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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Non food Related => Topic started by: okie smokie on January 12, 2021, 01:20:08 PM
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My wife and I received our first dose on Jan 7, and are scheduled for the booster on Jan 28th. Our doctor only received 10 doses on that day, and we were on a list of folks eligible because of age and health. Outdoor setup and smooth process. No side effects except sl. sore arm the next AM. I am told that there is more common discomfort, and perhaps some chill and slight fever with the booster dose, but I would expect that. Just proves that you have some early antibody production. How many of our PF's have gotten shots yet? Would like to know what kind of reactions occur etc. From what I can read, this vaccine has been very mild on side effects. Hope you all are getting it soon if you desire. We are still shattering all records on the number of new cases and deaths per day in my area, so we need to get it done!!!
Stay well to all.
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I am not eligible yet. My parents, who are 76 and 75, are scheduled for their first shot on Jan 25th.
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We registered, but are in phase 3 (70+).
They are currently doing phase 2 shots here (75+ I think).
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We are part of a 5 county health district which includes the regional hospital. We received a few thousand doses about 1 months ago. Our front line health care workers in the 5 counties (hospital, free clinics, etc) were to receive theirs first. After 3 weeks, only 135 people in 5 counties had been vaccinated with an acknowledgement that a lot of the health care workers did not want to be in the first rounds of shots.
So, just today they have decided to vaccinate folks living in nursing homes and assisted living and the people who work in those facilities. Not all adults over a certain age, just folks living in a care setting. I have no idea when they will move to group "1b" which is suppose to be first responders, other medical personnel, teachers, essential workers and those over 75. They seem awful slow in our area. At 64, I think I fall in the last "general population group" so have no clue how long a wait.
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PA just moved to the group 1B that you mentioned, Kristin.
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Marcia and I are both over 75 and we each have more than one health issue that evidently puts us in a fairly early group. There hasn't yet been any public announcement about the schedule.
As I understand, the federal government has delivered the vaccine to the states and it's up to the individual states to distribute it. Our addled governor (owned Ameritrade and acquired TD Waterhouse for merge) is probably still trying to figure out how to inoculate his wealthy cronies first. His only public statement has been that he won't provide the free inoculations to people who can't prove U.S. citizenship.
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My GF works in an office a hospital. She got her first shot maybe a week ago.
I am still trying to decide if i even want one.
I could be wrong but I though I had read just because you get the vaccine doesn't mean you still can't catch the virus.
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Alabama is going backwards. They tried a phone system with one number for the entire state and it locked up.
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Alabama is going backwards. They tried a phone system with one number for the entire state and it locked up.
They never went forward. I have relatives there, they don't worry it's all a hoax.
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I am scheduled to receive my first shot this Saturday
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I just received this news:
"The Trump administration on Tuesday asked states to speed up delivery of COVID-19 vaccines to people 65 and older and to others at high risk by no longer holding back the second dose of the two-dose shots.
Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said that “the administration in the states has been too narrowly focused.â€
Each state has its own plan for who should be vaccinated, based on recommendations from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC recommendations give first priority to health care workers and nursing home residents.
The slow pace of the vaccine rollout has frustrated many Americans at a time when the coronavirus death toll has continued to rise.
Azar said it was now time to expand the pool of those eligible to get the first dose as well as the number of places where people can be vaccinated, such as community health centers and additional drug stores."
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I could be wrong but I though I had read just because you get the vaccine doesn't mean you still can't catch the virus.
The first dose takes a few days to kick in and only gives 50% immunity. So you can, and some folks have, caught the virus after the first dose. I think, even after the second dose there may be 2 or 3 days after before full immunity kicks in. So it is definitely a long process.
I have a friend who lives close to the Tenn side of Bristol. Her county announced shots for those over 75 and she was able to sign her husband up. She said they had 1300 slots open and 11,000 requests. So it irritates me VERY MUCH that I see that there are 27.7 million doses which have been distributed but only 9.3 million who have received one dose and 530,000 who have received both. There are plenty who want it, so stop with all these fancy levels and just open it up if you are having problems scheduling people appropriately. As the 11,000 requests demonstrate, you have lots out there who can probably make their way to a fire station or pharmacy for a shot.
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A big problem as I see if for administering the shots is time.
If a Nurse can do 1 every 5 minutes (which I doubt) that is only 15 in an hour.
No doubt you have to read the paperwork just like when you get a regular flu shot, and Insurance has to be checked (they want to get paid).
The CVS Pharmacy by us has only one person that administers shots.
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I get my first shot this Friday (75+). In Phoenix, they started 10 drive through lanes that operate 24/7, each lane gives a shot every three minutes. They claim that when it's fully implemented, they can give 6000 shots/day. :cool:
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Alabama is going backwards. They tried a phone system with one number for the entire state and it locked up.
They never went forward. I have relatives there, they don't worry it's all a hoax.
They had over a million calls for the shot the first day.
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No doubt you have to read the paperwork just like when you get a regular flu shot, and Insurance has to be checked (they want to get paid).
There is no charge for Covid-19 shots here.
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I'm just glad I'm in the group that gets the shot before all the prisoners in jail get theirs.
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Her in WI it's slow going so far. My mother is in assisted living and they haven't even heard when they will be seeing the first vaccines. So I'm sure for me at 65 it will be quite some time before I see it.
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Guess I am the one of the outlier's who has no intention of getting one.
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I got my second today. Working an ambulance that serves 4 rehab facilities makes it a no brainer.
As far as the comments about it not guaranteeing you won’t catch COVID, well, no it won’t. It is 95% effective though. Better rate then polio at two doses.
My only problem is I now hear windows start up every morning!
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I get my first shot this Friday (75+). In Phoenix, they started 10 drive through lanes that operate 24/7, each lane gives a shot every three minutes. They claim that when it's fully implemented, they can give 6000 shots/day. :cool:
It would take 100 days just to give 600K. Hopefully more places will be opened as well. It would be worth while to get as much feedback as possible from our group. Stay well everyone!
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Guess I am the one of the outlier's who has no intention of getting one.
I am not far from you. i have no desire to get one.
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Guess I am the one of the outlier's who has no intention of getting one.
I am not far from you. i have no desire to get one.
I know a few people who don't believe in vaccines. They have no desire to get any vaccines ever.
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My sister got her second dose last Friday at the hospital she works at. She felt bad for about eight hours on Saturday morning and much better on Sunday. Not 100% on Sunday but she could have gone to work if she wasn't off. Apparently the Mimosa she had late Saturday morning helped and then the Margarita in the early evening was the cure all. The symptoms were right in line with the ones her coworkers had that had participated in the trial and didn't get the placebo.
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My wife had to get one for her work, (hospital). Her 2nd one is in 10 days. As for me, at least so far, I am not interested. My Cardiologist is in total disagreement with me. Might change my mind but I doubt it.
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I want to travel the country again in my rv and I won't until my wife and I get the shots. But at the rate Alabama is going it will be late spring or summer before we get them. I am 69 and my wife turns 65 in July.
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For me it has nothing to do with a belief in it. I am sure it is both safe and mostly effective. I don't get the flu, why would I take a flu shot? I have taken zero precautions to avoid this infection. I am in a "high risk" group, I have traveled, I have mixed with others for 11 months, and yet I have not been infected. For me it would be like taking a powder to gain weight, why would I want to do that?
I know a few people who don't believe in vaccines. They have no desire to get any vaccines ever.
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For me it has nothing to do with a belief in it. I am sure it is both safe and mostly effective. I don't get the flu, why would I take a flu shot? I have taken zero precautions to avoid this infection. I am in a "high risk" group, I have traveled, I have mixed with others for 11 months, and yet I have not been infected. For me it would be like taking a powder to gain weight, why would I want to do that?
I know a few people who don't believe in vaccines. They have no desire to get any vaccines ever.
Everyone has their reasons for taking or not taking the vaccine and that is their right. I have never had the Flu and I still get the Flu shot, but that is what I like to do.
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It would take 100 days just to give 600K.
I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear, the site that I was referring to is only the largest, there are many more throughout the county. Even Safeway will be giving the shots shortly.
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Lots of press on this becoming an endemic today. Not sure this is the right messaging?
Hey humanity is going to be fine, but with slow vaccine rollout, a bunch of people will die, but it will normalize in a few years ... like the flu.
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Still waiting here in Canada... Some, very few health care workers and seniors in group homes have received round 1.. A concern I have is round 2, timing and availability. The whole program is a major
logistics nightmare.
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Still waiting here in Canada... Some, very few health care workers and seniors in group homes have received round 1.. A concern I have is round 2, timing and availability. The whole program is a major
logistics nightmare.
I think round two here in the U.S. might be pretty tough as well. The incoming president said he is going to release all of the vaccines and not hold any back for round two. I'm getting a little worried that the most vulnerable won't be able to get a round two in a timely fashion. My dad falls into this category.
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Still waiting here in Canada... Some, very few health care workers and seniors in group homes have received round 1.. A concern I have is round 2, timing and availability. The whole program is a major
logistics nightmare.
I think round two here in the U.S. might be pretty tough as well. The incoming president said he is going to release all of the vaccines and not hold any back for round two. I'm getting a little worried that the most vulnerable won't be able to get a round two in a timely fashion. My dad falls into this category.
That is interesting because I just read that Trump had released all of the vaccines and is not holding any back for round two. And that his administration said all states should start giving the vaccines to anyone 65+ right away.
Another example of the media creating whatever story gets them more clicks.
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I haven't heard anything about what happens if you don't get the second shot at the specified time.
Starting all over ? ? ?
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Still waiting here in Canada... Some, very few health care workers and seniors in group homes have received round 1.. A concern I have is round 2, timing and availability. The whole program is a major
logistics nightmare.
I think round two here in the U.S. might be pretty tough as well. The incoming president said he is going to release all of the vaccines and not hold any back for round two. I'm getting a little worried that the most vulnerable won't be able to get a round two in a timely fashion. My dad falls into this category.
That is interesting because I just read that Trump had released all of the vaccines and is not holding any back for round two. And that his administration said all states should start giving the vaccines to anyone 65+ right away.
Another example of the media creating whatever story gets them more clicks.
The news does like to create, but I did hear this from Biden in a speech, so I'm confident this wasn't fake news. He was saying he would release it all rather than hold it back like the current administration.
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I asked my doctor about the possibility of not having doses for the 2nd shot. He said that our clinic is holding one booster in storage for each first dose given. Hope that is so. Biggest problem we all have is that there are not enough people on the front lines to give the shots. The blame for that goes right to the states. They had plenty of time to figure out those logistics IMO. I note that Florida is moving right along with better delivery. They seemed to have done most things right, including not shutting down. (I don't live there). Part of the problem with this Pfizer vaccine is the requirement for very cold storage, which most facilities cannot provide without buying new expensive equipment. I do not know how much time after defrost that the product is fully effective. Lotsa problems. Wishing for better news and soon.
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I haven't heard anything about what happens if you don't get the second shot at the specified time.
Starting all over ? ? ?
This is from the CDC stating that if the second dose is administered after the 3 or 4 week time period it is still effective.
Administration
The mRNA COVID-19 vaccine series consist of two doses administered intramuscularly:
Pfizer-BioNTech (30 µg, 0.3 ml each): 3 weeks (21 days) apart
Moderna (100 µg, 0.5 ml): 1 month (28 days) apart
Persons should not be scheduled to receive the second dose earlier than recommended (i.e., 3 weeks [Pfizer-BioNTech] or 1 month [Moderna]). However, second doses administered within a grace period of 4 days earlier than the recommended date for the second dose are still considered valid. Doses inadvertently administered earlier than the grace period do not need to be repeated. There is no maximum interval between the first and second doses for either vaccine. Therefore, if the second dose is administered >3 weeks after the first Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine dose or >1 month after the first Moderna vaccine dose, there is no need to restart the series. Vaccine administration errors should be reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).
Here is the lick to the article. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/clinical-considerations.html
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My wife works in an elementary school and is coming up soon for eligibility. She will probably get. I don't have any intentions of getting it, at least not anytime soon. Someone that needs it, or is scared to participate without it, can have all available doses before I would even consider it. I can go years without getting the common cold. My wife and kids can all be sick and I never catch what they have. I am also not in any risk category to be concerned. Best of luck to those who are receiving it, hopefully we can get back to full participation again sooner rather than later. If I never see someone in a mask again, outside of a hospital care workers, I will be a lot more at ease.
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My wife works in an elementary school and is coming up soon for eligibility. She will probably get. I don't have any intentions of getting it, at least not anytime soon. Someone that needs it, or is scared to participate without it, can have all available doses before I would even consider it. I can go years without getting the common cold. My wife and kids can all be sick and I never catch what they have. I am also not in any risk category to be concerned. Best of luck to those who are receiving it, hopefully we can get back to full participation again sooner rather than later. If I never see someone in a mask again, outside of a hospital care workers, I will be a lot more at ease.
yes this is tough. My wife is also an elementary school teacher. While she has been doing all her zoom classes in the school facility (it's 1.5 miles from our house and she feels more equipped to teach there) she goes Jan 25th face to face with her kids. Per WA govt guidance, she'll be lucky to get her first dose in April as she's under 50. Me maybe in the summer.
With this logic, opening schools (which my wife supports) during the biggest spike in the virus ever, we should have just opened schools last September. My Covid bubble will go from about 20 people, to minimum 400 overnight. I'll still wear a mask when out, but ... I don't even know what to say ... we're headed towards endemic.
On a somewhat related note, post Jan 25th, I see no reason to limit my activities (while masked) like restaurants and pubs to support local business and seeing friends again (max 6 people).
DK :2cents:
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My wife works in an elementary school and is coming up soon for eligibility. She will probably get. I don't have any intentions of getting it, at least not anytime soon. Someone that needs it, or is scared to participate without it, can have all available doses before I would even consider it. I can go years without getting the common cold. My wife and kids can all be sick and I never catch what they have. I am also not in any risk category to be concerned. Best of luck to those who are receiving it, hopefully we can get back to full participation again sooner rather than later. If I never see someone in a mask again, outside of a hospital care workers, I will be a lot more at ease.
yes this is tough. My wife is also an elementary school teacher. While she has been doing all her zoom classes in the school facility (it's 1.5 miles from our house and she feels more equipped to teach there) she goes Jan 25th face to face with her kids. Per WA govt guidance, she'll be lucky to get her first dose in April as she's under 50. Me maybe in the summer.
