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Kristin Meredith

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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2020, 11:44:22 AM »

I love living in a world with smart, ingenious folks.  They will find the path through for us!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8136299/Doctors-turns-one-ventilator-nine-genius-DIY-mechanics.html
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2020, 01:10:49 PM »

I manage a supermarket, I can tell you that I am more concerned about the possibility of riots than I am about the virus.
We keep hearing that there is plenty of food and needed supplies in the supply chain. Don't panic buy, don't stock up, etc. The problem is that all of this food is still in route, not at the stores.
We have received 4 deliveries in the past 6 days with a total of 13 cases of toilet paper on them. The paper is out there, they just can't get it to us.
Same goes for the food. We have been able to get dairy and meat because most of that is produced locally so the producers are selling to brokers in our region. The items that are transported further distances have more obstacles to overcome to get here.
I jokingly envision a Mad Max scenario where people are hijacking loads of Charmin instead of fuel.
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2020, 01:38:57 PM »

Just curious, how long would 13 cases of TP normally last in your store?
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2020, 01:55:33 PM »

Every time my wife goes to Sam's she asks if I need anything and I tell her beer and toilet paper because I don't want to run out of either one.  I happened to make the last trip there about a week before the panic started.  We had enough toilet paper to last two and maybe three weeks with the three girls here, but I figured while I'm there I'll get some.  It's not like it'll spoil.  I got in trouble as I expected I would, but now they're glad I got it on a whim.  We're going through it faster than expected since all three of them are home from school all day, although my wife has to go to the school she works at occasionally.
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2020, 02:59:38 PM »

Just curious, how long would 13 cases of TP normally last in your store?

Well, assuming a case of 4 pack rolls that is 624 units.
I would say normally people buy 1-2 packages at a time (my store has a high percentage of people on foot).
I would guess 13 cases would last close to 4 or 5 days, assuming regular price (no ads).
Of the 4 deliveries I mentioned we received no TP on 2 of them, 5 on one and 8 on the other - they were sold out within 30 minutes each time.
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2020, 03:17:33 PM »

Does the World really believe that there are roughly 250,000 cases of this?  There are probably 6 million in the US alone.  That is how silly the panic is, and how futile it is to try and contain it with such asinine measures!
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2020, 04:48:31 PM »

The time to contain it was in early January when the intelligence community first alerted Trump of the problem. Another option would have been to listen to Bill Gates in 2015 when he warned of the potential problem and appealed for better preparedness against global viruses
( https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/We-Are-Not-Ready-for-the-Next-Epidemic ).  :2cents:
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2020, 07:12:59 PM »

The time to contain it was in early January when the intelligence community first alerted Trump of the problem.

Yeah. Another load of Fake News headed our way! Just what we need!
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2020, 07:28:35 PM »

Yep, I agree, its all fake news, we should all just go about our business as normal and ignore all of the asinine measures .
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2020, 07:50:30 PM »

The time to contain it was in early January when the intelligence community first alerted Trump of the problem.

Yeah. Another load of Fake News headed our way! Just what we need!
Right on.  Since this site is not appropriate, I will not print what I am thinking. But hope to see some response from the editor. 
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2020, 08:34:17 PM »

I think the phrase...Question authority...applies now.
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2020, 10:20:59 PM »

I guess I think there is a middle ground and we, as a country, are unable to find or follow that right now and that is going to cost us greatly.  Example:  from a news story today---

"Fauci was asked about one of Trump’s tweets on Saturday morning, in which the president said that two available drugs “taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.”
“I’m not totally sure what the president was referring to,” Fauci said, after Trump had left the podium and his aides continued briefing reporters. But he said he believed Trump was referring to a single, anecdotal study that showed that a combination of the drugs hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial, and azithromycin, an antibiotic, were effective in combating coronavirus infection.

“There are those who lean to the point of giving hope and saying, ‘Give that person the option of having access to that drug,’ ” Fauci said. “And then you have the other group, which is my job as a scientist, to say my job is to ultimately prove without a doubt that a drug is not only safe, but that it actually works.”


