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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2020, 09:04:58 PM »

I am responding to your post Bentley.
I can only surmise this is correct, having said that, I will speak to her this weekend at some point and (with her consent) will share.
Best I can tell is that the “movement”, in their eyes started with the purest of intentions from passionate people. They are fantastic activists for inclusion, they always have been.
Again speculation on my part (will again do my best to clarify their opinion) it has become “us vs. them”. Whomever Us is and them is I can only tell you what I took from our many conversations over
times. Us=Said Person and their beliefs. Them= said person and their beliefs.
Hard to portray their passion for tolerance and that is probably quite apparent but if I were to do my best Readers Digest version of what they tell me, while unabashedly accepting and overwhelmingly tolerant, they have seen enough. If BLM and the original portrayal of the mission wanted to remain focused and productive they WOULD not continue going on the path they are currently traveling.
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2020, 09:50:40 PM »

I hope she will allow you to share and I will wait till then to say any more about that!
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2020, 10:53:46 PM »

I loathe this kind of stuff. It is divisive. That being said, every experience from different areas have different perspectives. No human should disagree with the slogan of “BLM”. We as humans all bleed red. However, in the Pacific Northwest and some other areas, it has been used as a cover for domestic terrorism for months. I am hesitant to say much more.
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2020, 05:19:14 AM »

I loathe this kind of stuff. It is divisive. That being said, every experience from different areas have different perspectives. No human should disagree with the slogan of “BLM”. We as humans all bleed red. However, in the Pacific Northwest and some other areas, it has been used as a cover for domestic terrorism for months. I am hesitant to say much more.
That is what I understand my sister to be saying.
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2020, 06:56:30 AM »

I guess yorkdude, I would have to ask is their experience only limited to Portland?  Because Portland seems a total mess -- you have antifa fighting white supremacists in the streets, so not sure what that is representing.

I can tell you about our small BLM movement and marches here in Culpeper.  There have been two -- one with about 80 people and one with several hundred.  They obtained permits and marched.  They had many ministers present, shared stories (at least two black local nurses publicly shared their stories when they gathered together at the end of the march down the main street), and prayed at the end, holding hands with local police and sheriffs. No violence, no destroyed property, no police injured.  Maybe that is just typical of a small town, maybe just unusual and local to this community. I don't try and extrapolate and say "Well all BLM folks are Baptist ministers, nurses and police".

Portland is the worse of the worse for sure.  Here in South Alabama there were several peaceful protests.  But in many cities across the country these peaceful protests have turned into riots.  If blm says this does not represent their cause then they need to denounce them. 
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2020, 10:49:57 AM »

I guess yorkdude, I would have to ask is their experience only limited to Portland?  Because Portland seems a total mess -- you have antifa fighting white supremacists in the streets, so not sure what that is representing.

I can tell you about our small BLM movement and marches here in Culpeper.  There have been two -- one with about 80 people and one with several hundred.  They obtained permits and marched.  They had many ministers present, shared stories (at least two black local nurses publicly shared their stories when they gathered together at the end of the march down the main street), and prayed at the end, holding hands with local police and sheriffs. No violence, no destroyed property, no police injured.  Maybe that is just typical of a small town, maybe just unusual and local to this community. I don't try and extrapolate and say "Well all BLM folks are Baptist ministers, nurses and police".

Portland is the worse of the worse for sure.  Here in South Alabama there were several peaceful protests.  But in many cities across the country these peaceful protests have turned into riots.  If blm says this does not represent their cause then they need to denounce them.

I agree about the denouncing, but as they say any press is good press. so I would imagine hat BLM coffers are filling up more with all of the attention.
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2020, 10:53:25 AM »

If blm says this does not represent their cause then they need to denounce them.