With this logic, opening schools (which my wife supports) during the biggest spike in the virus ever, we should have just opened schools last September. My Covid bubble will go from about 20 people, to minimum 400 overnight. I'll still wear a mask when out, but ... I don't even know what to say ... we're headed towards endemic.
On a somewhat related note, post Jan 25th, I see no reason to limit my activities (while masked) like restaurants and pubs to support local business and seeing friends again (max 6 people).
DK :2cents:
My wife has been face to face since the beginning of the school year (last August). My 2 kids are in 2 different schools that have been full time face to face since the start too. The high school has close to 1400 people in it. They have had cases of both kids and teachers being quarantined for contraction. As a percentage though, they are under the general population. Kids do not seem to spread it like adults. Most of the faculty who have contracted it have been traced to after hours get togethers. My wife works in the special ed room with 2 other teachers. One of them came to work sick, after a family get together, and later that day found out she had tested positive....my wife never contracted it and neither did the kids the aid was working with.
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And they would give it to me before your wife because I am obese, yeah, that makes a lot of sense!
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Here in AZ, obese doesn't seem to qualify, only COPD, heart disease, diabetes and chronic kidney disease. They open eligibility to over 65 next Tuesday.
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I couldn't figure out how to get this to show up good on here so I will just post the link to the PA vaccine priority ranking system. Teachers are before obese. It says we are in phase 1A, but my county has moved to 1B.
https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Vaccine.aspx
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My local ABC TV station emails me updates on the virus.
Here is the latest:
COVID-19 is now killing faster than at any point in 2020. And the new year just started.
The U.S. reported its highest number of COVID-19 deaths in one day Tuesday: 4,327, according to Johns Hopkins University.
The five highest daily tallies for new infections and new deaths have all occurred in 2021.
Over the past week, the U.S. has averaged more than 3,300 deaths per day, a jump of more than 217% from mid-November.
Many experts aren’t surprised after widespread holiday gatherings, casual get-togethers with friends and weeks of record-high hospitalization numbers.
More than 131,300 people are now hospitalized with COVID-19, according to the COVID Tracking Project.
Clinical Nurse Zachary Petterson tends to a COVID-19 patient in the intensive care unit at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center during the coronavirus pandemic in San Jose, Calif., Wednesday, Jan. 13, 2021. (AP Photo/Jeff Chiu)
Although vaccinations continue to lag behind predictions, health experts are begging Americans to hunker down in their bubbles for these next few months as soaring hospitalizations lead to record daily deaths.
Climbing case numbers will likely continue this winter, but better months are coming, according to Dr. Paul Offitt, a member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.
Mass vaccinations, warmer weather, a new presidential administration and a population building immunity could lead to a “dramatically better†summer, he said.
Two “remarkably effective†vaccines are already being administered, and two more vaccines — from Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca — “are right around the corner,†Offitt said.
If another 55% to 60% of the population can be vaccinated — something Offit said can be done if the U.S. gives 1 million to 1.5 million doses a day — “then I really do think that by June, we can stop the spread of this virus.â€
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I'm 75 and in Michigan.
I'm registered and haven't heard anything about scheduling an appointment.
I am, however, very encouraged by people like Bentley and BigDave83 who aren't planning on getting a vacine.
How good is that? Bring it on!
That makes the line shorter for me and others who want one.
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The news does like to create, but I did hear this from Biden in a speech, so I'm confident this wasn't fake news. He was saying he would release it all rather than hold it back like the current administration.
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The current admin released all the doses several days ago, after Dr. Fauchi told them it looked like manufacturing was going well enough to do so. Nobody has told the incoming prez, apparently.
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Got my first shot Friday, I'll schedule my second one this Tuesday for Feb. 5th. Once I have the second one, I'll continue to social distance and wear a mask but won't be as hesitant to leave the house or visit a restaurant.
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Got my first shot Friday, I'll schedule my second one this Tuesday for Feb. 5th. Once I have the second one, I'll continue to social distance and wear a mask but won't be as hesitant to leave the house or visit a restaurant.
I'm getting reports of many of my friends (old folks) are getting or are lined up for the first in series. Credit is a moot point now IMO. I'm 10 days post shot #1 but still masking and distancing.
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I figured I would probably be in one of the very last groups of people to receive the vaccine. Where I live there is a huge waiting list of people that have applied for it versus the number of available doses.
Yesterday I received an e-mail from a nursing home that I volunteer with. They said they are vaccinating their staff and patients next week. They also had enough doses that they could offer the shots to their volunteers. So it looks like I will get one on Tuesday. I did wonder if I was "cutting in line" in front of others who may be more in need. If it was just about me I would wait. However, given the number of vulnerable people that I come into regular contact with, I do think that getting vaccinated will give me (and the folks that I meet with) a bit more peace of mind.
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I qualify to get the vaccine now in PA due to being super obese via BMI calculations. I have decided right now to wait a bit until others that may need it more than I think I do get theirs. That may change in a few weeks as I want to travel in early April so I would like to get both shots by then.
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Tuesday morning, both my wife and I were able to schedule our shots on 2/9, my second one and her first one. By Wednesday morning, there were no more slots open in February. AZ has opened several mega facilities but there is just not enough vaccine to meet the demand. :(
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AZ has opened several mega facilities but there is just not enough vaccine to meet the demand. :(
Apparently, PA is getting to be in a similar situation with many more places opening up to get the shots, but limited supply available.
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Visited today with half a dozen of my golf friends. All but one have had the first shot and have appointments for the second. Some Pfizer and some Moderna. With the soon to be released J&J vaccine, we should be well on the way to national control in the next few months. Thanks to all that have helped make it happen and I mean all. Beginning to see a decline in the high numbers of new cases and deaths here in Oklahoma (hope this is a true trend). For those of you who cannot or will not take the vaccine, ask your doctors about Ivermectin to use as prophylaxis. This one is a winner. Old drug, new use. Very safe profile. Over a million doses a day worldwide, and billions of doses in the past 40 years. (for worms and intestinal parasites). And cheap. You only take two doses for the first month and then one dose a month later for a coverage of 60 days. Long term use has not yet been advised, but the NIH has agreed that it is a safe drug and the studies are very positive for prophylaxis and for all stages of the disease. Less cases, shorter hospital stays, less deaths. Almost all the side effects listed do not have percentages listed, which means that they are less than 1%. (the rule on drug studies is that ALL side effects reported must be listed, But % are not required below 1%) So even if someone says it made my left ear turn green, that should be reported, but with no percentage listed unless there were enough of this complaint to exceed 1% of the whole test group. Please know that some of the less that 1% complaints may be neurotic in origin or coincidental.Please forgive me if I am repeating what you already know. Things are looking up!
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Alabama is still following the 75+ age restriction where neighboring states are following the 65+ restrictions. I am 69, so no shot for me yet and at the rate Alabama is going it will be months before I get one.
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Apparently NM is not following the guidelines that "they" set.
A friend of ours, in her 50's, has gotten the shot already.
Wife and I are registered and both over 70 (the 2nd group) and have not gotten it.
She's a Realtor, so doesn't fall in any special classification.
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Unfortunately there is no common strategy on how this vaccine should be delivered. It appears each state, county city are implementing as they see fit and not necessarily in the interest of the citizen. I called two different places in my county and got to totally different answers to the same question. also in some states they are giving the vaccine to prisoners before other citizens. the argument is they are being released into the populace. I will end here as I am very frustrated because i cannot register my wife for her shot.
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Unfortunately there is no common strategy on how this vaccine should be delivered. It appears each state, county city are implementing as they see fit and not necessarily in the interest of the citizen. I called two different places in my county and got to totally different answers to the same question. also in some states they are giving the vaccine to prisoners before other citizens. the argument is they are being released into the populace. I will end here as I am very frustrated because i cannot register my wife for her shot.
Just a "for what it is worth". A friend of mine started calling smaller cities at some distance to his home. He was told he could come to McAlester, Ok. as they had vaccine and no lines. He went the next day and got his first shot. Another took a 3+ hr drive to a small town medical center and got his also. You might try that idea. Besides a nice road trip will break the boredom.? Best wishes. ???
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Yes, my mother in law drove about an hour plus to get her shot as the town she lives in does not have it available, but that town did so she booked an appointment.
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Getting the vaccine is like finding a Playstation 5 for my son for Christmas. I'm 65+ in the SF bay area. I saw my health provider system opened up appointments for the vaccine this week. The only catch was that appointments were only available in Palo Alto and San Jose. I live in the East Bay. Ok so I got an appointment for 2/25/2021 in San Jose. Today, my brother-in-law scored an appointment in my town for 2/5/2021. He lives in San Jose. He couldn't get one there. I figured they just opened my area so my original appointment was cancelled and got one in my area for 2/8/2021.
You may wonder why I am so intense about this. There are a number of people in my neighborhood that walk their dogs during the day. Almost everyday I run into two elderly women that are walking companions. They live with their children in the neighborhood. Today, one of the two walked up to me and announced her friend had passed from Covid a few weeks ago. She lived on the next block over from me. Covid got very real for me today.
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Who has received the 2nd dose? Side effects? Usually a second dose will cause more side effects, i.e. fever, chills, sore arm, headache. Pretty normal to expect for many people, while many also will have no significant change. Any of you have info on your second shot? I get mine tomorrow.
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None on the second, but my mother-in-law and a friend of hers had some side effects like a light case of normal flu for a day. They were told that people who already had covid have higher chance of side effects than those who didn't. They both had covid in May.
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Who has received the 2nd dose? Side effects? Usually a second dose will cause more side effects, i.e. fever, chills, sore arm, headache. Pretty normal to expect for many people, while many also will have no significant change. Any of you have info on your second shot? I get mine tomorrow.
I got my second two weeks ago (health care worker). Had a fever that night and aches. No worse then what the flu shot causes. Some coworkers felt a lack of energy for a day. Overall we’re pretty much 50/50 with no symptoms to some symptoms.
I looked at it as a positive reaction from my immune system and a reassurance the vaccine did it’s job.
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Who has received the 2nd dose? Side effects? Usually a second dose will cause more side effects, i.e. fever, chills, sore arm, headache. Pretty normal to expect for many people, while many also will have no significant change. Any of you have info on your second shot? I get mine tomorrow.
I got my second two weeks ago (health care worker). Had a fever that night and aches. No worse then what the flu shot causes. Some coworkers felt a lack of energy for a day. Overall we’re pretty much 50/50 with no symptoms to some symptoms.
I looked at it as a positive reaction from my immune system and a reassurance the vaccine did it’s job.
I agree. Having some reaction to the second dose is a good sign. My wife and I had the shot on the 28th yesterday and she has had mild headache over night, and some mild nausea today. I only had some mild nausea the afternoon. I ate a bacon and egg sandwich a while ago and noted that it was not as tasty as normal. Especially the bacon was almost tasteless. Smell seemed diminished as well. Same bacon was very tasty the day before. Anyone else noted decrease or change in taste or smell (they are related). Otherwise I am fine tonight.
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My father-in-law got the shot about two weeks ago, and tested positive for covid today after not feeling well for about 3 days. He is 76. He has not idea where he may have contacted it.
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My father-in-law got the shot about two weeks ago, and tested positive for covid today after not feeling well for about 3 days. He is 76. He has not idea where he may have contacted it.
When I received my first shot two weeks ago the nurse told me that probably about 10 percent of those who received the shot that day had the virus however they did not know it.
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My father-in-law got the shot about two weeks ago, and tested positive for covid today after not feeling well for about 3 days. He is 76. He has not idea where he may have contacted it.
When I received my first shot two weeks ago the nurse told me that probably about 10 percent of those who received the shot that day had the virus however they did not know it.
That is quite possible. My comment was not to disparage getting the shot. I was simply stating the facts related to my relative. I am one that is qualified for getting the vaccine in my state under the current guidelines, but there are not enough shots available right now for those older than me.
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I got the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine today, and I'm scheduled to get the second Feb 19th. They were set up in football stadium parking lot, and they were directing drivers into three different lines. At the start of each line they gave you a clipboard with some paperwork and a vaccination card card showing the type vaccine received, date, and space to fill in any subsequent vaccinations. A little further up They took the release form and gave info on the vaccine, and the next stop you rolled down your window, and the nurse gave you the jab. They then directed you to a place to park. We were told to wait 15 minutes. I waited about eight, and when no one was looking, I left. I have never had any type of reaction to any vaccine, and I didn't figure this would be ant different.
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When I received my first shot two weeks ago the nurse told me that probably about 10 percent of those who received the shot that day had the virus however they did not know it.
That is quite possible. My comment was not to disparage getting the shot. I was simply stating the facts related to my relative. I am one that is qualified for getting the vaccine in my state under the current guidelines, but there are not enough shots available right now for those older than me.
In no way did I take your post to mean that. It was only to make a comment that even if you receive the shot it may not prevent those who have the underlying symptoms from getting the virus. However please understand I have no basis in facts regarding this.
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I went to Disneyland today, but not for the amusement park. My wife and I got our first doses of the Moderna vaccine. It was a surprise. We were checking the "virtual waiting room" daily to see when our turns would come up. At 6:30 in the morning we got an email and made an appointment for the same day. We only had a choice of today or tomorrow. This is an example of just-in-time scheduling. It was a big operation; very well run. They obviously studied queuing theory. They were very careful to make sure there was no fraud. We had our drivers licensed checked five times as we went through the flow. The picture shows the stations where medical information is taken. From there we continue to the medical tents where the shots are given. There were hundreds of people. You can't tell from the picture.
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I went to Disneyland today, but not for the amusement park. My wife and I got our first doses of the Moderna vaccine. It was a surprise. We were checking the "virtual waiting room" daily to see when our turns would come up. At 6:30 in the morning we got an email and made an appointment for the same day. We only had a choice of today or tomorrow. This is an example of just-in-time scheduling. It was a big operation; very well run. They obviously studied queuing theory. They were very careful to make sure there was no fraud. We had our drivers licensed checked five times as we went through the flow. The picture shows the stations where medical information is taken. From there we continue to the medical tents where the shots are given. There were hundreds of people. You can't tell from the picture.
