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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Non food Related => Topic started by: SmokinHandyman on June 10, 2021, 05:12:57 PM
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Tomorrow Illinois will open all bars and restaurants to 100% capacity. Masks are not required for those fully vaccinated.
I have been vaccinated since mid March.
Back to normal maybe?
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Have you had the shot?
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Virginia went fully open, no masks, everything operational on May 15. I heard on the news that tonight is the first 100% occupation for the National baseball game.
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Have you had the shot?
No and no intention of getting one.
To each their own and with that I am fine.
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New Mexico is at 57% vaccinated age 16 and up.
When we reach 60% state will be fully open.
Masks are not required per the State if fully vaccinated, but but businesses can set their own rules.
Wife and I have been fully vaccinated for over a month now.
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My sister-in-law is of the same opinion. Could you please share with us your underlying reason for not getting a shot? Politics, religion, fear, health, etc.?
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The shot is free.
Everyone should get it.
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The governor got his powers hit today as it was voted to end the disaster emergency declaration. It is about time. I believe everything is open and masking goes away completely June 28 or if and when 70% get the shot.
The GF got her shots a while back she works for the hospital and they kind of said hey come here a minute and roll up your sleeve.
I have not gotten mine and at this time don't plan on it. For e there is not enough known about it to convince me. Will it need done every year, it shouldn't it is called a vaccine not a shot. They preach flu shots every year yet they give you the shot for last years flu which more than likely won't be this years flu. Last I heard it was not approved yet so it is still experimental, this is why it is free. According to Fauci a while back, unless he changed his mind that even with the vaccine you should plan on wearing masks and keeping away from people for the most of the rest of 2021. My understanding is it doesn't keep you from getting covid, it doesn't keep you from spreading it, at best it may make the symptoms easier to deal with, or it could kill you. I have enough health issues with out having the need for someone to shoot me up with something that they are not sure what the side effects are long term.
I rarely wore a mask when we did go out, unless it was absolutely necessary to go in someplace I wanted to go. Now it seems to be if you had the vaccine you don't need to wear a mask to go places. But they are not allowed to ask me if I had one so what is the point.
I know people that searched and searched and drove an hour to get it, I also know just as many that are in the same camp as I am. I am not saying I will never get it, just I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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Call me a sheep. I got mine as early as I could. For once, being obese was on my side IMO. I wanted to get back to life as it was in 2019 as early as I could.
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I rarely wore a mask when we did go out, unless it was absolutely necessary to go in someplace I wanted to go. Now it seems to be if you had the vaccine you don't need to wear a mask to go places. But they are not allowed to ask me if I had one so what is the point.
You do realise the mask is not for your own protection, but to help prevent you giving it to others, should you become infected?
If you are not getting vaccinated, I guess that is up to you, but then not wearing a mask simply because others are not allowed to ask you of your status? That's not being fair to others.
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The current situation in England (we have different rules to Scotland and Wales, as health is a devolved issue, regulated by the individual countries).
- Meeting friends and family: Gatherings of up to 30 people outside are allowed. Indoor gatherings are restricted to 6 people or 2 households.
- Meeting friends and family: No longer mention the 2m rule, but simply advise people to be cautious and sensible.
- Certain indoor entertainment places, such as cinemas, theatres, museums, kids play areas are now open, with suitable COVID measures and limited numbers.
- Indoor and outdoor events (sports, concerts, business conferences...) are the same - reduced numbers, increased spacing, being sensible.
- Pubs and cafes have been open, but with outdoor seating only - you could go inside to order and get your drink/meal. But they can now open the indoor seating, again with increased spacing.
- Holiday accommodation is open again, including hotels and rentals. Each accommodation limited to maximum of 6 people over 2 housholds
- Masks should still be worn inside, unless eating or drinking.
On June 21, it has been expected that a new set of regulations will come into effect, removing all limits on how many people can meet and be together. It was expected that a degree of social distancing would still be used (i.e. table spacings) and mask wearing indoors would still be encouraged, but perhaps not enforced.
But it is currently being discussed whether to postpone that date, due to the Delta variant changing things somewhat. Deaths here remain low, but the infection rate is up 14%, so caution is being advised. However, even if the lockdown easing is delayed, it isn't expected that we will be going backwards. All of the above will still apply, so it won't be terrible.
