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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 07:17:21 PM »

I think you got numbers wrong.

 :)  Who, me?  That's certainly a possibility.  Please tell me which one's are wrong.  We need to have this discussion publicly so people who have a Fast Eddy pit or who are considering one aren't getting bad information.

Edit:  Looking back at my post I see that 80/80 definitely won't result in a flame out.  I often run the LHt lower than that.  But I don't think I can maintain a fire at LHt 15.  I had one flame out because of a low LHt but I don't recall what the setting was.
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2019, 05:26:48 AM »

When I saw these two slabs of bacon in Costco,  my first thought was of Bentley.  He once said he never sees nice thick pork bellies.  My second thought was, wow I haven't seen two bellies this thick in a while,  maybe ever. 

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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2019, 10:56:04 AM »

The Costco's around here have started to carry them and they look about like that.  I think those are a bit thicker.  The last 3 I have done have been from Costco!



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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2019, 12:24:06 PM »

Glad you have a good source for pork belly now Bentley. 

The two I got most recently seemed to be a bit thicker than anything I'd seen before.  It was odd, because they were also shorter  then usual.  I think most normal pork bellies at my Costco are uaually probably 19 or 20" long,  these were 16" long.    Not sure why they were shorter, but to me,  it just looked like they were probably close to 1/2" thicker then I normally see.   It might also be because in weeks leading up to this find, I kept seeing bellies that were only like 1.25" thick at their thickest, which is a bit thinner then I tend to see most of the time.
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2019, 04:16:54 PM »

And a fine thread it was!


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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2019, 07:49:32 AM »

Is it better to vacuum seal or just use a ziplock bag when curing?
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2019, 10:14:43 AM »

Every time we do it, we use zip loc bags.
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2019, 04:02:44 PM »

It is pretty much a matter of time to cure, so not sure vac sealing in a bag would help.  Large chamber where the meat fibers might be expanded by the vacuum it might decrease time needed to cure.  Latter statement is all conjecture!
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2019, 09:21:58 AM »

Is it better to vacuum seal or just use a ziplock bag when curing?

    I once tried vacuum sealing , but for me I found it too hard to get the wet pork into the bag without making a mess of the bag on the inside.  Having damp messy insides of the bag just made it too hard to get a good seal.   

     I personally use cellophane to wrap my pork belly up after I've sprinkled the dry cure ingredients on it.  I bought some sort of 'commercial' width cling wrap, and I can wrap it up pretty tightly , without too much effort.  I have just stuck it in zip lock bags, without wrapping it up first, but I believe the tight wrap helps keep the cure and the liquid that gets drawn out of the meat , in contact with the meat, which I believe helps the process.   I use the 'EQ', method of curing  ( equalization method ), and the principle is that the liquid, meat, and the cure ingredients all eventually reach a 'salt equilibrium' , so I feel keeping everything in contact with each other is important enough , to try and make it happen. I actually then place the wrapped curing belly into Zip-Lock bags, because there will be some liquid that escapes , and I don't want it all over the inside of my refrigerator.

    I have used nothing but zip lock bags.  When I do this, I just try to get rid of any excess air in the bag, and fold the bag around the hunk of meat, trying to get that reasonably tight, for the same reasons I stated above.  I have found that even when trying to be really careful, my zip lock bags like that tend to find ways to leak too, so I would actually bag some up, then place a couple bagged chunks into a bigger bag, trying to avoid liquid spilling into my refrigerator during the curing process.
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2019, 02:16:31 PM »

Is it better to vacuum seal or just use a ziplock bag when curing?

I once tried vacuum sealing , but for me I found it too hard to get the wet pork into the bag without making a mess of the bag on the inside.  Having damp messy insides of the bag just made it too hard to get a good seal.   

When I anticipate this problem, I fold the open bag end back, like a cuff.  In that way the material going in doesn't wipe as I insert it.  Then I let the cuff down and have a clean bag interior to make a strong seal.  (That's the theory, anyway.)
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2019, 12:48:45 PM »

Somehow I managed to get my PG500 to run at 95F for 6 hours this past weekend.  I had 19 pounds of bacon in it too...
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2019, 12:57:10 PM »

Is it better to vacuum seal or just use a ziplock bag when curing?

About five days ago I put a pork belly into two vacuum bags to cure but the accumulated liquid was unable to move around due to the vacuum. This morning I punched a hole into each bag, let some air in and resealed without vacuum. In the future, I'll seal the bags with little or no vacuum.
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2019, 01:30:55 PM »

I wrap mine in cellophane,  then put into ziplock bags to catch any leaks

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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2019, 01:34:57 PM »

You guys leave posts that inspire me to try bacon.  I'll have to study the threads and develop a plan.
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Re: Bacon... and/or cold smokin' and 'warm' smoking
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2019, 01:46:29 PM »

Too late now, but the last 19 pounds I bought at Costco were on sale... $2.60/lb ( $4 off each package, they are usually around 9 pounds each ).  I would have bought more then two , but I think they were pretty picked over by the time I got there, so I just found the two best looking ones and got them.
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