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Good deal. I see in the pictures people had chairs. How long was the wait? The long lines and waiting time is one thing that is holding me back when my age group comes up next week. The "clinic" I would go (if I go) to would be a drive-thru. People are lining up the night before for these. What are they doing for restrooms? Another issue for me is I am selling my house and I don't know if I would be here to get the second shot or not.
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In response to your questions,
The wait was not bad. It took a little over two hours including entry, parking, going through the process, leaving the parking lot. They ran four queues with appointments at 15 minute intervals for each group. The groups were large. Maybe a couple hundred folks in each. When you showed up, you got into the queue for the time of your appointment. We got there early so our queue was the latest appointment time of the four. We now know that we don't have to get there quite as early next time. You waited in queue until your group was released into the flow. We were released less than 10 minutes after our appointment time, which was not bad. After that things moved steadily through ID checks, temperature checks, health review, the shot, and a 15 minute wait at the end to make sure there are not side effects. I think you can move and register from your new location. The registration would be for the second shot. I don't know for sure since the rollout is still locally controlled. Some folks had chairs with them. They were only need during the initial wait in the queues. Most folks did not have, or need chairs, but there was ample room if you did. They kept folks separated.
I like the idea of drive through. That is what they are doing at Dodger Stadium for the folks in Los Angeles County. I am in Orange County near the Los Angeles County border, so we have Disneyland and SOKA University. Disneyland was walkthrough. I am not sure about SOKA. I was not sure which type Disneyland was going to be until we got some info in the morning from someone who had been there. There were a large number of portable outhouses on both ends: the beginning where the queues were, and at the end in the post shot waiting area.
The key to limiting wait time and creating order is that appointments must be made. Appointments for our county were managed using the Othena medical app. We register in the app and were put in a virtual waiting room. We were then told to check daily to see if appointments were open to be scheduled. We waited for a little over two weeks and then got an early morning email that we could schedule. Appointments were opened for that day and the next. We signed up for the first available. This method avoided the long lines you get with first come, first served, which would not work with the millions of folks we have in our area.
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I was able to get the first dose of Pfizer yesterday without any wait at all from the Carlsbad (CA) Fire department with no wait at all. About half the time was going through five check-in points, then getting the shot, and waiting for 15 minutes to make sure I didn't have any negative reactions.
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We are part of a 5 county health district. The state of Virginia is broken up into these health districts for public health purposes and the allotment of doses which the state receives are then doled out to the health districts, supposedly based on population. Our health district has about 180,000 to 190,000 people in it. Today, the director of our district announced that we have "tens of thousands of people" who have signed up for the first two groups (1a and 1b) and that, in the next 6 to 8 weeks, we would be receiving 2,100 doses per week to distribute. xxxx will freeze over before they get to me -- and I am in the "third group" which is still prioritized over the general population!!!!
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Got this today, Gwen has received both (hospital).
I fall in category 3 both by age and underlying health issues.
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I will have two chances next week to get my first shot. If I don't get the first shot next week I will have to wait until after I move to Arkansas which will be around the second week of March. This will be a drive-in clinic and there will be 1000 shots available that runs from 9 AM to 3 AM. The first of these did not go very well. The second one went better with about 200 shots not given out. My age group (65+) opens on Monday and the first clinic is on Tuesday. I plan on heading there about 5 AM to get in line. Tuesday starts a five days of rain and cold weather spell. Maybe this will then the herd some. I am also registered by phone if the clinics don't work out, but I will be on a time restraint due to my move.
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Today's the day, both my wife and I have 11:42 AM appointments this morning for our shots, her first and my second. :cool:
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reubenray, I am thinking about heading to Clarksdale for the Juke Joint Festival in April. Are you going back?
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reubenray, I am thinking about heading to Clarksdale for the Juke Joint Festival in April. Are you going back?
Probably not. I will be moving to NW Arkansas the last week of March. I would then have to find us a house which may take a while. We will live in our motorhome while the house hunting is going on. I would not be surprised if the Festival is cancelled again.
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Today's the day, both my wife and I have 11:42 AM appointments this morning for our shots, her first and my second. :cool:
I would love to be able to do the appointment route, but I don't have that option yet.
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Still waiting to be able to make our appointments.
NM is still doing 75+
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I got my first Pfiezer shot a few days ago. On the second day after it I was sooooo tired. That night I slept for 12 hours. Later in the day I felt somewhat tired again. Many people I've talked with had a similar
experience.
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Curious if any who are getting the vaccine that have been avoiding social gatherings, and who are willing to answer this question. After you receive the 2nd shot will you be ready to interact socially again?
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Not in a normal manner, I'll still practice social distancing and wear a mask when appropriate, but I'll be a lot less concerned about shopping and having dinner with friends/family.
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After you receive the 2nd shot will you be ready to interact socially again?
A newscast a few days ago advised people who have had the vaccinations that they now have protection from getting the virus but they may still be able to give it to someone. So the instructions are to wear a mask when in public to prevent giving it to unvaccinated people. They may omit wearing a mask if they know that everyone they are in contact with has been vaccinated.
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Curious if any who are getting the vaccine that have been avoiding social gatherings, and who are willing to answer this question. After you receive the 2nd shot will you be ready to interact socially again?
My wife and I have had the 2nd shot and should be at max protection mid week next. We will still wear masks (although totally worthless after immunity is established, since you should not get the disease, not incubate, not carry, not disperse the virus. (CDC says you may still carry the disease, but I believe that is while you are building immunity. About 4-5 weeks). Reason for wearing is to reassure those around us that we are being careful, cause they won't know we are vaccinated, unless we all wear a sign! You can't spread it by brushing up against it and carrying it to someone else. But we do plan to be more active outside the home. Eat out more often, visit family and some friends and still maintain distance when practical. We have always been frequent hand washers, and will continue. Those that won't take the vax will eventually end up in a society that has no real place to harbor the virus, as most of us will have had it or the vax. It will mutate often as most Covid viruses do and if living we will get the new vax whenever it is avail. Our answer to your question then is "Yes, we will be more interactive, very soon, and more so as the public becomes more comfortable together"
Will we ever be the same? I don't think so.
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After you receive the 2nd shot will you be ready to interact socially again?
We will start playing poker again, but that won't be for some time, as a few of the group are under 60 and won't be vaccinated for some time.
That said, the caveat is that if the number of new cases/day isn't down to just a couple hundred we probably will hold off.
Right now NM is bouncing between 500-1000 new cases/day.
Death toll/day has dropped, which is good. About 20-25.
On another note, there are scams with the vaccinations going on.
In the USA, vaccinations are FREE. You should not be asked to pay.
Those with insurance, are covered by their policy, those without get it free.
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Curious if any who are getting the vaccine that have been avoiding social gatherings, and who are willing to answer this question. After you receive the 2nd shot will you be ready to interact socially again?
I'm still waiting for my group to open up for my shots. I have been limiting my social gatherings. After I receive my shots I plan on doing more interaction with others. I will start back flying then as well. Until then for me personally it isn't worth the risk, no matter how small.
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Reason for wearing is to reassure those around us that we are being careful
Not a bad reason to continue to wear a mask.
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FWIW, I just read on the internet that the Pfizer vaccine is 90% effective three weeks after the FIRST shot. That increases to 95% two weeks after the second shot. Remember, I said that it came from the internet. ???
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If it came from the Internet, it must be true. ;D
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Hope so.
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I just got my first Pfizer shot today. It was delivered by the Stanford hospital system here in town. I pinged their website several times a day since the first of the year trying to get an appointment. They finally opened up two weeks ago for those 65+.
Anyone hesitant about getting the vaccine should seriously consider getting it when available. Someone in my neighborhood passed away from Covid in mid January. She was 70 and had no other medical conditions such as high blood pressure or diabetes according to her family. I walk my dog Shiloh on a 2 mile circle in the neighborhood everyday. Almost everyday we would run into she and her walking companion. She really liked my collie and would stop and pet him. We often spoke about what our children were doing. Her walking companion came up to me last week and told me her friend had passed from the disease. She caught it from an asymptomatic family member from another nearby city in December along with others in her household. The disease got very real for me upon hearing the news. This is the first person I knew personally that passed from the disease. Don't drop your guard, mask up and get the vaccine.
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My only chance of getting the first shot in time to get the second shot before I move is today. I was going to go, but now they are saying they will have a limited supply and some of these are for the people that needed the second shot. This will be a mass drive-up clinic. I will wait until I get to Arkansas and get it there. They are doing appointments there and my age group will come up in April.
Edit: My neighbors went to the drive in clinic and they are only giving the second shots. This info is not mentioned anywhere that tells people about the clinic. There is going to be a lot of upset people about this misinformation. My only options now is to wait until after I move.
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I received my second shot yesterday and today I do have some adverse but mild effect. First my arm is sore and I had difficulty sleeping last night. I sleep on my left side and I got the shot in my left arm. Big mistake. I did have some aches in my bones and muscles, minor chills and very tired. I also felt weak.
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My only chance of getting the first shot in time to get the second shot before I move is today. I was going to go, but now they are saying they will have a limited supply and some of these are for the people that needed the second shot. This will be a mass drive-up clinic. I will wait until I get to Arkansas and get it there. They are doing appointments there and my age group will come up in April.
Edit: My neighbors went to the drive in clinic and they are only giving the second shots. This info is not mentioned anywhere that tells people about the clinic. There is going to be a lot of upset people about this misinformation. My only options now is to wait until after I move.
Many have talked about the distribution of covid vaccine to include how frustrating it is for many as they cannot get a time slot. I saw this in real time yesterday when a 73 year old gentleman was denied his first shot because they were only giving the second shot). He was to say the least livid that they would not give him one and in fact said he was not going to leave until he got one or the police were called. Having spent numerous hours on the phone attempting to get my wife an appointment I understood where he was coming from.
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Are both doses the exact same vaccine and amounts?
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Are both doses the exact same vaccine and amounts?
Yes, supposed to be the same brand. I'm sure we will be hearing all kinds of horror stories about mixups and mismatched vaccines, etc. With 150 million or more expected recipients, it would be a miracle to get it all correct the first time. With the time required to arrive, fill out forms on the first dose, and then be observed for 15 minutes before release, I can see why progress is slower than expected. Just looking at an 8hr work day. One shot line can only do about 50 people a shift. The place I went to had 2 lines in a parking lot. They gave the shots quicker than 15 minutes sometimes but told me that the area where people had to be observed would get filled up and then they would have to wait until that traffic cleared the lot before starting up again. So they ended up giving70 to 110 shots per line per day. (many cars have 2 people in them) Not much production for one place. Fortunately now we have multiple places in Tulsa giving the shots; hospitals, pharmacies, pubic health and large clinics. It is the observation time that is slowing down the process. IMO. Anaphylaxis reaction is rare, but observation is required and makes sense. Easy to treat only if you are there when it happens. (and know what to do). It's gonna take quite a while more to get it done!
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Wife and I received our first Pfizer doses on Friday. Scheduled for second dose 3/5.
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Seems to me it depends on location and how well they can staff it as to how many vaccines can be given in one day. Here is tiny Culpeper, they use a college auditorium and give 600 per day. I see they opened a facility at a ballpark in NYC that can do 5,000 a day at that one location -- but they only have vaccine enough for 200 per day. They just opened 3 sites in Dallas which can do a combined 10,000 shots per day, but again, no vaccines. And we have thousands of Walgreen's and CVS all over the country that want to give vaccines, but no supply. So it seems we are getting the delivery down pretty good -- and could do probably several million a day in all the US jurisdictions -- we just don't have adequate vaccine at present.
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Wonder how much of the productions is being shipped out of the US?????
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They are finally getting into high gear in the SF Bay Area. Many mass vaccination sites have opened including one in our town. My wife got her first dose on Saturday at the site in town. We were in and out in 30 minutes including the 15 minute wait time for side effects.
Throughout our state, the problem is now supply. The severe weather hitting some parts of the US isn't helping. Pfizer is ramping up production from 5 million doses per week to 10 million.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-19/pfizer-to-expand-production-capacity-suppliers-for-covid-doses
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I also saw that Pfizer's does not need to be kept at -90° any more. It can be stored in regular Rx freezers...Also have reduced the production time...
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I had my first shot yesterday. My arm/shoulder was sore last night and into this morning, but the soreness has greatly reduced throughout the day.
I was able to get my shot at the Veterans Administration Hospital in Washington, DC. I'm part of the 1B priority group because of the work I do for FEMA. One of the manager types overseeing the COVID vaccinations told me they are doing about 1,000 every day for 6 days a week. There were about 100 guys in line when I got there yesterday. I have to go back on March 15th for the second dose.
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I read today that J&J has 4M does ready to ship. Have they been approved for use?
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Last that I read is that they have submitted the request to the CDC but I don't think its been approved yet.
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The noon news said J&J goes before the FDA this Friday and can deliver 20 million vaccines in March if approved. I hope so since I am still waiting!
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Several of my friends got there's by calling multiple small towns around our area. One drove about an hour away and one 3+ hrs. Both enjoyed the outing. (before the big freeze). Not sure if they went back for the second dose or plan to. Guess it depends on if they can get one more local.
Meanwhile, our new case rate and death rate are plummeting. Not surprising. There comes a time when the number of vaccinated and post infected reach a point that the virus just kinda runs out of new targets. Hooray!
Hope you find your vaccine soon. Is Bentley going to take it? He mentioned possibly skipping it.
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I may not understand the Virginia system, but I think what they have done recently is centralized the whole data base of folks waiting for a shot in order to kind of keep folks "in their lane" and not have people shopping around for vaccines in different health districts. If you are on the list, you get a call from your health district (when it is your turn in line), to schedule an appt. for a 1st shot. At that appt, they schedule your second appt.
Bent has no intention of ever getting the Covid vaccine.
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I took my wife this morning for her first one. It has been reschedule twice due to weather. That was a brutal drive at 7:30am. Drive to South Dallas from way North then head West into the sun to an area you know nothing about in downtown traffic. This old man does not do well in that anymore. LOL!!
It is done though and she is a happy camper. We go back in two weeks.
Be safe everyone,
MK
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I was able to get my second one yesterday. I was lucky. Even though I don't qualify yet under the general guidelines, I received my shot at a senior care facility where I volunteer. They had enough vaccines for residents, staff, and volunteers. I guess community service does have some benefits! Other than a sore arm, no side effects.