I visited a friend last weekend, and had a BBQ outdoors with 4 other people, and it was delightful. A friend is popping over for tea and cake tomorrow afternoon, and I am looking forward to it.
I am fully vaccinated (62, obese, T2 diabetes), as are many of my friends. There is some quite loud anti-vax sentiment here, but no-one I know personally.
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I am always curious as to why people care who has a shot. I got one because I wanted to protect myself.
Since I was 30, I have traveled to many countries which have required various vaccines for yellow fever, typhus, typhoid, tetanus,, cholera, polio boosters, malaria medicines, etc and willingly did it because I did not want to get any of those things and it was required. But that is me. I accept others might never wish to get those shots and travel where I traveled.
I feel the same about the Covid shot. I am protected. Guess it is self centered, but now that the shot is easily accessible and available to all in the US, that is all I care about. If others don't wish to have it, I don't care.
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I am always curious as to why people care who has a shot. I got one because I wanted to protect myself.
Since I was 30, I have traveled to many countries which have required various vaccines for yellow fever, typhus, typhoid, tetanus,, cholera, polio boosters, malaria medicines, etc and willingly did it because I did not want to get any of those things and it was required. But that is me. I accept others might never wish to get those shots and travel where I traveled.
I feel the same about the Covid shot. I am protected. Guess it is self centered, but now that the shot is easily accessible and available to all in the US, that is all I care about. If others don't wish to have it, I don't care.
I also chose to be vaccinated - more for community concern than personal fear of infection. If anyone has the time, Google Mary Mallon...it makes for an interesting read.
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My wife and I and our children and their spouses all had our shots. I equate having the shots similar to the shots for chickenpox, measles etc. they are preventive. I also understand however do not agree with those who do not want the shots. IMO it puts others at risk especially young children, teenagers athose wh cannot have the shot do to medical reasons. Our granddaughter is one who cannot have the shot. So I ask those who do not want the shots not to be proud but to respect others and wear your mask. The life you may be a childs
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I also have not had the shot, nor intend to be vaccinated. My reason is the same for not getting a flu shot each year. I don't get the flu. If I get SARS-COV-2, I will gets sick and get over it, just like I do the flu. Now, others may not believe that this will happen to me, but I do. A reason why...well, the rest of my comments would probably be unproductive.
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California opens up on June 15. My only concern is the delta variant that hit India is moving throughout the US and the number of folks that are not yet vaccinated. It would be disastrous if we see another wave. It probably will not have much impact on rural areas but metropolitan areas will get hit the worse.
The amount of misinformation about Covid-19 and the vaccines really bothers me. My wife's hair dresser still believes the death toll from Covid-19 is not true and that it is no worse than a mild flu. She asked my wife if she knows anyone that died from Covid-19 to prove her point. My wife responded "Yes, one of our neighbors". That conversation ended quickly. Our daughter was working in New York city when the outbreak there was really bad. No body can convince her that the pandemic was not real. She saw the refrigerated meat trucks behind hospitals and was even asked by the city corner to help haul bodies because of her background in veterinary medicine. She declined. All of the noise on the vaccines has really gotten out of hand. One of my wife's cousins believes it is being used by Bill Gates and the Government to control us. This rumor has been going around for months. Several months back, a friend passed to me a link to an online discussion conducted by Dr Tenpenny. She has pretty good credentials but most of what she was saying proved to be completely bogus after a little fact checking. I see she testified recently before the Ohio state legislature claiming that the vaccine has made people magnetic. Ugh!
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There are a few different ways that one could interpret this...And it has nothing to do with what is injected into the body!
One of my wife's cousins believes it is being used by Bill Gates and the Government to control us.
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I had a Dr. appointment yesterday. They have the vaccine available if you want it. Masking was your choice,, even though I had not gotten it, I asked if they were better with me wearing mine or not. They said it was my choice. The DR said I wear one because people expect me to. I asked if he thought it was a good thing, and he said yes. He said he did not go off of what the government and CDC said so much as he did of of the studies for the vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, he said he would stay away from the J&J one but didn't say why. He said he read each study all 56 pages each and felt they went about doing things the right way. He also said while he thinks it is good to get it, that many people have more questions and some really out there thoughts on it. He said I will no pressure you in to getting or not, just tell you we have it if you chose to get one. The have Moderna and give it once a week, the vial once opened has 10 doses and only lasts for 6 hours.
