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Ellis Island
« on: March 05, 2019, 12:41:08 PM »

I had an opportunity to visit Ellis Island over the weekend.  My wife and I were in NYC over the weekend visiting with our oldest daughter.  My wife signed us up for the Ellis Island tour on Sunday.  My grandfather was the first of his family to immigrate to the United States at the age of 23.  It was by shear coincidence that Sunday was the 114th anniversary of him arriving in America (March 3, 1905).  The Ellis Island tour helped helped fill in a lot of blanks on why he left the old country and what he was about to encounter. 

A park service ranger told a group of us about the big room where new immigrants were processed (scrutinized).  Families could be split up if any member was deemed to be strain on the public.  A senile grandparent could be sent back to their country of origin never to be seen again.  My grandfather was an officer in the army of Austria Hungary.  He was a Slovak and forced to stay in the army.  Slovaks were not treated well by their government.  He apparently connected with a coal mining company in Pennsylvania to come to work for them in return for passage to the US.  The park ranger told me he likely did not divulge this because this because the new immigrants were questioned if they already had a job lined up.  Immigration authorities tried to prevent the importation of labor for the coal mines because they were basically slave labor camps.  The longer you worked for them, the more in debt you became.  Most of these folks died in the coal mines.  She commented that another tourist a few day before said his grandfather died in the mines.  My grandfather apparently soon figured this out according to one of my uncles.  He migrated to Newark, NJ to work in factories. 

The park ranger we were talking to then had me pass by her and walk down staircase number 3 where my grandfather would have been directed to go.  She told me to swipe my foot across the first step.  She commented that I had just stepped on the place where my grandfather took his first step into America.  A very humbling experience.                     
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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2019, 02:04:05 PM »


 A most informative story.  In a way it reminds me of when we first moved to Arizona in 1952. My mother asked a neighbour if the Chang family down the street was Chinese. My mother was NOT a biased person, just curious. The neighbour replied, oh no, they are American... We North Americans are a melting pot of many nations..It's a small world.
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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2019, 02:59:56 PM »

What a great experience and story. 

My Mom's great grandparents and all their children immigrated from Norway in the late 1860's.  I just assumed they came through Ellis Island and tried to find anything I could.  In researching, I discovered that the majority of Norwegians in that time frame came down the St. Lawrence and landed in Canada and then crossed the border into the upper Midwestern states.  Her family settle in Wisconsin and North Dakota, so that may have been they way they entered.  I have never been able to find out exactly.
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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2019, 05:04:28 PM »

What a great experience and story. 

My Mom's great grandparents and all their children immigrated from Norway in the late 1860's.  I just assumed they came through Ellis Island and tried to find anything I could.  In researching, I discovered that the majority of Norwegians in that time frame came down the St. Lawrence and landed in Canada and then crossed the border into the upper Midwestern states.  Her family settle in Wisconsin and North Dakota, so that may have been they way they entered.  I have never been able to find out exactly.

My dad's father came from Sweden with his dad and brothers (one had a wife) and they came thru Philadelphia.  They came straight to MN as my great grandfather already had a sister here (near Darwin, MN).   My dad's mother came from Sweden too but she came by herself and not sure what her port of entry was.  When my dad started First Grade he could not speak English as they spoke Swedish a home.
On my mother's side her mothers parent's came from Norway and her Dad's parents came from Scotland via Canada into MN.
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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2019, 06:33:39 PM »

What a great experience and story. 

My Mom's great grandparents and all their children immigrated from Norway in the late 1860's.  I just assumed they came through Ellis Island and tried to find anything I could.  In researching, I discovered that the majority of Norwegians in that time frame came down the St. Lawrence and landed in Canada and then crossed the border into the upper Midwestern states.  Her family settle in Wisconsin and North Dakota, so that may have been they way they entered.  I have never been able to find out exactly.
I hunted several times over the years on EllisIsland.org trying to find when my grandfather on my father's side entered the country and didn't have much luck.  My cousin's wife worked on it pretty hard and finally got a hit.  Our last name was totally convoluted but close.  My grandfather first name "Ignats" was spelled as "Ignatz".  Immigrants like my grandfather did not speak English and had no written documentation other than what was provided by the steam ship.  That brings up another thing the park ranger told us.  The steam ship companies were responsible for transporting those rejected by US immigration back to the port of origin.  The steam ship companies therefore did some level of screening before leaving the port of origin.       
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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2019, 07:04:55 PM »

A great story.  Not everyone had to come through Ellis Island.  If you had wealth you could by pass the Island and enter NYC  as did my wife’s grandparents did.  Unfortunately they lost their money during the great market crash.  I was able to find my fathers parents on the list of those who came through the island but not my mother’s parents.  So I called my Mother and asked why.  She said she thought they came through Canada.  She said back then there were guoters placed on various European countries and if the guoter was met the ship was turned away.  They were told to go back however many went to Canada and that was how my Mother’ Parents entered the Country.
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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2019, 07:05:53 PM »

Very cool Joe!

My family goes back to the beginning of our nation. William Dawes is a relative, but I've no idea who came through the island.

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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2019, 07:33:21 PM »

My family goes back to the beginning of our nation. William Dawes is a relative, but I've no idea who came through the island.

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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2019, 08:22:12 PM »

My family goes back to the beginning of our nation. William Dawes is a relative, but I've no idea who came through the island.

How are you at horsemanship?

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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2019, 08:26:32 PM »

Very cool Joe!

My family goes back to the beginning of our nation. William Dawes is a relative, but I've no idea who came through the island.

My mom's side of the family is a bit different.  Her Dad was a Mclain/McLean.  They immigrated before the American revolution.  They were Scots forced to live in Northern Ireland to de-Irish the Irish.  Her mom's folks were from very southern Ireland.  I'm still trying to figure out when they immigrated.  My guess is during the potato famine.

As a side note, Ancestry DNA improved their database in September 2018.  My brother ran his DNA through them in 2017 and it was way off from what we knew.  My sample from early 2019 was spot on.
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Re: Ellis Island
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2019, 09:24:42 PM »

My family was also pre-Revolution on both sides. They came from Switzerland/Germany in the 1740's when Protestants were being persecuted. They came initially to Pennsylvania then migrated to Catawba Country North Carolina. My dad moved to California around 1940, went back, got married, and moved back to California. My mom said she didn't know you could buy chicken already plucked and cut up until she moved here.

My wife's family came from Mexico prior to WW2. Her dad worked in a Japanese internment camp and learned to speak Japanese.

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