In Michigan the rollout has been a mess. I know of several people who made appointments through the local hospital system and they were canceled. The vaccine was being redistributed downstate where the need was greater. They said folks that got their first shot would be able to get their second, but all other appointments were canceled. Yet there are other clinics in the area that were still able to make and keep appointments. It has just been very hit and miss.
I have not been able to keep up with all the posts on this thread, sorry if I am duplicating something that has already been discussed. I just read about a term called "virus envy." It talked about how we are creating a two tiered system of people, those who are immunized vs. those who are not and the different opportunities they will or will not be able to pursue in the future. There was also a report on the racial imbalance as to who is or is not receiving treatment. This may very well be true, but I don't know how they are putting together their facts since there is no ethnic data being gathered when the shots are distributed. So should I feel "virus guilt" for getting a shot earlier than anticipated? I will admit there is some, but I do work with a lot of people who are at high risk, so I can rationalize it by being able to keep those that I come into contact with a bit safer. But then again, it sounds like people with the vaccine may still be able to spread the virus without showing any symptoms. For better or worse, I've had my shots! I do hope and pray that soon everyone that would like one is able to get it and this will no longer be an issue.
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Heck, I am always happy to hear that someone has completed the two doses no matter where they fall on the list of eligible. It just means one more protected person out there and one less chance of spreading.
I know they say that they "don't know" if people can spread after complete vaccine, but I read an interview with an immunologist who said the chances of spreading after fully vaccinated are miniscule and the reason to ask for folks to wear masks, etc is to more show group "solidarity and compassion". Meh, alright, I don't care a wit about group solidarity, I would prefer to see normal folks walking around without masks and helping society get back to business, but I am pretty callous about feelings.
So, good for you JD, glad you got the shots!
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I get an daily email from a local TV station with latest news about the virus.
Here is latest, discussing masks.
Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that it is possible Americans will still need to wear masks in 2022 to protect against the coronavirus, even as the U.S. may reach a significant degree of normality by the end of this year.
EDIT: Tried to past whole article, but as soon as it gets to an apostrophe, the rest was removed.
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You wear the mask as long as you like Dr Fauci, I am about done with it, and I would venture to guess that a large portion of the US is too! I will give the mask till about June, then I am going to start showing my civil disobedience.
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I too struggle with the mask, it continually dislodges my hearing aids and restricts my already difficult breathing. However, even though I 've had both shots, as long as it's the law and my wearing a mask gives some level of comfort to my fellow man (woman), I'll continue to wear them. :2cents:
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I find Dr. Fauci's comments about wearing masks into 2022 both interesting and confusing. Both he and President Biden have stated that, by the end of July, 2021 there will be enough vaccine doses so that every American who wants one can have one. And whether health officials like it or not, there will be folks who refuse a vaccine for whatever reason. So we are never going to reach Dr. Fauci's 85% (or it may now be 90 or 95%, he admits that he has misrepresented whatever the real number he believes for herd immunity is). So, we can wait until 2025 re removing masks and still not have the immunity levels Dr. Fauci wants.
Given that, what is the point of masks after the end of July 2021? Funny how you never see a reporter ask those kinds of questions.
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I got my first dose last Sunday. The Illinois National Guard has organized a mass distribution center at out State Fair grounds. My appointment was at 10:30 a.m.
Got there a little early and was back home by 11:00. 2nd dose on 03/14/21 scheduled.
I was able to get mine because I am essential store delivery.
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I received my second shot late this morning. As with the first shot, administered in what I would call a mega-church gymnasium, the Nebraska National Guard had the process well laid-out and running smoothly.
I think I was somewhat tired the second day after my first shot.
A large Omaha food chain (I think multi-state but not nationwide) has pharmacies with private rooms for minor medical attention. They have been administering the vaccine by appointment. In one particular store in a racial minority neighborhood, many people are not keeping their appointments. At the end of the day, in order to not discard the serum, they have been vaccinating store employees and announcing that free vaccinations will be available until closing.
The store manager goes to my church and has asked that anyone who can go to the store on short notice give him their telephone number. He plans to have the healthcare person call in order to exhaust the serum supply each day.
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I get an daily email from a local TV station with latest news about the virus.
Here is latest, discussing masks.
Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that it is possible Americans will still need to wear masks in 2022 to protect against the coronavirus, even as the U.S. may reach a significant degree of normality by the end of this year.
EDIT: Tried to past whole article, but as soon as it gets to an apostrophe, the rest was removed.
Dr. F has turned out to be the least reliable chronic bureaucrat that he has always been. I don't have confidence in anything he says or recommends. He has reversed his advice frequently, and has been wrong most of the time. He loves media attention too much IMO. He sucks up to whatever administration is in power at the time.
1. No masks nec.Then masks are a necessity. Then 2 masks better than one.
2. Remdesivir was best treatment for active Covid. At $6000 a pop. Turned out to be a only minimally helpful if at all.
3. Hydroxychloroquine he said was of no proven value, and should not be used. Turned out to be very helpful to shorten the course of disease in many people and is now used in many ICU protocols. PS only a few cents per pill. Guess it was too cheap.
4. Said Ivermectin was not proven and should not be used. Wrong again. It is almost a miracle drug in preventing illness and in treating the illness both early and late. Again a very cheap drug, with a negligible side effect profile. over 3 billion doses given worldwide in the past 40 years. Is now also approved for emergency use by NIH.
If you want to get caught up on the current status of Covid19 I would suggest the FLCCC web page that is provided by doctors who actually treat this disease. These are well know medical research and treatment doctors, and have published literally thousands of medical research papers. They have all the current data listed on their website and explain in simple english.. Hope this is acceptible to our website.
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I received my first vac shot about 2 weeks ago and am scheduled for #2 in another couple of weeks.
I had also received the normal influenza vaccination earlier last fall. I can't seem to find out data on how many people died of the "regular" influenza.
Realistically, I know that people die from the flu. They always have. Especially in my age group (75) and those with other health issues. Such are the chronicles of life(& death).
I wear a mask only when necessary and that is because the store may be going ballistics with all kinds of warnings at the door.
(Hey, don't want anybody to freak out and have me placed under house arrest because I don't have a couple of masks on)
I realize that many, if not most, have not journeyed down the same path in life as me. I have OFTEN found myself in very dangerous situations. Please put up with me for my caustic attitude.
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You wear the mask as long as you like Dr Fauci, I am about done with it, and I would venture to guess that a large portion of the US is too! I will give the mask till about June, then I am going to start showing my civil disobedience.
Yep, same here.
I have just about seen enough.
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I like a quote from Harry Truman: "Experts should be on tap, not on top." ;D
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You wear the mask as long as you like Dr Fauci, I am about done with it, and I would venture to guess that a large portion of the US is too! I will give the mask till about June, then I am going to start showing my civil disobedience.
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I have never participated, I just keep my distance. Costco is the exception because I cannot get in the door without it. I read the randomized control studies for scientific information, not political science. The gold standard for studies, of which 3 were done last year alone, have shown that masks make no statistical difference in the the contraction or the spread. The one the Marines did was fascinating. No standard American could replicate what they did to prevent the spread on a day to day basis, and the control group (no masks) still faired better with less cases. Any mask that would protect you would have to be taped to your face around the edges and have a fabric weave so tight you could not breathe. Walk outside on a cold day and breathe...you can visually see why they make no difference.
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IMO, Dr. Fauci gave his best opinions based on the data available at the time. He never claimed to be a fortune teller, just an doctor with knowledge of these types of illnesses. His erroneous comments were not near as bad as Trump telling the country that the virus would go away in a couple of weeks.
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IMO, Dr. Fauci gave his best opinions based on the data available at the time.
Well, yes and no. He has admitted that he deliberately misstated his beliefs on the percentage needed for herd immunity because he did not believe the public was ready to hear his true opinion and had to be somehow eased into it. He has also stated , after the fact of course, that he deliberately told people masks weren't necessary in order to conserve them for use by medical personnel. So, he has no problem bending the truth to fit his narrative -- like a politician -- rather than stating facts based on data -- like a scientist. Also, he apparently decided that most Americans were somehow childlike and could not handle the truth and so he would make the decision on when and what was the appropriate and correct information to share -- again, like a politician, not a scientist.
And that always makes me think of a jury instruction we always gave: A witness false in one part of his or her testimony is to be distrusted in others.
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Well folks get ready for round two of vaccinations. Both Pfizer and Moderna are working a new version of their vaccines to cover the variants. The new vaccines will be given as a third dose for those already vaccinated. Vaccine production will be cut over to the new versions once approved. Folks that have not been vaccinated will be given only two doses of the new version.
This is going to become a yearly thing for us just like a flu shot.
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What you say may be true, but we've all, at one time or another, had to make a choice of the lessor of two evils.
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IMO, Dr. Fauci gave his best opinions based on the data available at the time. He never claimed to be a fortune teller, just an doctor with knowledge of these types of illnesses. His erroneous comments were not near as bad as Trump telling the country that the virus would go away in a couple of weeks.
Well both of them never met a camera or audience that they did not like. I think though both of them had different motivation in my opinion.
Trump while reckless in many regards was motivated by the portrayal of positive progress.
Fauci flip flopped so much that I truly believe he became irrelevant months ago.
How many times have you witnessed people wearing masks incorrectly, dirtier than the bottom of your shoe, people jammed in tight like tuna in a can at the store, any store.
History will be the determining factor and many will have to eat crow, of that I am sure.
Collateral damage is and will continue to be catastrophic.
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It is the hypocrisy or double standard, call it what you will that I dislike. Restaurants have to cut their occupancy in half, do much more cleaning then the average business and jump through hoops. While the grocery store can have the customer come in, pick up 7 different apples and put them back. Pick up 4 different oranges and put them back...you get my point. No repercussions what so ever!
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It is the hypocrisy or double standard, call it what you will that I dislike. Restaurants have to cut their occupancy in half, do much more cleaning then the average business and jump through hoops. While the grocery store can have the customer come in, pick up 7 different apples and put them back. Pick up 4 different oranges and put them back...you get my point. No repercussions what so ever!
I hear you there...
My wife does the shopping, and for the most part, she just gets frozen fruits and vegetables now.
Need to get a garden going this spring.
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It is the hypocrisy or double standard, call it what you will that I dislike. Restaurants have to cut their occupancy in half, do much more cleaning then the average business and jump through hoops. While the grocery store can have the customer come in, pick up 7 different apples and put them back. Pick up 4 different oranges and put them back...you get my point. No repercussions what so ever!
Bingo. That is exactly what I tried to portray.
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I disinfect shopping cart handles and wash my hands frequently but I'm not anal about wiping down items off of the shelf or packages delivered to my home. Here is an interesting article on the subject; https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
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Can you please point me to theses 3?
I read the randomized control studies for scientific information, not political science. The gold standard for studies, of which 3 were done last year alone, have shown that masks make no statistical difference in the the contraction or the spread. The one the Marines did was fascinating.
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Can you please point me to theses 3?
I read the randomized control studies for scientific information, not political science. The gold standard for studies, of which 3 were done last year alone, have shown that masks make no statistical difference in the the contraction or the spread. The one the Marines did was fascinating.
The studies are not as easy to find as they use to be, I think the tech overlords are trying to bury them. I have read quite a few between 2010 and 2020, and they all pretty much said the same thing too. No statistical difference. My biggest frustration with all of this, is that public policy is not being set based off of real world studies, but computer models, political panic porn, and lab theories that have not stood up to real world tests. I have included the first two links are the studies from 2020 that I was referring to. The 3rd, I believe it was out of Asia, I am unable to find on a quick search. When I have more time I will continue looking. The other links after the first 2 were what I found while searching for the 3rd. I think the study from 2015 is what everyone should pay attention to regarding the cloth masks. Have fun, they are pretty dry.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
I have found some of the best information when reading an article that sites its sources at the bottom of the page and gives links to the studies. Any good journalist will do this.
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Thank you so much! If I am going to use data when I speak with folks, I want to know what sources I am using and are they credible. 3 of those sites I know, and the 4th I will research!
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The second link research was payed for by acpjournals is a group of retail organizations including Starbucks etc. So they have reason to use anything to discount use of masks. It's like me conducting research that beer consumption causes great wisdom.
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The second link research was payed for by acpjournals is a group of retail organizations including Starbucks etc. So they have reason to use anything to discount use of masks. It's like me conducting research that beer consumption causes great wisdom.
It made Bud Weiser
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And this is a valid point, a reason why I like to know who is doing the research and who is funding it!
It also begs the questions, you know ACP is funded by retail how? Do you have any documentation?
The second link research was payed for by acpjournals is a group of retail organizations including Starbucks etc. So they have reason to use anything to discount use of masks. It's like me conducting research that beer consumption causes great wisdom.
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My wife got her second shot yesterday so we will now loosen up our social life isolation a bit, more trips to the store, more eating out and more entertaining than in the past year. :cool:
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And this is a valid point, a reason why I like to know who is doing the research and who is funding it!
It also begs the questions, you know ACP is funded by retail how? Do you have any documentation?
The second link research was payed for by acpjournals is a group of retail organizations including Starbucks etc. So they have reason to use anything to discount use of masks. It's like me conducting research that beer consumption causes great wisdom.
It was funded by the Salling Foundations. A site that links or publishes a study in not necessarily the funding source. Look for a header that says "Role of Funding Source" right before "Results".
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I got the second stick on Friday. It was delayed a week because of the weather the week before. I don't plan on any changes. I'll still wear a mask where it's required, but I never worried too much much before anyway. I have a lot of underlying health issues, but I also have O negative blood. I figure if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Life is short enough without worrying about something I can't control anyway.
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https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/abs/10.7326/M20-6817
Primary Funding Source:
The Salling Foundations.
Salling Group
Ownership structure
Salling Group is 100% owned by Købmand Herman Sallings Fond and Købmand Ferdinand Sallings Mindefond, which together make up the Salling Foundations. This means that profits from Salling Group are only used for two purposes: investment in the company and donations via the Salling Foundations.
Some of its companies
føtex food convenience
For days when shopping should be as quick and easy as possible, convenience is the key word. The føtex chain today operates a number of supermarket food convenience stores in the capital, where the range is adjusted to busy life in the big city. Here prepared meals, easy meal solutions, freshly baked bread and butcher-carved meat take centre stage in the stores.
Carl’s Jr.
