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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2020, 10:09:54 PM »

If everyone wore a mask AND stayed 6 feet from people, this would help slow down the spread. This could also allow us to get back to having the country open. Unfortunately there are quite a few who will not wear a mask and will not stay 6 feet from each other.

Now nothing is perfect but this sure would help. 
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2020, 12:58:00 AM »

Does anyone know how many droplets it takes to get the virus?  Is it enough for someone to breath and their be some moisture that has droplets in it or does someone need to sneeze or spit on you?

If you Google:
Covid 19 droplet travel distance
And then click on the National Geographic link, you'll see a strong cough or sneeze traveling up to 24 feet.

Hence the need for facial coverings to slow or stop the droplets.
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2020, 08:16:35 AM »

But unless you have the N95 mask you are not really stopping it.

That is true. The cloth/fabric masks only stop the wearer from contaminating others from the wearer's expelled saliva droplets. The masks offer nearly zero protection to the person wearing it.


  I have heard this many times. So cloth mask only stop the virus from traveling one direction? It can get to me if I wear one but it can't get to anyone else if I wear one. Hmmm.
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2020, 08:27:17 AM »

So our real issue is people breathing in the virus. Curious everyone that is practicing the whole thing,  dirty mask, distance, dirty gloves. How are you keeping it from yourself? It was mentioned above by  someone they wear their mask anytime they are out of their car, but how do you get back into your car with out touching anything. I have tried and failed, I have to touched the door handle I usually touch something else as I get in with my hands so even when I use the sanitizer I have in the car the virus could still be on the door handle or something else I have just touched and it will transfer back to my hands and body? Not to mention that the 20 different products I just picked up at Lowes, Walmart or the Dollar Store could possibly have the virus on them and now is in my car and about to be in my house.

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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2020, 08:28:08 AM »

But unless you have the N95 mask you are not really stopping it.

That is true. The cloth/fabric masks only stop the wearer from contaminating others from the wearer's expelled saliva droplets. The masks offer nearly zero protection to the person wearing it.


  I have heard this many times. So cloth mask only stop the virus from traveling one direction? It can get to me if I wear one but it can't get to anyone else if I wear one. Hmmm.

Yeah, I don't quite get how wearing one can stop something from going to someone else but can not stop from compromising yourself from someone else.  Its the same cloth.  How can it work outbound but not inbound?
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2020, 08:30:01 AM »

So our real issue is people breathing in the virus. Curious everyone that is practicing the whole thing,  dirty mask, distance, dirty gloves. How are you keeping it from yourself? It was mentioned above by  someone they wear their mask anytime they are out of their car, but how do you get back into your car with out touching anything. I have tried and failed, I have to touched the door handle I usually touch something else as I get in with my hands so even when I use the sanitizer I have in the car the virus could still be on the door handle or something else I have just touched and it will transfer back to my hands and body? Not to mention that the 20 different products I just picked up at Lowes, Walmart or the Dollar Store could possibly have the virus on them and now is in my car and about to be in my house.

I've been wiping my hands with disinfectant wipes when I get in the car and wipe off the steering wheel.  I also use them when I get done putting items I purchased away.  Not sure if it is an effective method or not, but so far so good.
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2020, 09:59:19 AM »

Except that you must still keep 6 feet apart from someone because the experts acknowledge that if both people are wearing masks and standing closer together, a person can still be infected with a cloth mask.  They emphasis that the only true  protection is the distance. Otherwise, we could all just wear masks and resume normal life -- going to movies, sporting events, sitting next to each other in restaurants.  But we can't. even with masks, we have to maintain distance.  That is why we live under the shut down rules.  If cloth masks solved this, we would not all be at home with closed businesses.

Except 6 feet is not necessarily safe... I do not want to put words in your mouth, but I get the impression you think the 6 foot social distancing thing is "the thing" that prevents the spread. Nothing is absolute, not even the 6 foot social distancing. It is a combination of all the measures, including wearing masks, social distancing, washing your hands, hand sanitizer, etc. that prevents the spread.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200414/cdc-covid-19-can-spread-13-feet-travel-on-shoes

Here are a couple sentences from the article:

"The maximum transmission distance could be 4 meters, the authors wrote, which is about 13 feet."
"The CDC recommends 6 feet for social distancing, and the World Health Organization recommends 3 feet."