Amen
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2020, 11:36:02 AM »

Much like the President should denounce violent groups like Proud Boys instead of telling them to "stand by"? I mean, otherwise, as the head of the GOP, I guess I am to assume the GOP embraces violence as a political expression?
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2020, 06:07:17 PM »

Much like the President should denounce violent groups like Proud Boys instead of telling them to "stand by"? I mean, otherwise, as the head of the GOP, I guess I am to assume the GOP embraces violence as a political expression?
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2020, 06:10:39 PM »

Why?
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2020, 06:16:50 PM »

Saban is now clear after 3 negative covid tests, but Florida coach Mullen now has tested positive.  Lots of pro players tested positive in the last 48-72 hours.  I'm beginning to wonder how good these tests are.  You are positive one day and negative 2 days later.  I guess it is possible this virus is like the one day flu for some.  Don't know what to believe anymore.
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2020, 07:15:23 PM »

Saban is now clear after 3 negative covid tests, but Florida coach Mullen now has tested positive.  Lots of pro players tested positive in the last 48-72 hours.  I'm beginning to wonder how good these tests are.  You are positive one day and negative 2 days later.  I guess it is possible this virus is like the one day flu for some.  Don't know what to believe anymore.

Certainly not the media.  This will continue to be the top story until the election.
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2020, 07:56:07 PM »

I have no faith in the media since about March. I don't think they lie about someone who has had a positive test though.  I just don't know whether to believe that what is a positive test is an actual positive test.  I can't seem to find any reliable information that states if how many days it takes after someone to test positive before they could possibly test negative.  Is it one day?  Two days? Three days?  14 days?

Were they even positive on the test they tested positive?

I realize this is a living, moving, ever changing virus that is dangerous to a select group of people, but 6-7 months into this pandemic I was hoping the world would have a better grasp on identifying it and controlling the potency of it.
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2020, 09:02:37 PM »

OK

Who is watching the Alabama vs Georgia game for #1 ranking in the country?  Or, who is watching the Houston vs Tampa Bay game to determine who goes to the World Series?
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Re: State of Sports in US -- commentary which some may see as political
« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2020, 09:39:19 PM »

Those of you who have been reading my occasional Op-Eds for a few years on this and the previous site will remember that I have some “different” and often unpopular views.  I rarely express them in public forums because some readers grow intolerant, but I feel free to do so here because we treat each other with respect.  Consequently, I feel the need to comment on something that is “peppered” throughout this thread—athletes or other “entertainment” figures speaking out or acting out on issues that they feel strongly about.

Much of what I read and hear in other media centers around kneeling during the National Anthem, a peaceful protest started by Colin Kaepernick.

Colin Kaepernick has said many times that, as a political activist protesting police brutality and racial inequality in the United States, he can preach on street corners and write Op-Eds, but his greatest stage is the football field.  He said he kneels as a way of "standing up for people who do not have a voice."  He has continually said that his protests are not about disrespecting the military or the flag.

Having said that, now I'll tell you what I think–

Freedom of speech is protected by law but guided by emotion.  The Supreme Court treats the taking a knee during the anthem as the same as speaking.  Americans don't forfeit their First Amendment rights of free speech by joining a team.  They have the legal right to speak their own opinions when they don't represent them as their employers' opinions.

So, the First Amendment gives Colin Kaepernick the right to say or act out things that some may disagree with.  And those opposed have the equal right to make opposing statements.  They don't have the right to publish their guesses at what he believes in.

I think that our Constitution was written by a small group of non-elected, landholding, slave owners who thought that their class was the only class that should be allowed to vote.  They wrote that all men are created equal; their actions showed that they truly meant all men not all people, certainly not all women, Indians or slaves.  Things that happen in the United States show me that much of this frame of mind still exists.

The reaction to actions or speech like this absolutely depends on the reactors' opinions on the subject, not necessarily on the vehicle (taking a knee during the anthem).  I suspect that in the mid 1800s women who wanted to vote would have supported Susan B. Anthony's taking a knee.  I suspect that many of you readers might have, too.

Such conflicts are rarely about the cause in question.  They are about the participants and their culture, their ideologies and their faith.  They are about sanction and censure, about whose dignity can withstand whose degradation.

We can all see that black lives in the United States are significantly different than white lives.  Colin Kaepernick and supporting athletes want to use their stage to change that.  They have the fire in their bellies.  They’re attracting attention to the injustices they want to expose.  They’re willing to make huge financial sacrifices to stand up for what they believe in.  I admire them.
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