As we talked he mentioned flu, I told him I didn't remember the last time I had a flu shot because they are usually a year behind. He explained the differences in flu and covid like this. The flu this year looks like you (I am about 6' 340# and white.) next year it looks like a 10 year old Asian girl, and the next year it is a 300# black linebacker for the Steelers. So it is hard to guess what is coming. Covid he said looks like you, then the next mutation looks like you with blue eyes the next is you with blond hair. So even the different mutations will be effected by the vaccine. He was not sure on the longevity of it in your system, he figure there will be some booster shots down the road, but even if you do not get them you are still better having the first set.
He does feel it is pretty safe and also says it works. Siting Israel who was first to have the majority of people vaccinated and seeing there numbers just drop to next to nothing, same with here in the US case have drastically dropped off with a lot of people getting it.
I think the death cases are a bit exaggerated in that hearing cause of death was ruled covid if they tested and had it, no matter if they died from a heart attack or car accident. I believe this was a financial thing as the government was handing out money to places for covid related deaths and treatments.
As for controlling us, I doubt Gates really gains much by having any control over me and most people than he already does. I agree with Bentley. The government on the other hand will always seek to have control over the people to a certain extent, sadly it seems to be them wanting more and more control to me. One day there will be an uprising as people will have had enough, not sure I will see that in my lifetime, but I do see it happening. They seem to be trying to dumb down each new generation more and more so they will follow along without much resistance. Both parties want to control more of our lives than they should and if they ever got wise and unified, we would be in deep Doo Doo.
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There are a few different ways that one could interpret this...And it has nothing to do with what is injected into the body!
One of my wife's cousins believes it is being used by Bill Gates and the Government to control us.
A little context here. This woman grew up and was educated under a strict communist government. She hated the US until a family member felt she was old enough to handle the truth about close MIA family members. She held her tongue and eventually immigrated to the US. She has experienced a controlling government first hand and is a bit paranoid about the motives behind any government. I traveled through central Europe in late 2019. This distrust of government in general is still prevalent in former communist controlled places like Slovakia.
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I first heard about the vaccines in April 2020. Stan Bunger had an "Ask an Expert" news show on CBS news radio. He brought on a medical professor from USC that was involved with the reviewing the test results for the various Covid-19 vaccines. The guy was ecstatic about the results he was seeing thus far. He commented that the US government was doing risk buys on six of the most promising candidates in order to jump start supply following approval. The expectation was that only two would make it. He projected that the first vaccines would be submitted for approval in the late fall. His projection was spot on even though it was for emergency approval only.
I felt like the government that the only way we would dig our way out of the Covid quagmire is with an effective vaccine. My family signed up for a shot as early as we could. My oldest daughter got her first shot in early January. I got mine in early February. By the end of April, my family was all completely vaccinated.
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I don't think it helps the Gov push to get the country vaccinated when a large portion of Medical/Healthcare workers won't even take it. I do not happen to be in the camp of mis doubt, I do not think that the vaccine it is unsafe, just unnecessary for me personally. If that, along without wearing a mask and not social distancing, makes me selfish and (the generic you) think I am disrespectful, so be it, I can live with that.
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Sadly one doesn't have to look very hard or have a wild imagination to have at least a little distrust of government. Or maybe it is just me.
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KY is having three $1,000,000 sweepstakes drawings; if I win, I'm buying a PG500! ;)
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Some info from a local TV station:
The delta variant is quickly on its way to becoming the dominant strain of coronavirus in the U.S., raising concerns that outbreaks could hit vulnerable communities come fall.
Currently, 10% of COVID-19 cases in the U.S. can be attributed to the variant, but that proportion is doubling every two weeks, said Scott Gottlieb, a former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, said in a CBS interview Sunday.
He added that it probably will become the dominant strain in the U.S.
That may not mean a sharp uptick in infections across the country, which has administered more than 309 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine, but specific regions are at risk, he said.
“I think in parts of the country where you have less vaccination — particularly in parts of the South, where you have some cities where vaccination rates are low — there’s a risk that you could see outbreaks with this new variant,” Gottlieb said.
Nationally, 64.4% of adults have received at least one dose of the vaccine, but some states are seeing significantly lower rates. Less than half of adults living in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Wyoming have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
For states lagging in vaccinations, the delta variant could pose a serious risk since experts believe the delta variant is significantly more transmissible than its predecessors, Gottlieb said. The good news is that evidence shows vaccines are still effective against it.