The combination of fresh ingredients, authentic American style and a well-known brand has really found its way to the hearts of Danish burger fans. Carl's Jr. has experienced massive growth in Denmark, where burgers are more popular than ever before.
Salling Group has had the rights to establish Carl's Jr. restaurants in Denmark since 2013. The restaurants are in attractive locations on shopping streets, close to the motorway or in one of our Bilka hypermarkets, which makes it easy for Danes to combine a shopping trip with a meal.
Carlsjr.dk
Skagenfood meal boxes
Meal boxes delivered directly to the door are winning more and more ground with Danes. Not only is it easy to unpack quality goods and put them in the refrigerator, but it also takes care of the difficult everyday art of finding the evenings’ and week's meals.
Salling Group entered the market for meal boxes in 2017, when we invested in Skagenfood and bought 80% of the company. Since the acquisition, Skagenfood has experienced enormous growth, with an increase in turnover of 50% in just one year. This positive trend will continue over the next few years with more innovative meal boxes and new food trends that will inspire Danes to exciting everyday meals. Day-to-day, Skagenfood is operated in North Jutland as an independent company.
Skagenfood.dk
Starbucks
A meeting over a good cup of coffee or one to go. Danes love good quality coffee, and as the official franchise partner, the group is operating a growing number of popular Starbucks coffee bars in Denmark, both in connection with føtex supermarkets and Bilka hypermarkets, and at exclusive locations like the City Hall Square in Copenhagen.
Our own brands
At Salling Group, we produce a host of private label lines. Customers can find our own brands throughout føtex, Bilka and Netto, and we are proud to cover everything from canned tomatoes to detergents. Our goal is to meet all our customers’ everyday needs, regardless of price and quality.
Vores®
Vores® is Salling Group’s biggest line of private label goods, and it contains everything needed in everyday life. We always have hundreds of different products to choose from, and the range is constantly being developed and extended. Before goods can be a part of Vores, one of the things we do is let our customers test and approve their quality. That's why we call them Vores (Danish for ‘Ours’).
Levevis
With Levevis, we make it easy for our customers to choose the products that are good for both people and the environment. The Levevis line contains both organic groceries and a new selection of groceries that are gluten and lactose free. In addition, the line consists of a wide range of personal care, household and baby products that do not contain perfume. The products bear different labels that place certain requirements on the manufacturer and product, clear information about which can be found by the customers on the packaging.
Princip
Princip is for customers who do not want to compromise on the quality of their food. Princip consists of exquisite quality, gourmet moments and delicious flavours for every taste and for every occasion, and the line offers luxurious foods at competitive prices.
Budget
Budget is the name of our line of basic products at fixed low prices. The line is continually being developed from the basic idea of giving customers an inexpensive alternative within as many product categories as possible. Budget covers both food and non-food items, and the orange packaging means it is always easy to recognise.
ØGO
If customers prefer products that are good to animals, the environment and the wallet, then they should look on the shelves for ØGO's products. ØGO is Netto’s very own line of organic products at good prices, and it offers a large selection of organic goods for all everyday meals.
VRS
VRS is our own clothing brand, and today it is a recognised fashion brand in the textile industry and sold exclusively by Bilka and føtex. VRS consists of a large selection of fashion wear, sportswear, everyday clothes, underwear, shoes and accessories for the whole family.
Premieur
Premieur are high quality products for customers who appreciate good flavours and local delicacies from all over the world. Premieur is sold exclusively by Netto.
SCO
Salling Group is one of Denmark’s largest bicycle dealers. This is due not least to the fact that we have SCO, a classic Danish bicycle brand that Salling Group bought and relaunched in 2017, where both quality and design received a major boost.
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Thank you.
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I have not watched Saturday Night Live in decades, but occasionally I will check out a clip. This one was making the rounds because it featured a parody of our beloved Michigan Governor. On rare occasion these things can hit close to home. In this clip at the 53 second mark a statement was made that probably has more truth in it than I would care to admit: "Getting the vaccine should not be a competition, but Americans will only want to get it if someone else can't."
Now I understand! The rollout was pure genius!! By creating shortages it does inspire competition. If the vaccine had been rolled out and everyone could get it at the same time, there would have been no sense of urgency. Eventually (probably sometime in the fairly near future), everyone that wants one will get it. However, by doing it this way, when all is said and done, the compliance rate will be much higher than it would have been otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5rXK8HCL1Y
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My wife and I got our second Moderna vaccines today. The process really improved in the last fours weeks. It was pretty good before but now it was really fast.
We thought that maybe there were less vaccines being given but we were told by one of the staff members that they have just gotten faster.
We arrived early for our first shot and were about 15 minutes behind schedule. It took awhile to get through all the checks. In the end, it was about two and a half hours.
This time we arrived well before our appointment time and our line (there is a line for each 15 minutes appointment block) started moving immediately.
We sailed right through. We were done by the time our appointment was supposed to start. And that included the 15 minute post shot wait to see if we have a reaction.
They moved the super center from the Disneyland parking lot to inside the Anaheim Convention Center. There were folks everywhere, from the street to the exit directing you to where to go.
As someone who has worked on process improvements for years, I can say that the improvements were remarkable.
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News report I saw yesterday, said the three companies will have produced 400 million doses be end of April.
The hard part will be getting them administered.
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Starting tomorrow, here in AZ, they are giving shots to 55 and older.
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Here in Virginia we have plenty of capacity to administer shots and plenty who want it. Our issue is supply. They have said that we will most likely not have enough supply to meet the need for group 1b until late April.
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Starting tomorrow, here in AZ, they are giving shots to 55 and older.
They are a bit on the slow side here in New Mexico. Still in the 75+ phase.
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I just got the first dose of Moderna in my home...not planning on making any changes to my routine...I have rarely worn a mask...only when medical people weren't comformtable with me not having one in their presence...I hang around with a lot of homeless in my neighborhood...YAY Portland! Pfffbbbt!
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The question often comes up about where are we at in terms of reaching herd immunity. There is a radio program in the SF Bay Area called "Ask an Expert". It has provided me with the most up to date factual information pertaining the pandemic. Back in May it projected that vaccines like the Moderna and Pfizer would be ready for emergency approval by late Fall. It also stated that the government was funding several of these efforts long before we ever heard of "Operation Warp Speed"
The segment that was on yesterday discussed herd immunity. It was pretty enlightening in terms of what we can be doing after getting the vaccine. Here's a link to the broadcast:
https://www.radio.com/kcbsradio/news/are-we-close-to-reaching-herd-immunity
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I just got the first dose of Moderna in my home...not planning on making any changes to my routine...I have rarely worn a mask...only when medical people weren't comformtable with me not having one in their presence...I hang around with a lot of homeless in my neighborhood...YAY Portland! Pfffbbbt!
:rotf: Portland does have some issues. Hope they get them figured out.
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Thank you.
Looks like you got some help. I got as far as Sallings group and life and work decided I was too idle and swamped me. Lots of info on the internet, you just have to weed through the garbage.
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My daughter age 49 gets her vax next week, and my son-in-law 51 got his first today. Tulsa is ahead of schedule. Still wearing masks this week but who knows next week? I and my wife had ours in Jan.
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The Danish study in the Annals of Internal Medicine did not test what has been identified as the major benefit of mask wearing, which is to prevent the infected person from infecting others. It has been reported from early on that masks are primarily to prevent the spread from the mask wearers to others, with a possible small reduction in infection rates to the wearer. The nature of the Danish research is preliminary. Controls were the best they could impose and adherence to test protocols by participants was marginal.
While it is great to drill into this stuff, you have to realize that the folks that really understand the whole body of literature (rather than what you can easily get access to on the internet), in addition to, in-work research projects and clinical trials, are folks at organizations like the CDC. Our knowledge is going to expand over time, but that is what it takes to figure out something like this. In the meantime, we have to decide whether we are going to follow CDC direction, because masks might work, or try hard to find a justification for not following CDC guidance, because we don't want to wear masks.
In science it is body of work that counts. There are frequently competing theories. Making definitive conclusions before the research converges to a common understanding can be a problem. That is why this is a risk mitigation as well as a scientific issue, which is core to the field of public health management. You have to weigh the risk of what happens if you are wrong. If you don't wear a mask and you are wrong, then it is likely more people get sick and die. If you wear a mask and you are wrong, then harm to you and others is likely very small or nothing (acknowledging that a small number of folks may have legitimate medical issues with a mask and will require reasonable accommodations).
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I was at the doctor today for my six month check up. Right before I left, he got me an appointment at a local pharmacy on Thursday for the Moderna shot.
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The Danish study in the Annals of Internal Medicine did not test what has been identified as the major benefit of mask wearing, which is to prevent the infected person from infecting others. It has been reported from early on that masks are primarily to prevent the spread from the mask wearers to others, with a possible small reduction in infection rates to the wearer. The nature of the Danish research is preliminary. Controls were the best they could impose and adherence to test protocols by participants was marginal.
While it is great to drill into this stuff, you have to realize that the folks that really understand the whole body of literature (rather than what you can easily get access to on the internet), in addition to, in-work research projects and clinical trials, are folks at organizations like the CDC. Our knowledge is going to expand over time, but that is what it takes to figure out something like this. In the meantime, we have to decide whether we are going to follow CDC direction, because masks might work, or try hard to find a justification for not following CDC guidance, because we don't want to wear masks.
In science it is body of work that counts. There are frequently competing theories. Making definitive conclusions before the research converges to a common understanding can be a problem. That is why this is a risk mitigation as well as a scientific issue, which is core to the field of public health management. You have to weigh the risk of what happens if you are wrong. If you don't wear a mask and you are wrong, then it is likely more people get sick and die. If you wear a mask and you are wrong, then harm to you and others is likely very small or nothing (acknowledging that a small number of folks may have legitimate medical issues with a mask and will require reasonable accommodations).
Well said...
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It is not my responsibility to keep you from catching the flu. Now, it is my responsibility if I have an illness that is communicable to take precautions as to not spread it. That would entail keeping away from others, not wearing a mask in public if I am sick. But I am not the keeper of the world, not do I feel guilt for these actions.
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It is not my responsibility to keep you from catching the flu. Now, it is my responsibility if I have an illness that is communicable to take precautions as to not spread it. But I am not the keeper of the world, not do I feel guilt for these actions.
I was responding to a discussion on a particular article regarding mask effectiveness. I have not read every post in this thread so I am not sure what positions you have taken. But in light of your comment above, there is enough asymptomatic infection out there that folks cannot tell, with certainty, whether they are infectious, even after having a test since results are not immediate and definitive. So this gets back to a risk issue. Risk is great to others if you are infectious and don't know it. As such, the lowest risk position for society is to assume that you are infected.
We are all responsible for our own ethical decisions. My decision is to error on the side of taking precautions to help others. I guess that means that I am on what you call the "keeper of the world" side of the issue. Wearing a mask and social distancing is easy so I do it.
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I've had both shots, still wear a mask and social distance when appropriate, but I socialize freely with friends/relatives who have had their shots and eat out much more often. I still try to avoid strangers and and large gatherings.
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So when do I stop being asymptomatic? I am not going to take the vaccine, so I need to wear a mask for how long to protect others?
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So when do I stop being asymptomatic? I am not going to take the vaccine, so I need to wear a mask for how long to protect others?
According to the "experts", sometime after the country reaches herd immunity which at this time is TBD.
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Since Dr. Fauci thinks we need a minimum of 85% of the population vaccinated (maybe even 90% according to him), we will never reach herd immunity. But we never discuss that or how we proceed as a country. That's why that whole concept needs to be throw out and a different approach taken.
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Since Dr. Fauci thinks we need a minimum of 85% of the population vaccinated (maybe even 90% according to him), we will never reach herd immunity. But we never discuss that or how we proceed as a country. That's why that whole concept needs to be throw out and a different approach taken.
Not going to disagree with your assessment.
I just hope in the next 6 weeks or so that the vaccines I take put me on the favorable side of less risk of dying from this virus.
I did find it interesting that my doctor mentioned nothing about getting the common flu shot to me today. I understand it is a bit late in the season for it. I also read that the count of those having flu this year are somewhere in the 50%-70% less than in most other years. So, is there a chance that this pandemic has created herd immunity to the other common flus that have been going on for I have no idea how many years.
And, what does that mean for the common cold? Anyone feel like they caught that this year?
I'm just trying to look on the bright side of this pandemic. Maybe it wiped out the common cold and flu pandemics. I would be all for that for giving up a year of my life at this stage in my life!
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I received my second Pfizer Vaccine two days ago. I didn't really have any side effects other than a slightly sore arm. Maybe a bit more tired, but still did everything I would normally do as far as work goes and working on our master bathroom remodel.
Our daughter, who is a teacher, got her second shot a week or so before me and she was very wiped out from it plus headaches. She missed her next two days of work but is back to normal now. I've heard that younger people have more issues with the second shot and that was the case for her as well as our son who works in a retirement facility. Both kids got the Pfizer.
My wife got her first Moderna vaccine a week ago with no side effects. She gets her second at the end of the month. 4 weeks between shots instead of the 3 weeks for the Pfizer shot.
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I read an article two days ago about the lack of flu cases. They don't really know why. Some speculate that it is because of masks, hand washing and social distance. Some speculate that the covid virus is the more "dominate" virus this year and so either blocks or supersedes the flu. I am not sure we will ever know. But there are hundreds of strains of both flu and colds, so highly unlikely that this virus has done away with all of them.
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I am not going to take the vaccine, so I need to wear a mask for how long to protect others?
Tell me again, Bentley, why you aren't going to take the vaccine.
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It is not my responsibility to keep you from catching the flu. Now, it is my responsibility if I have an illness that is communicable to take precautions as to not spread it. But I am not the keeper of the world, not do I feel guilt for these actions.
I was responding to a discussion on a particular article regarding mask effectiveness. I have not read every post in this thread so I am not sure what positions you have taken. But in light of your comment above, there is enough asymptomatic infection out there that folks cannot tell, with certainty, whether they are infectious, even after having a test since results are not immediate and definitive. So this gets back to a risk issue. Risk is great to others if you are infectious and don't know it. As such, the lowest risk position for society is to assume that you are infected.
We are all responsible for our own ethical decisions. My decision is to error on the side of taking precautions to help others. I guess that means that I am on what you call the "keeper of the world" side of the issue. Wearing a mask and social distancing is easy so I do it.