Do I think the President has a clue about these drugs and how they work?  No.  But I also think Dr. Fauci's approach is a very academic, ivory tower, let me study this and tell you all about it 3 years from now which is not helpful.  His business is to be a very conservative, academic scientist, not a problem solver. Yet he is put in charge and allowed to be the mouthpiece which is also not helpful.

So who do I like to try and read about and hear from -- the medical folks in the trenches.  The doctors who are having to treat patients and are using these drugs to combat things and maybe having success. The guys using the malaria medicines with success -- it might be anecdotal, but it seems to be saving some lives so why not try it if the treating doctor thinks it is worthwhile. I think they should also be allowed to use the Japanese drug favipiravin, which the Chinese found reduced the time of illness from 11 days to 4 -- but I haven't heard a peep by Dr. Fauci about that because it has not gone thru the 3 year process of study.  They want us to act as if this is a war, but then they act as if this is an afternoon tea.  Governor Cuomo gets on TV and wails about how he is so afraid they will run out of ventilators when there is a doctor in Canada who has shown how you can rig one ventilator to service 9 people.  He is solving a problem, not hyping fear.

I guess I don't have a lot of confidence in how anything is being handled right now.  The pols are all pretty stupid and run around wringing their hands and don't want headlines that say they let thousands of people die -- but they can't seem to figure out that their actions are also dooming the country to economic collapse and seeing people be out of work and lots of folks never able to recover. And maybe even worse.  I lived through the LA riots, it does not take much to set off angry, desperate people. And there is a story every day about how guns and ammo are selling like hotcakes. The "scientists" want to treat this as their day in the sun to really be able to show their knowledge and control folks like a petri dish.  But we are a living society and their dynamics don't work.  And the news media is just looking for the most sensational headline it can find and doesn't care if they forment fear and panic -- gotta gets those clicks!

I guess I sound cold and brutal, but at times like these I think Spock had it right:  "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few -- or the one."  And I fall into the age and health category of the "few" (i.e higher risk) with respect to COVID-19. So I take precautions as advised, but I would not have society shut down to protect me or the 1.4% who could die because there are millions and millions who need to live and have a future worth living for -- not one filled with fear and hardship.

I think about what life might be like if all those GI's has said "I'm not going" to whatever war was threatening our way of life.  Some died, some were injured, some came out traumatised -- but society benefited by their sacrifice and courage.  I am not seeing a lot of courage in Americans right now.  But I am willing to be a soldier and sacrifice if I am called to do that for the folks younger than me because I have had a good, properous life and I want that for them also and not years of shambles and fear and wondering how they will feed and shelter their kids and provide a decent life for them.  So I wish we would all just move forward with sense and precautions, but also with courage and selflessness.
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2020, 10:47:24 PM »

A big +1 on Kristin's statement. Too much hysteria, not enough common sense.
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2020, 11:47:28 PM »

I think Dr. Fauci finally agreed that he could accept seeing private doctors using the already legal drugs like chloroquine on patients and providing data and results to CDC.  He would not be willing to recommend (officially) these drugs until adequate parameters were satisfied BUT since they are legal drugs available to the medical profession, they could be used.  I can tell you that there are already many patients receiving these meds across the US.  If used in safe dosages they are relatively safe drugs, and I am sure that obtaining permission from the patients or their families is being done. I agree that the President probably does not know much about the science, BUT like he said. "What the xxxx do you have to lose." Chloroquine was discovered in 1934 and has been used since the 1940's with a very low risk profile. And I will tell you something else--he is a very intelligent man (contrary to the opinions of his detractors) and questions everything in much detail. I am told he listens carefully and learns quickly from his advisors. And I have already asked my physician to use the drug for me and my wife if we contract the disease, (even if mild). The famous specialist in southern France, Dr. Raoult did a peer reviewed double blind study which was remarkable.  See below:
 
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-researcher-in-Marseille-posts-successful-Covid-19-coronavirus-drug-trial-results

Please note the comment also of the testing of the drug for prophylaxis.  I am very optimistic. 
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Re: Over the cliff
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2020, 12:57:08 PM »

+2 with Kristin.
Calm down and take a few deep breaths. 
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