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Sadly one doesn't have to look very hard or have a wild imagination to have at least a little distrust of government. Or maybe it is just me.
Spot on!
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Sadly one doesn't have to look very hard or have a wild imagination to have at least a little distrust of government. Or maybe it is just me.
It is not just you. No one should ever trust any government. Power corrupts. Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and history is littered with examples of why not to trust government. That does not mean everything is a conspiracy, but always research and verify.
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Sadly one doesn't have to look very hard or have a wild imagination to have at least a little distrust of government. Or maybe it is just me.
It is not just you. No one should ever trust any government. Power corrupts. Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and history is littered with examples of why not to trust government. That does not mean everything is a conspiracy, but always research and verify.
Again, spot on.
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Sorry I opened up this can of worms by starting this thread.
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Sorry I opened up this can of worms by starting this thread.
I don't believe you need to be sorry, there is just some differences in opinions. Heck there is differences in opinions on wrapping or not wrapping ribs, fat up fat down on brisket. In the end everyone here seems to get along and not get offended, if someone else thinks differently. I think it would be a sad world if every one thought exactly the same way on everything. Different opinions are a big part of what creates conversation.
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Sorry I opened up this can of worms by starting this thread.
I second what “big dave” said.
Absolutely no reason for you to apologize, none.
He said it better than I ever could and I 100% agree with what he said.
Nothing but friends here.
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Sorry I opened up this can of worms by starting this thread.
I agree with the others that there is no need to be sorry, however, I also agree with you that it is now time to move forward and focus on our BBQing and cooking
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Florida never really shut down except for the first 2 weeks to "flatten the curve". Since then everything has pretty much been open with masks and social distancing.
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No one makes anyone come into or comment on any thread. If someone does not like a thread, stay out of it. Having said that...
I have enjoyed the thread very much. Any member that starts a thread has the ability to delete the whole thread. I think the option is in their initial post, will be on the right and says "remove".
Sorry I opened up this can of worms by starting this thread.
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Florida never really shut down except for the first 2 weeks to "flatten the curve". Since then everything has pretty much been open with masks and social distancing.
California is allowing us to climb out of our foxholes today. Our friends in Florida were dining out while we eating at home during this past year. My family is going to Maui in two weeks. Oh boy! A whole new set of restrictions.
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I'm beginning to think that some businesses are taking the pandemic as an opportunity to raise their prices and blame it on Covid.
No proof of that, just my belief.
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I'm beginning to think that some businesses are taking the pandemic as an opportunity to raise their prices and blame it on Covid.
No proof of that, just my belief.
Some things have happened to drive increases - wage increases of labor to get people to work, transportation industry costs to move good have skyrocketed due to lack of containers as there are a bunch that are filled with medical supplies that have not been used, backup in many supply chains due to covid restrictions on factories reducing their actual capacity and throughput, companies working OT to attempt to catch up with demand because they can't find help to fill open positions, etc. It is a real mess out there that may take 18 months to straighten out (my opinion). The after affects of the impact on global trade and economics may take longer to get back to normal than the quarantine period(s).
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I'm beginning to think that some businesses are taking the pandemic as an opportunity to raise their prices and blame it on Covid.
No proof of that, just my belief.
What I find interesting is that California was no better off than Florida after making you guys completely shut down for so long. I definitely feel you pain out there.
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Old habits are hard to break. Tuesday was California reopening day and I had several errands to run. I went to my local Costco and there was a sign out front saying masks were not required if fully vaccinated. Everyone in the store including employees were wearing a mask. I then went to my local Rei Coop and it was the same deal with the sign out front and everyone was wearing a mask. My last stop was a locally owned hardware store and nobody had masks on in there. Going back to maskless is going to be a slow process.
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Wife and I are fully vaccinated and we still were them out of respect for others.
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Wife and I are fully vaccinated and we still were them out of respect for others.
with respect ... why? I'm in same boat as you. I wore a mask for 12 months. I'm team Pfizer a while back. If we're following the science then we don't wear masks out of respect for others. I will absolutely wear a mask if a business I respect asks for it, but to do so arbitrarily goes against the science.