You might be interested in this study of 10 million Chinese during Covid and asymptomatic spread. Here is a quote that sums up much of the asymptomatic tracking:
"Virus cultures were negative for all asymptomatic positive and repositive cases, indicating no “viable virus” in positive cases detected in this study."
"All asymptomatic positive cases, repositive cases and their close contacts were isolated for at least 2 weeks until the results of nucleic acid testing were negative. None of detected positive cases or their close contacts became symptomatic or newly confirmed with COVID-19 during the isolation period."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
I have tried to keep up with the "science" of this as it has progressed. I have seen more fear mongering than science coming from the bureaucracy, even before Covid. The CDC is an extension of that, and is an entity that I will no longer trust. Asymptomatic spread was some of the fear mongering used to justify lock downs and and removal of civil liberties. Any "leader" that errors to the side of removing freedoms, should not serve in a free society. I do not follow crowds. I do not virtue signal. What if's would mean I would never leave my house. If anyone wants to wear a mask, I am not against it, I do not force my will on others. My parents are in their 70's and wear masks. I stand outside on the grass to talk with them. I keep distance, wash regularly, and do not go out when ill, but I don't wear a mask because I can find no RCT's that support it. Cheers to individual thought, it is not a bad thing! The world would still be flat if group think was the norm.
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Me personally, I am truly more afraid of the handle of the shopping cart or the bathroom door handle.
Again, just my thoughts.
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I just see no reason to. Much like not getting a flu shot. If I get the flu, I will be sick for a few days and be over it. I feel the same way about the SARS-Cov-2. I realize I live in Mayberry, but I have taken ZERO precautions against this flu and I have not seemed to catch it!
Maybe I am just Ben Richards from the 1970's, I do not know!
I am not going to take the vaccine, so I need to wear a mask for how long to protect others?
Tell me again, Bentley, why you aren't going to take the vaccine.
If this was Ebola, I guarantee you I would be getting a vaccination, but it simply is not that dangerous for someone like me!
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Well, 523,000 dead in the US in the last year from Covid-19 compared to an average of 30K/year (over the last ten years) for the flu, that's enough to scare the heck out of me. :(
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It scares you, it does not me. That is life.
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Still waiting for my group's turn... :(
Got this email from State of New Mexico:
"Notice from NM Department of Health. New Mexico is the most efficient state in the country for vaccine distribution, but demand still exceeds supply. If you have not received your vaccine, please wait for a notification. Please do NOT show up at a vaccine event without an appointment. Doing so creates additional health risks. Thank you for your understanding. "
I not sure believe the "most efficient" part.
Only a little over 2 million people in the state, we are just in phase 1B.
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It scares you, it does not me. That is life.
This article scares me. Obesity is not well like by covid apparently.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/weight-isnt-always-within-control-110109672.html
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Sorry Bent, I did not word that correctly. I personally am not scared, I'm scared for my 5 children, 13 grandchildren and 7 great grandchildren. I'm scared that they, and many others, will not survive to enjoy the same full life that I have.
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They Live had one of the best fight scenes ever in a movie....RIP Rowdy Roddy Piper.
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Latest new I received...
As more jurisdictions join Texas, Mississippi and other states in lifting mask mandates and easing restrictions on businesses, many essential workers — including bartenders, restaurant servers and retail workers — are relieved by changes that might help the economy but also concerned they could make them less safe amid a pandemic that health experts warn is far from over.
Some workers say they’re worried about getting COVID-19 as crowds return and resistance from co-workers and customers when they try to enforce their employers’ ongoing mask requirements.
What’s more, essential workers like bartenders and cooks aren’t yet eligible in many states to get vaccinated against the coronavirus.
Health experts tracking the trajectory of new virus variants warn that lifting restrictions too soon could lead to another lethal wave of infections. They are urging people to continue covering their faces regardless of state rules.
Meanwhile, the U.S. on Saturday reached a single-day record of COVID-19 vaccine doses given, with 2.9 million people receiving shots, according to CDC data.
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Received my first Moderna shot abut 8 hours ago.
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Getting my 2nd shot this morning. no reaction to the first one and hoping the same this time...
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No reaction other than sore, stiff arm where I got the poke yesterday. 2nd shot scheduled for April 8th.
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Getting my 2nd shot this morning. no reaction to the first one and hoping the same this time...
More reaction to the second. I took two tylenol after, and had no significant side effects. Just mild headache that evening. My wife had a sore arm and headache two days. I think these shots have less side effects than flu vax. Glad to see everyone getting poked.
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Just received my second dose today. :)
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I got scheduled. Nevada opened to 55+ with issues. I have lots of issues. Anyone wanna ask me? :rotf: :puke:
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Got my second dose yesterday. No troubles. Arm is not even sore.
The nurse did cover the puncture with a band-aid and there was a spot of blood on it, so I assume she jabbed me with the needel.
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Got my first yesterday, didnt even notice that I got a shot but was told that now I had to go wait in waiting room for 15 minutes. Even though had bandaid I questioned whether I truly got one. About 9pm last night I felt like a buddy pooped me in my arm. I am a side sleeper and this morning I can sure feel it in my arm but no more than a good bruise or something
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Got my first yesterday, didnt even notice that I got a shot but was told that now I had to go wait in waiting room for 15 minutes. Even though had bandaid I questioned whether I truly got one. About 9pm last night I felt like a buddy pooped me in my arm. I am a side sleeper and this morning I can sure feel it in my arm but no more than a good bruise or something
As you are a side sleeper I would strongly recommend that you receive your second shot on the side you do not sleep on.
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Got my first yesterday, didnt even notice that I got a shot but was told that now I had to go wait in waiting room for 15 minutes. Even though had bandaid I questioned whether I truly got one. About 9pm last night I felt like a buddy pooped me in my arm. I am a side sleeper and this morning I can sure feel it in my arm but no more than a good bruise or something
As you are a side sleeper I would strongly recommend that you receive your second shot on the side you do not sleep on.
I sleep on all four sides throughout the course of a night. I used to solely sleep on my stomach up until a few years ago when it was causing some other muscle problems in my neck and back (and probably hip). Now, I start on my back, then to my right side, then stomach, then left side, repeat...
I did sleep less on my left side when I got my first shot. That was tough for the first two nights.
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Still waiting. Our health district has about 190,000 people. I estimate roughly 40,000 would be under 16. Then maybe another 30,000 don't want the shot. Still leaves 120,000 who probably do want. They have only vaccinated a bit over 20,000 in our 5 county district because we are only allocated 2,000 doses per week and so far, they have nearly all been two shot doses so takes a lot. So we are still in phase 1b. State of Virginia has vaccinated all prisoners in state prisons who want it and some of the urban districts around Richmond have announced that they have enough vaccines to open to phase 1c. I am not sure I see the point of a centralized statewide system of distribution if you aren't a bit more equal in how you distribute.
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NM is still in phase 1b too.
Not sure when they are going to get to 1c (60+).
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NM is still in phase 1b too.
Not sure when they are going to get to 1c (60+).
Sorry to hear about delays. The good news is that the risk is going down dramatically. Hope you get "shot" soon.
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NM is still in phase 1b too.
Not sure when they are going to get to 1c (60+).
Sorry to hear about delays. The good news is that the risk is going down dramatically. Hope you get "shot" soon.
They are pushing vaccinating teachers and business employees now.
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NM is still in phase 1b too.
Not sure when they are going to get to 1c (60+).
Sorry to hear about delays. The good news is that the risk is going down dramatically. Hope you get "shot" soon.
I'd like to say, the risk isn't going down. Every safe move and smart move by YOU and the other folks we can blame for our sorrows (meaning the year BC 300 to now) need to realize that every single infection means one more chance for a change in the DNA of the virus. It can change.
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Just found out that NM has moved into phase 1C yesterday, and expect to go to phase 2 (everybody) by mid-April.
So I should be getting an email in the next few weeks to set up an appointment to get the vaccine.
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I'm still struggling to understand if this is such an emergency issue why the federal government has not taken a leadership role in declaring who gets a shot when and where they can get it.
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Easy. Go back about 4 years. It's an emergency when it kills 500,000 people in the most modern country (now). And can mutate to kill Billions more. Not sure how more clear an emergency it can be.
Now? The govs in the background. You just don't hear about it in a special signing like it used to be. And a few folks don't be making the rounds on TV or whatever media delivery device is popular with white +50 year old's these days.
It's a bit quieter. Unless you get it and die, then it's a full blown micro-chip conspiracy. And fashionable chin diapers. Man the money they made in the mask xxxx we saw on TV. How sad.... said the curly guy that is in Gov. He used to be in the medical field too....
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I'm still struggling to understand if this is such an emergency issue why the federal government has not taken a leadership role in declaring who gets a shot when and where they can get it.
Sorry, read the Constitution. Each state dictates how these things are done. And it's not for you yet, like it is for me.
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And yea I'm ready, no real cooking here anyway.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/19/politics/trump-757-repairs-gold-plated-glory-days/index.html
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what are you ready for? I guess I missed the punch line.
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Well, I had no intentions of getting the vaccine, but my particular area seems rather hesitant to get the jab. It is now down to ages 35 already, they completely skipped my age group due to overall lack of interest in the area. My parents have also refused, so I decided I would be the trial run for people in my orbit. Maybe it will give my parents some confidence.
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Well, the Virginia Dept of Health must read this forum and are tired of hearing me gripe because I got a call today and have a shot of Moderna on Thurs. When they made my appt the woman told me she had all sorts of time slots open for Th and Fr -- just a few weeks ago folks were standing in line for hours, now I get a time slot and get to pick my time! I think it will start opening up much faster in mid to late April.
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My wife and I got our first Moderna shot last Friday. I had no soreness and didn't feel bad at all on Saturday. Her arm was sore and she was really tired. She slept 12 hours Friday night/Saturday morning. She may have been really tired from work though. I don't see why. All she does is deal with four, five and six year olds everyday.
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Does anyone have any reliable data on what the percentages are of those that want and do not want the shot?
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Does anyone have any reliable data on what the percentages are of those that want and do not want the shot?
The info I have been reading seems to differ a lot by state. Some info suggests roughly 30% of those eligible are not interested in it with a significant portion of them being in poorer communities.
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Does anyone have any reliable data on what the percentages are of those that want and do not want the shot?
The info I have been reading seems to differ a lot by state. Some info suggests roughly 30% of those eligible are not interested in it with a significant portion of them being in poorer communities.
Maybe they don't realize it's free ?
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I think there are a lot of reasons. I read an article last week that said that somewhere between 20 and 25% of medical professional are not taking the vaccine for a variety of reasons -- some are concerned it was "rushed" without enough testing, some are concerned that we don't know long range consequences. I have a friend who is assisting in transporting elderly folks for vaccines and she says she has talked many into it just because they had no one to go with them and were intimidated by the process or scared in might kill them by the time they got home and they would be on their own dying, etc. So she walks them through the process, stays with them, spends time with them after the appt until they feel that they are fine. Some in minority community are simply skeptical of any program administered by gov't based on bad history of their communities being used as guinea pigs. I have one friend who is an anti-vacc'er and so she is never getting. And for some it is a political statement (that is the one I just don't get).
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I just got an email from the AZ dept. of health stating the vaccinations are now available to anyone over 16 years of age. :cool:
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Just saw on the news that all adults can begin getting the vaccine on the 29th here in Texas. Our daughter is 17, so we hope she will qualify. I figure if she can make the decisions necessary to drive a car she ought to be able to to get the shot. Especially since she can explain why it is safe to get.
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I think there are a lot of reasons. I read an article last week that said that somewhere between 20 and 25% of medical professional are not taking the vaccine for a variety of reasons -- some are concerned it was "rushed" without enough testing, some are concerned that we don't know long range consequences. I have a friend who is assisting in transporting elderly folks for vaccines and she says she has talked many into it just because they had no one to go with them and were intimidated by the process or scared in might kill them by the time they got home and they would be on their own dying, etc. So she walks them through the process, stays with them, spends time with them after the appt until they feel that they are fine. Some in minority community are simply skeptical of any program administered by gov't based on bad history of their communities being used as guinea pigs. I have one friend who is an anti-vacc'er and so she is never getting. And for some it is a political statement (that is the one I just don't get).
Almost all of the medical professionals I have spoken to say they are getting or have had the vaccine. I think that, as you suggested, that some are unwilling because Trump was involved in getting it done at "warp speed". To me that is not rational thinking. Could they really believe that both Trump and the Pharma companies are out to harm them? All that Warp Speed proved is that the usual long time in completing a new vaccine has been due to bureaucracy rather than necessity. But the fact that the pharma group cooperated together in some instances is encouraging. I respect everyone's right to choose, but that does not mean that misinformed people are correct in their decision. Caution is a good thing except when it harms you because you were not properly informed. These new vaccines that do not use the virus are new miracle of science that will benefit mankind in many ways.
Let me say unequivocally, that Vaccines are the greatest advance in medicine since the dark ages. Antibiotics come in second. Vaccines wiped out Measles, Polio, Mumps, and Smallpox until recent movements to discredit them has turned them loose in society again. Those young girls who recently did not get Measles vaccine, will be at risk when they get to child bearing age. If they then get measles while pregnant, we will be seeing a dramatic return of miscarriages and infants born with congenital heart defects. Also, children mortality from measles encephalitis, or pneumonia will also reappear. New cases of polio are now reported in the last few years. It was wiped out 15 years ago (by efforts of Rotary International). I'm not sure about Mumps incidence recently but many males who get mumps after puberty are subject to being left sterile or near sterile for life after. Pneumovax has prevented deadly pneumonia in those who have taken it for many years now.
I think Smallpox is still well suppressed since was actually gone due to worldwide immunization. But who knows what is possible with the current hysteria over vaccines.
Bottom line: the current vaccine has been shown in millions of doses now to be safe and with fewer side effects than many previous vaccines.
While not taking it is everyone's right, it does not mean they are wise in refusing it. And it puts all of us at some increased risk by allowing the virus to exist between outbreaks. That is why giving it to children will eventually be a good idea (if proving it is safe to do). They are not at significant risk, TRUE, but their parents, grandparents and those with chronic illness are at significant risk. That nut will take some time to crack IMO. In the meantime, some states are now offering vaccine to all adults, and many more will follow. By mid-April we will be awash in vaccines. My advice: You figure it out. PS. Dramatic reduction in all forms of the disease in my area. Some areas now reported as "low risk".
