience them until I was a young adult, when many of my friends were raving about it. When I tried them, I found that the meat was supposed to be the star. Even there, though, it was still with only one variety of sauce - the sweet, tomato based stuff you get in the midwest. The first time I tried anything different was on a vacation when we were driving through KC and we'd read about Arthur Bryant's in Calvin Trillin's books, so we stopped there. Just like our place back home, the meat was served unsauced, on plain white bread, but the sauce they had was a more watery, vinegar-based kind that I just didn't understand at all. Clearly I was in need of further education.
Cut to about 10 years ago, in my mid-50s, by which time I'd experienced BBQ in several other places around the country. Not only have they all centered on the meat and smoke, I've come to enjoy lots of different kinds of sauces. Still, most of the time I don't apply them to the meat directly, but keep them on the side for some occasional dipping. I'm still not quite a fan of AB's savory vinegar sauce, but I've come to love most North Carolina mustard-based ones. In fact, my favorite right now is a 50/50 mix of a sweet-but-mildly-hot tomato based sauce from a local sauce company called John-Tom's, and the mustard based sauce from City BBQ, or another like it. I haven't yet branched into making my own.
So I think it's what you've been exposed to, and what you've gone out looking for on your own. Unfortunately most people who weren't raised in BBQ homes will always think the oversauced mush is the way to go, at least until they happen on something better. As far as home cooking goes, I might have gone to my grave thinking restaurants were the only easy way to get great BBQ, had I not stumbled onto a Traeger infomercial a little over a year ago. I had no idea this technology even existed.
Sorry for the long-windedness. :)
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And to me, the quintessential BBQ Beef Sandwich!
Funny as I have never even though what mine was...For the most part, mine would have been charcoal on a weber and usually cooked in under an hour and sauced...is that BBQ?
My dad's "BBQ" consisted of remnants from beef pot roasts that he'd shred, put in a pan with some BBQ sauce and a little leftover gravy, and cook it to death. It was all I knew, and I lapped it up.
Unfortunately most people who weren't raised in BBQ homes....
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Overheard in a cafe recently from a friend who was listening to his in-law talk to another guy. The in-law was a first time pellet grill user, I do not know what kind of pit he got but tried a whole chicken and did not like the way it turned out, it was not fully cooked etc. Anyway he was telling this other guy about it and he told him that, "you can't cook a whole chicken on a pellet grill you have to cut it up". :rotf:
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A buddy called the other day and said he finally had his ribs dialed in. He started of with saying oven and liquid smoke. Not saying I wouldn't try them, but...
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Man, all this bashing on us stick burner guys... :beer:
Love my BD. Puts out some fantastic Q. But there's times I need to destress and tend a fire.
Anyone who says using a pellet unit is cheating is just ignorant.