All l am saying is the 6 foot thing is as subjective as anything else.
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2020, 10:12:09 AM »

Yes, and I could be hit by lightening in my back yard, but the general accepted principle is 6 ft.  But again, folks should do what makes them feel comfortable. 
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2020, 10:14:43 AM »

So our real issue is people breathing in the virus. Curious everyone that is practicing the whole thing,  dirty mask, distance, dirty gloves. How are you keeping it from yourself? It was mentioned above by  someone they wear their mask anytime they are out of their car, but how do you get back into your car with out touching anything. I have tried and failed, I have to touched the door handle I usually touch something else as I get in with my hands so even when I use the sanitizer I have in the car the virus could still be on the door handle or something else I have just touched and it will transfer back to my hands and body? Not to mention that the 20 different products I just picked up at Lowes, Walmart or the Dollar Store could possibly have the virus on them and now is in my car and about to be in my house.

I've been wiping my hands with disinfectant wipes when I get in the car and wipe off the steering wheel.  I also use them when I get done putting items I purchased away.  Not sure if it is an effective method or not, but so far so good.

I will sometime us sanitizer or a wipe when I get in, but then I think, why? I am not going to wipe down every product I just purchased. I guess we all do something in our own ways that makes us feel better about it whether it actually does any good or not.
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2020, 10:27:34 AM »

I have heard this many times. So cloth mask only stop the virus from traveling one direction? It can get to me if I wear one but it can't get to anyone else if I wear one. Hmmm.

Yeah, I don't quite get how wearing one can stop something from going to someone else but can not stop from compromising yourself from someone else.  Its the same cloth.  How can it work outbound but not inbound?

I think it is the moisture in your breath that helps catch the bacteria and stuff. That is an assumption I made. My masks say it right on the box...
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2020, 10:32:53 AM »

I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound.  I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2020, 11:19:19 AM »

I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound.  I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.

Wearing a mask doesn't mean you can't pass the virus. It reduces the chances of you passing it. Think of you sneezing into your elbow vs. sneezing into the air.
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2020, 11:28:21 AM »

I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound.  I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.

Wearing a mask doesn't mean you can't pass the virus. It reduces the chances of you passing it. Think of you sneezing into your elbow vs. sneezing into the air.

Please explain to me if by wearing a mask reduces the chances of me passing the virus why doesn't it reduce the chance of me obtaining it from someone else if I am wearing the same mask that is said to reduce the chance of me spreading if I had the virus.  I'm not saying I oppose wearing a mask.  I just don't understand how it can help the spread but not the obtainment of the virus if it is the same piece of cloth.  To me, it either does none or it does both until someone can explain it to me why it can only reduce the spreading.
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Re: Serious Question
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2020, 11:46:04 AM »

I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound.  I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.

Wearing a mask doesn't mean you can't pass the virus. It reduces the chances of you passing it. Think of you sneezing into your elbow vs. sneezing into the air.

Please explain to me if by wearing a mask reduces the chances of me passing the virus why doesn't it reduce the chance of me obtaining it from someone else if I am wearing the same mask that is said to reduce the chance of me spreading if I had the virus.  I'm not saying I oppose wearing a mask.  I just don't understand how it can help the spread but not the obtainment of the virus if it is the same piece of cloth.  To me, it either does none or it does both until someone can explain it to me why it can only reduce the spreading.

I think the intent is that your respiratory droplets will only fly a few feet vs. 15 feet or something.  IMO, a lot of it is about making people feel more comfortable so they will still participate in essential activities like getting groceries regardless of its effectiveness. 
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2020, 11:46:30 AM »

I still don't get why if it works for outbound it wouldn't work for inbound.  I'm not an engineer but it doesn't make sense in my mind.

Wearing a mask doesn't mean you can't pass the virus. It reduces the chances of you passing it. Think of you sneezing into your elbow vs. sneezing into the air.

Please explain to me if by wearing a mask reduces the chances of me passing the virus why doesn't it reduce the chance of me obtaining it from someone else if I am wearing the same mask that is said to reduce the chance of me spreading if I had the virus.  I'm not saying I oppose wearing a mask.  I just don't understand how it can help the spread but not the obtainment of the virus if it is the same piece of cloth.  To me, it either does none or it does both until someone can explain it to me why it can only reduce the spreading.

I believe it is because your eyes and ears are still exposed. If there are droplets in the air and you walk into it I would think it will get into your eyes, etc.
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