Thank you ex President Trump for Warp Speed. And you did order enough vaccines, they were delayed only by logistics and States inefficient bureaucracies. Thank you President Biden for asking the states to lower the age restrictions early. :2cents: :2cents:
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Thank you for posting a thoughtful, rational analysis.
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The wife and I just got " Phizered", round 1.. Here in Canada the time between shots 1 + 2 is 100 days. It's done to spread out the # of first doses. It should work as long as there isn't an interruption in
supply.
I am pleased at the efficiency of the system and how well organized everything is.
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Just got our appointments. Get out first shot Friday.
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Here in Canada the time between shots 1 + 2 is 100 days.
It appears that Canada is following the same road as the UK and Israel. I've read that one shot is 90% effective after three weeks. The US emergency authorization was based on data derived from the three week spread, I believe that data on longer spacing between shots has not yet been authorized due to lack of supporting data being presented. :2cents:
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I had the first Moderna shot yesterday. No side effects and no sore arm. Second shot in four weeks.
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Just received my last shot of Moderna and no side effects.
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Just got 1st (Pfizer) no issues (yet).
35 more days until we start poker game again. ;D
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Frontline workers just became eligible in Oregon. I am signed up to get my dose on Wednesday. I am hoping to get the Johnson and Johnson. They say they have 1000 doses of it for Wednesday but I assume it is first come first serve and my appt. isn't until the afternoon.
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Just got first dose of Pfizer today. Second scheduled for April 26. Wanted to hold out for the JnJ, but gotta do what we gotta do ..... this has been a long long trek....
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2nd moderna shot coming up on Thursday
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I got the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine a little over 2 weeks ago.
Today WI opened it up to everyone 16 and older. Our county health department posted that they have opening for this week. Not sure which vaccine they are getting right now but the best one is the one you can get.
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I was a little concerned about the lack of long term affects analysis of these vaccinations but I got my 1st Pfizer shot on Monday. No symptoms from it and I hope the booster goes just as well.
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I was a little concerned about the lack of long term affects analysis of these vaccinations but I got my 1st Pfizer shot on Monday. No symptoms from it and I hope the booster goes just as well.
I have the same hang ups on the long term. I will not let my kids get it until more has been studied. It frustrates me they are now pushing this for minors down to 16, and quickly trying to get it down to 12. I do not think a lot of people understand these vaccines are not approved. They only have emergency use authorization which is not FDA approval. What happens if they find out that long term it has a high sterility rate for some reason? I can take the risk for myself, but for my kids I do not think the same way. Pushing it on the young generation seems short sited and an overreaction.
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Pushing it on the young generation seems short sited and an overreaction.
I sort of agree, but given the death rate for this virus, it beats the other option. :(
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Except the death rate for children by COVID is virtually non-existent -- in the 0 to 17 year age group it is 246 out of about 534,000 deaths and nearly every one of those children have had a significant underlying health issue. For 18 to 29 year old's it is 1957 out of 534,000 and again, many have had significant underlying health issues.
I have no children so this is probably easy for me to say, but I would not have them take this vaccine. At 64, it is a no brainer for me. At those young ages, not sure why risk it.
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Had second shot about 7 hours ago.
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Except the death rate for children by COVID is virtually non-existent -- in the 0 to 17 year age group it is 246 out of about 534,000 deaths and nearly every one of those children have had a significant underlying health issue. For 18 to 29 year old's it is 1957 out of 534,000 and again, many have had significant underlying health issues.
I have no children so this is probably easy for me to say, but I would not have them take this vaccine. At 64, it is a no brainer for me. At those young ages, not sure why risk it.
Your conclusion is logical. But I am not convinced that it will turn out to be a correct one in the long view. If the vaccine does turn out to be very safe, (Other than the rare allergic response which can happen with any foreign substance we inject or ingest), then it would be worth considering vaccination of everyone, as we do with smallpox, measles, mumps, chickenpox etc. The object being to remove this virus (or current form of it) from exposure to the whole world population. Smallpox for example is literally gone, except for keeping a small amount in very secure labs in case it is needed in the future for some reason. Actually, the vaccine for smallpox was and is made from Cowpox virus. We are not susceptible to Cowpox, but we do get full immunity to Smallpox from it.
So if the vaccine is safe, which I trust it will be concluded, it may be worth considering giving it to younger children as well in the future. Even tho they usually don't die or get very sick from this virus, they are still capable of carrying and incubating it to levels that can be contagious to grandma and gramps, who are often involved in their care, and to those with impaired health as well. Meanwhile the hysteria (unfounded) that vaccination in general is not good for our kids is misguided IMO. If not for vaccinations, many of the people you know would not have made it to adulthood. And reaching 90+ years would be a rarity instead of common as it is now. So for now, being cautious may be wise, but in the future, who knows? Also, if the vaccine is safe as it appears to be, the risk to young children of taking it, still appears to be less than the risk of getting the disease. That one rare susceptible child if vaccinated may be here to enjoy his 90th birthday (perhaps if he dodges life's other risks).
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What he said. I've got five children and were they young, I'd have them vaccinated in a heart beat.
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I'm with Okie as also. Well said.
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Except the death rate for children by COVID is virtually non-existent -- in the 0 to 17 year age group it is 246 out of about 534,000 deaths and nearly every one of those children have had a significant underlying health issue. For 18 to 29 year old's it is 1957 out of 534,000 and again, many have had significant underlying health issues.
I have no children so this is probably easy for me to say, but I would not have them take this vaccine. At 64, it is a no brainer for me. At those young ages, not sure why risk it.
Your conclusion is logical. But I am not convinced that it will turn out to be a correct one in the long view. If the vaccine does turn out to be very safe, (Other than the rare allergic response which can happen with any foreign substance we inject or ingest), then it would be worth considering vaccination of everyone, as we do with smallpox, measles, mumps, chickenpox etc. The object being to remove this virus (or current form of it) from exposure to the whole world population. Smallpox for example is literally gone, except for keeping a small amount in very secure labs in case it is needed in the future for some reason. Actually, the vaccine for smallpox was and is made from Cowpox virus. We are not susceptible to Cowpox, but we do get full immunity to Smallpox from it.
So if the vaccine is safe, which I trust it will be concluded, it may be worth considering giving it to younger children as well in the future. Even tho they usually don't die or get very sick from this virus, they are still capable of carrying and incubating it to levels that can be contagious to grandma and gramps, who are often involved in their care, and to those with impaired health as well. Meanwhile the hysteria (unfounded) that vaccination in general is not good for our kids is misguided IMO. If not for vaccinations, many of the people you know would not have made it to adulthood. And reaching 90+ years would be a rarity instead of common as it is now. So for now, being cautious may be wise, but in the future, who knows? Also, if the vaccine is safe as it appears to be, the risk to young children of taking it, still appears to be less than the risk of getting the disease. That one rare susceptible child if vaccinated may be here to enjoy his 90th birthday (perhaps if he dodges life's other risks).
I don't disagree with the idea of vaccinating children in the future. But I can see a parent wanting to have a longer term study done re any effects of this vaccine given the current death rate among children. If this was polio, I would have a different conclusion because unknown potential long term effects would not be outweighed by the devastation of polio. But I think this is different and I don't blame parents for wanting a longer term study when they may be affecting their child's life years in the future.
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KM, I don't think we are in disagreement. Just a matter of "how long to wait and see" is the issue. I don't think there were many short cuts exhibited in the manufacture of the current vaccines, and testing standpoint. The short cuts were mostly in the paper shuffling bureaucracy end of development. Perhaps like our court system, where a convicted killer may wait to be officially sentenced 6 to 8 weeks after being convicted. Processing data takes time, but if enough qualified personnel are made available it can be speeded up dramatically. Which it was.
Anyhow, it is really a pleasure to be able to discuss this subject in this great forum we have at PF.
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Okie, I don't think we are in disagreement either. And I feel the vaccine is safe for adults, and feel comfortable with all the protocols for adults. But there has not been extensive testing on children and time is on the side of caution for kids in this instance. And it is always nice to carry out dialogs with people who truly understand the meaning of civil discourse!
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Speaking of kids and vaccinations... My 17 year old daughter competes in a team sport that we do quite a bit of travelling for. She competes all over the South and South East. She has had a handful of her team mates contract the virus in the last year or so. None of which developed into anything serious. She is flying from Texas to Florida in the next few weeks for a competition. We decided to have her get vaccinated as well.
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My wife and I got the J&J vaccine shots this morning at a drive thru clinic. It was very well run and we in and out in about 45 minutes.
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I got the shot about 12:30pm last Thursday. Less than 24 hours later, I only felt a soreness where the shot was injected. I decided to drive 6 hours to Roanoke to get started on my drive south. I did end up sleeping about 10 hours that evening. Drove 4 hours on Saturday and stopped in Knoxville for some BBQ and beer. Drove 9 hours to final destination on Sunday. I guess I am one of the lucky ones with little side effects from both Moderna shots. My wife had her first Pfizer shot this morning. Will see how she does with it. She just had her gallbladder removed two weeks ago and is still sore from that.
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Got my first shot of Moderna last Wednesday. Arm soreness similar to tetanus for about 48 hours. No other noticeable symptoms. I felt like maybe I had a low grade fever that night but the thermometer did not agree with that assessment. Second shot is May 6th. I am told that the second shot is when people are starting to get the flu like symptoms.
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Here was my process after 2nd shot.
I ate a Wawa hoagie about a 90 minutes before my shot to have some solid food in my stomach. Got home after the shot and drank a quart of Gatorade. Drank 5+ pints of water the rest of the afternoon. Ate a can of Progresso chicken noodle soup with about 5 shakes of Melinda's chipotle habanero hot sauce in it for dinner.
I'm claiming that as my solution for fending off any side effects other than the sore arm.
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Here was my process after 2nd shot.
I ate a Wawa hoagie about a 90 minutes before my shot to have some solid food in my stomach. Got home after the shot and drank a quart of Gatorade. Drank 5+ pints of water the rest of the afternoon. Ate a can of Progresso chicken noodle soup with about 5 shakes of Melinda's chipotle habanero hot sauce in it for dinner.
I'm claiming that as my solution for fending off any side effects other than the sore arm.
Eat and drink. How can you go wrong...
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Copious amount of adult beverage works also. ;)
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Copious amount of adult beverage works also. ;)
That's my plan for Friday evening. I get my second Moderna Friday morning at 11. It's strictly for medicinal purposes. :beer:
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From what I read, it is not recommended to drink alcoholic beverages within at least 24 hours before or after the shot. I waited until about 30 hours after both times
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Looks like the FDA is doing it's thing with the J&J vaccine. 6 cases of rare blood clotting reported after 6.7million vaccinations. I suspect that it will turn out to be no more than the incidence in the unvaccinated public. But we shall see. Expect lots of jabber on the news and wide stock market fluctuations today. Meanwhile life goes on.
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From what I read, it is not recommended to drink alcoholic beverages within at least 24 hours before or after the shot. I waited until about 30 hours after both times
My wife and I both had a beer yesterday afternoon. It has been about 24 house since we got our J&J shots. I have had no reactions except for soreness at the shot location. My wife woke up during the night with the shakes, nausea and bad headache. She is feeling some better now, but she went back to bed to try to get some sleep. She now is freaking about the blood clots and the pausing of the shots. My brother and SIL cancelled their appointments to get the shot today due to this.
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From what I read, it is not recommended to drink alcoholic beverages within at least 24 hours before or after the shot. I waited until about 30 hours after both times
My wife and I both had a beer yesterday afternoon. It has been about 24 house since we got our J&J shots. I have had no reactions except for soreness at the shot location. My wife woke up during the night with the shakes, nausea and bad headache. She is feeling some better now, but she went back to bed to try to get some sleep. She now is freaking about the blood clots and the pausing of the shots. My brother and SIL cancelled their appointments to get the shot today due to this.
The rate is less that one in a million. The incidence of deep vein thrombosis in the general public is one in a thousand on an annual basis. Reminds me of a joke:
Husband and wife are listening to the news, and the newscaster says " Chance of a meteor striking your house is one in ten billion." at which point the husband faints and falls to the floor unconscious. When he arouses his wife says "why did you faint? The news man said the chances were only one in 10 billion." To which the husbands sighs in relief and says "Oh, I thought he said one in 10 million".
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I got my second Moderna vaccine yesterday at 11AM. Around 830 last night my back started feeling sore so I sat with a heating pad on it and watched some TV for about an hour and that helped quite a bit. I went to bed a little after 10 and felt like I was kind of in a mild mental fog. I slept pretty well but I couldn't sleep on my left side because the injection spot was too sore. I got up this morning sore all over like I had a really good workout yesterday. After some coffee and a couple of hours of being up and moving around I'm fine. My wife is pretty much to same as far as how she feels. I was afraid it would touch off her arthritis but so far it hasn't. She got hers at 330 yesterday afternoon, so we have a little time differential between us. She hasn't complained about anything at least so far.
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Our son came down with the virus shortly after he had his first shot. He and his boss caught it at work from a new employee. He did have a fever of 104 that broke within a day or two. Now he has lost his ability to taste and smell. He is going on his fifth day of quarantine and says all food taste like mush. Hopefully he will get his taste buds and sense of smell back quickly but he knows it can last two weeks or even longer
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Our son came down with the virus shortly after he had his first shot. He and his boss caught it at work from a new employee. He did have a fever of 104 that broke within a day or two. Now he has lost his ability to taste and smell. He is going on his fifth day of quarantine and says all food taste like mush. Hopefully he will get his taste buds and sense of smell back quickly but he knows it can last two weeks or even longer
Best of luck to your son. I know some people who have contracted this and each experience seems to differ. Some never lost the smell and taste, others did. One of the people had his smell and taste come back in a couple weeks, the other, after a couple months, is still not normal.
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It has been a week now since my wife and I got the J&J shots and all is good. My wife suffered for several days, but I had not ill effects except for a sore arm. We were told to wear our mask for two weeks and then we could quit wearing them. My wife wears it, but I wear it about half the time.
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I'm pleased to report my 17 year old daughter and I received our initial Pfizer dose on Saturday. Incredibly fast, efficient and professional. May 8th we'll get our second. We'll be socializing prior to the second shot. Time for us to move forward IMO. Not true for everyone, but true for us.