Then again this might be the new norm which is maybe your point. Folks wearing masks seasonally or full time in public. I hope not, but it's possible.
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I could careless if folks want to wear mask in public, sleep with them on if it makes you comfortable. Just do not ask me to do it!
Then again this might be the new norm which is maybe your point. Folks wearing masks seasonally or full time in public. I hope not, but it's possible.
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Wife and I are fully vaccinated and we still were them out of respect for others.
with respect ... why? I'm in same boat as you. I wore a mask for 12 months. I'm team Pfizer a while back. If we're following the science then we don't wear masks out of respect for others. I will absolutely wear a mask if a business I respect asks for it, but to do so arbitrarily goes against the science.
Then again this might be the new norm which is maybe your point. Folks wearing masks seasonally or full time in public. I hope not, but it's possible.
When you walk in to a place and nobody is wearing a mask, you don't know who is vaccinated and who is not.
By wearing masks, at least people know we are concerned for their safety.
That is the main purpose of the mask is to protect others from you.
Our grocery store has sign out front saying masks required.
Many don't wear them, mostly the far younger people than us.
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So again, following the science, if you are vaccinated why do you or anyone care if I am maskless?
Are you protected or not?
I have adopted a very different stance, I will never wear a mask again in public, never.
If they are doing open heart surgery on me, give me one, otherwise never.
If they request masks……nope, shopping anyway.
If they demand them…….nope, leaving the store.
Not typically into conspiracies but this is starting to make me wonder quite honestly.
I dont get within 6’ of a stranger most places anyway, even before this, think about it, 6’ isn’t very far.
Over and out.
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I guess I look at it differently. By wearing a mask, you signal to me you aren't vaccinated. But then again, I don't care if you are or aren't vaccinated because I am and the science tells me I am protected.
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I guess I look at it differently. By wearing a mask, you signal to me you aren't vaccinated. But then again, I don't care if you are or aren't vaccinated because I am and the science tells me I am protected.
Part true here at least.
Personally speaking I am not vaccinated and I have always avoided as best that I can masking.
My intent is not to signal my vaccinated status, rather a choice I have made.
If someone is afraid of an unmasked person and vaccinated, I feel compelled to ask why? Do you believe you are immune or don’t you? I am not worried about someone’s feelings while shopping, I am their on a mission. I am not their to make anyone feel safe……sorry.
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Illinois has just announced that they will have a lottery for those that have been vaccinated.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/watch-live-pritzker-to-announce-new-promotion-to-encourage-illinois-residents-to-get-covid-vaccine/2534845/
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I guess I look at it differently. By wearing a mask, you signal to me you aren't vaccinated. But then again, I don't care if you are or aren't vaccinated because I am and the science tells me I am protected.
Part true here at least.
Personally speaking I am not vaccinated and I have always avoided as best that I can masking.
My intent is not to signal my vaccinated status, rather a choice I have made.
If someone is afraid of an unmasked person and vaccinated, I feel compelled to ask why? Do you believe you are immune or don’t you? I am not worried about someone’s feelings while shopping, I am their on a mission. I am not their to make anyone feel safe……sorry.
My response is based upon the fact that, in Virginia, if you aren't vaccinated, you are suppose to wear a mask. In various stores I shop in, some employees have masks and some don't. I asked about that one day and was told that the stores aren't requiring proof of vaccination, but if you don't want to wear one as an employee, you have to show proof of vaccination. So, it is increasingly becoming in my mind that folks wearing masks are signaling that they aren't vaccinated. Maybe that is right, maybe that is wrong, it is just the way I am interpreting it.
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Here is a different angle, at least the way I see it.
I have shared previously that my Sister is gay, marched everywhere for everything for years, I have no problem with that.
Her Partner is horrified about both covid AND the vaccines? Her partner has decided to “hunker down”, they live on a few acres in Grants Pass, Oregon.
My sister is vaccinated and does EVERYTHING off site so to speak.
My point……her partner doesn’t trust the vaccine so won’t get it, instead encourages my Sister to get it and venture into the unknown. I speak with my Sister at least every 3 days, enjoy a fantastic relationship that was tested severely for years. So her partner thinks others should be vaccinated but not her…..she has effectively made HER problem YOUR problem, yeah, no thanks.
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It will be interesting for me to see if the Houston Hospital decision requiring all employees to be vaccinated is appealed.