DK
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I'm pleased to report my 17 year old daughter and I received our initial Pfizer dose on Saturday. Incredibly fast, efficient and professional. May 8nd we'll get our second. We'll be socializing prior to the second shot. Time for us to move forward IMO. Not true for everyone, but true for us.
DK
We are waiting to socialize (poker game already planned ;D) until after our 2nd shot in 3 days and 6 minutes, but who's counting.
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In case you didn't see the Nashville Trip thread, I have been socializing since a day or so after the second shot. Thursday will be my 2 week period after the second shot. If I come back from this trip without catching covid, I will be ready to go to stadiums for some sporting events.
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Looks like we may not get out of the woods for a while.
The experts say soon we will be hitting the tipping point where there is more vaccine than the people that want to take it.
This will impact getting to the herd immunity level which would contain the spread of the virus.
Also say that after having both shots, you should only socialize with people that have had both shots.
Just because you can't get sick from it, it doesn't mean you can't carry it and spread it to others.
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/supply-vs-demand-when-will-the-scales-tip-on-covid-19-vaccination-in-the-u-s/
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If this statement is in regards to waiting until everyone has had the opportunity, I can accept this reasoning.
But speaking as someone who has no intention of getting vaccinated. You don't have to worry about giving it to me, that is a choice I have made and I have no problem accepting the realities that go along with that decision.
Also say that after having both shots, you should only socialize with people that have had both shots.
Just because you can't get sick from it, it doesn't mean you can't carry it and spread it to others.
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Looks like we may not get out of the woods for a while.
The experts say soon we will be hitting the tipping point where there is more vaccine than the people that want to take it.
This will impact getting to the herd immunity level which would contain the spread of the virus.
Also say that after having both shots, you should only socialize with people that have had both shots.
Just because you can't get sick from it, it doesn't mean you can't carry it and spread it to others.
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/supply-vs-demand-when-will-the-scales-tip-on-covid-19-vaccination-in-the-u-s/
Don't know how this works for me and Bent. I am vaccinated, he isn't ever going to be. So what, I make him move out? Also, we are going to MI in about 10 days so in the car together.
Further, there is not one expert, who, if they are being truly intellectually honest, can tell us when herd immunity will be reached for this virus, there simply isn't the data to make that prediction. I guess I agree with Harry Truman, experts should be on tap not on top. I will listen to what they have to say and make my own decisions. And after 30 years of both retaining and deposing experts on a variety of topics, I can guarantee I can find plenty who will support whatever view I want them to support.
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I think what they are trying to say is that when the majority have been vaccinated (herd immunity), people getting sick from the virus will go way down and will greatly reduce the spreading of the virus.
Reason being, the majority of the people you would come in contact with would be vaccinated, so you can't make them sick, and they can't make you sick.
In you situation Kristin, you could go to the store, pick up a can off the shelf that someone with the virus picked up and put back.
You could then go home and pass it to Bentley.
That situation may or may not be far fetched, but you get the point.
Also the reason to wear masks, wash hands, social distance, yadda, yadda, after being vaccinated.
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Yes, I have understood for a year how transmission works and what herd immunity is. And now the CDC is saying that transmission from touching objects is virtually non-existent. That wasn't my point. My point is that he is never to be vaccinated and I am, so under their reasoning we should have nothing to do with each other which is not possible. Sometimes experts live in a world of theory not reality.
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So since 1 in 5 say they will not get vaccinated, is 80% your definition of herd immunity?
I think what they are trying to say is that when the majority have been vaccinated (herd immunity), people getting sick from the virus will go way down and will greatly reduce the spreading of the virus.
Reason being, the majority of the people you would come in contact with would be vaccinated, so you can't make them sick, and they can't make you sick.
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So since 1 in 5 say they will not get vaccinated, is 80% your definition of herd immunity?
I think what they are trying to say is that when the majority have been vaccinated (herd immunity), people getting sick from the virus will go way down and will greatly reduce the spreading of the virus.
Reason being, the majority of the people you would come in contact with would be vaccinated, so you can't make them sick, and they can't make you sick.
I have been wondering about herd immunity for a while.
I was speaking with the pharmacist at my store regarding the fact that the J&J vaccine was said to be "only" around 70% and the other 2 were said to be in the upper 90s. Anyway, he made the comment that the flu vaccine is only 30%-40% effective. I asked why we even bother and he said "herd immunity"
If we can reach herd immunity with less than half of the population getting a vaccine that is at best 40% effective then why do we need so many people to get the Covid vaccine to reach herd immunity?
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I understand completely if Bentley does not want the shots and I have not problem with his decision. My brother is refusing to also, but he may due to his kids and grandkids. My wife and I got the J&J shot. We wanted to protect ourselves being we are wanting to get back to traveling the country in our motorhome. We also get our yearly flu shots and we both believe we will have to take a yearly Covid shot which I assume would be another J&J shot. It has been 11 days since we got our shots.
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So since 1 in 5 say they will not get vaccinated, is 80% your definition of herd immunity?
Not my definition.
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I think that sooner or later the 20% will get the virus and thereby develop antibodies. However, since they don't know how long the antibodies from either source, vaccine or the virus its self, will last, if/when herd immunity will develop is still an unknown. It could be that those vaccinated will have to get a shot yearly and the 20% will experience repetitive infection.
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I have a feeling that only 40 to 50% of the nation as a whole will get the vaccine. It is interesting to follow the WaPo vaccine tracker. A lot of slow down in a lot of states at 30 to 40%.
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Just got our second Pfizer shot about 45 minutes ago.
Not wait and see what side effects, if any, besides sore arm.
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I had flu like symptoms after the second Pfizer vaccine. Most of my friends and coworkers had none or minimal symptoms.
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We are 19 hours past 2nd Pfizer shot and no side effects other than the expected sore arm.
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It has now been 14 days since we got out J&J shots. We can go maskless now and we had no blood clot issues.
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It has now been 14 days since we got out J&J shots. We can go maskless now and we had no blood clot issues.
You might have a tough time finding a business that will let you in without one.
At least until the Fed/Local Government says it's OK to.
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It has now been 14 days since we got out J&J shots. We can go maskless now and we had no blood clot issues.
You might have a tough time finding a business that will let you in without one.
At least until the Fed/Local Government says it's OK to.
That really depends on the state. A lot of states don't have mask requirements in effect and the feds only have jurisdiction to require masks on federal property.
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MS no masks but most place required one indoors regardless of state requirements
VA and TN masks
CDC coming out with new guidance tomorrow on masks while outdoors
I have not been wearing one outside since I became fully vaccinated. I do wear one inside when the store has sign on door requiring it.
Having traveled for the last 3 weeks (via car) I would say 25%-50% of people had a mask on outdoors depending on where I was.
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It has now been 14 days since we got out J&J shots. We can go maskless now and we had no blood clot issues.
You might have a tough time finding a business that will let you in without one.
At least until the Fed/Local Government says it's OK to.
Where I am living at now it is about half mask/half no mask. Even the local post office is mostly no masks. The local restaurants have the signs up saying masks are required, but most people are not wearing them. The grocers and the national chains stores are the one's that are requiring them.
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Looks like we may not get out of the woods for a while.
The experts say soon we will be hitting the tipping point where there is more vaccine than the people that want to take it.
This will impact getting to the herd immunity level which would contain the spread of the virus.
Also say that after having both shots, you should only socialize with people that have had both shots.
Just because you can't get sick from it, it doesn't mean you can't carry it and spread it to others.
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/supply-vs-demand-when-will-the-scales-tip-on-covid-19-vaccination-in-the-u-s/
On Saturday, our counties second largest vaccination site only was at 50% capacity for reservations. So they said no more reservations, pre-fill out your paperwork, and we'll get you vaccinated. Anyone 16 and over who wants one can get one. Pfizer. Washington State. They even allow folks from Oregon to cross the river.
This was my vaccination site a week and a half ago. I saw the article in the local (digital) paper, forwarded to a friend from Oregon, she got her first shot this morning at 10:30, no line.
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My wife got her 1st shot (and will get her 2nd) in MS as PA was not at a stage where she qualified before she went to visit her mother. They didn't even ask her for her drivers license.
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On Saturday, our counties second largest vaccination site only was at 50% capacity for reservations. So they said no more reservations, pre-fill out your paperwork, and we'll get you vaccinated. Anyone 16 and over who wants one can get one. Pfizer. Washington State. They even allow folks from Oregon to cross the river.
This was my vaccination site a week and a half ago. I saw the article in the local (digital) paper, forwarded to a friend from Oregon, she got her first shot this morning at 10:30, no line.
We experienced similar.
When we got out first, it took over 10 min. just to park and walk to the building, then 20+ minutes waiting in line before we got our shots.
Last Friday when we got our 2nd shot, we were able to park right next to the building, walked in and went straight up go get our shots. No wait.
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My wife got her 1st shot (and will get her 2nd) in MS as PA was not at a stage where she qualified before she went to visit her mother. They didn't even ask her for her drivers license.
That's cool.
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Got the J&J shot Thursday; was achy for a couple of days. Work has a contest where if 30% get vaxed, there's a drawing for $5K after taxes, after 50% it's $10K, and after 70%, it $20K! I would put a :cool: emoji up here, but there's 1200 people at the plant, and I've never won a thing in my life.... ::)
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Got the J&J shot Thursday; was achy for a couple of days. Work has a contest where if 30% get vaxed, there's a drawing for $5K after taxes, after 50% it's $10K, and after 70%, it $20K! I would put a :cool: emoji up here, but there's 1200 people at the plant, and I've never won a thing in my life.... ::)
Now that's the way to incentivize folks! I assume only those vaccinated go into the drawing, so your odds go up!
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Been a week since I received my second Pfizer dosage. One more week until I hit that magic complete vaccination point. I followed our own BBL's guidance for curbing reactions to the second dose. No alcohol for two days prior to the shot and for two days after the shot and drank lots of water. My shot was at 0900 so grabbed a Pork Roll, Egg and Cheese on a Roll on the way to have a "good" full stomach. I know BBL recommended a sub from WaWa, but it was morning and thought the PEC would be a great substitute. Downed a bottle of H2O (12 oz) and half a bottle (20 oz) of Gator Aid with the sandwich. Post shot drank the rest of the Gator Aid and made sure I drank a lot of water for the rest of the day and following day. Had very little soreness in my arm, which was gone by the following morning, and only really felt a little tired and groggy the following day. Nothing really major. All in all a pretty good experience. Thanks for the guidance BBL. Not sure if that is what helped me, but I know for sure it did not hurt. Highly recommend.
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Glad to hear that my "medical" advice paid off for someone else.
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My wife and I went to a local small town Walmart and we did not wear our mask. We have had our shots and we don't plan on wearing them unless we are told to my management of the store. No one said anything to us. Most people did, but there were a lot of people without them.
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I've seen similar in TN and VA on my drive home this past week. One place had even changed their sign on the door to masks recommended instead of required.
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After getting my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine, I was really tired from 24 hours after to about 48 hours after the vaccine. Otherwise no side affects that I recall.
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Pfizer jab #2 Saturday. Fatigue, sore arm. Nothing more, but I whined anyway. My 17 year old must have slept 18 hours the day after. Shakes and sweating. She's fine today :)
DK
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well the CDC basically says we're done. Yesterday my 14 year old daughter got her first jab. Normal life is almost here. Went to a gas station and a pub yesterday. I was the only one wearing a mask. And I'm now fully vaccinated. I don't really have a point in continuing this thread other than to encourage others to get us to herd immunity. Even if that definition shifts. When I had kids I started getting the flu vaccine. I'll treat Covid same way even if it requires an annual booster.
DK
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The couple of scientific/medical article I have been reading in the last few days are basically saying they are giving up on herd immunity. I never felt like normal had left me. I was forced into wearing things I would never have worn, but this flu never stopped me from doing or seeing things I wanted.
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Things were far from normal for my wife and I. She came from a family of seven. All but one resides in the SF bay area. In March 2020, my mother-in-law, father-in-law and their caregiver were moved from their assisted living facility into our home. That lasted for about two months. My father-in-law figured at that point that their facility had put in place proper Covid protocols. Then there were all of the missed family gatherings. In years past, we have had up to 40 people at our house for Thanksgiving dinner. This past year it was just my wife and I plus two of our adult kids.
The other thing we missed was traveling. In the fall of 2019, we traveled all over central Europe. Little did we know that Covid was already making it's rounds there. One of my daughters went on a snowboarding trip to Switzerland in February 2020. She crossed into northern Italy one afternoon for lunch. A few weeks later that area was overrun by Covid. This ended her future travel plans for a while. Our immediate family is meeting up in Hawaii in July. At least this make things seem a little more normal even though we have to go through that state's strict entry rules.
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Mask mandate was over at Midnight last night and all restrictions in Virginia are to be lifted at the end of the month. Finally an end to this BS here!
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I am still surprised of how many people are wearing a mask outdoors. I see this one man riding a bicycle all the time and wearing a mask.
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I understand what you are saying, but I say do what makes you feel safe. I am sure there will be lots of people that this becomes a way of life. I have no issue with that.
I am still surprised of how many people are wearing a mask outdoors. I see this one man riding a bicycle all the time and wearing a mask.
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I got my second Pfizer a week ago. The first one didn't affect me, but this time I did feel a little under the weather. Nothing I couldn't cope with, though, and I am fine now.
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Latest misdirection: The MRNA vaccines cause myocarditis. Technically true but in minuscule numbers. Sounds scary but reports now reveal the sx are very mild or not at all, and it resolves quickly with no known residual. Well, I thought back to the days when I was a medical resident and fellow in cardio-pulmonary disease. My cardiologist mentor was in process of writing a book on diseases of the myocardium. (that is diseases that affected the muscle tissue of the heart). He asked me if I would be interested in writing a chapter for the book on viral diseases that affected the myocardium. Naively I said yes. Having no such experience, I started by checking out every journal and book from the Southwestern Medical School Library in Dallas that had articles or info on virus and the heart. That was in 1966! I was overwhelmed by number and variety of virus involvement. Some virus's causing serious illness and others only incidental changes in rhythm and ECG patterns. Bottom line: many viruses including measles, mumps, chicken pox, hepatitis A and B, influenza, etc can cause changes in ECG, rhythm, and more serious disfunction. But most were transient and often resolved as the disease resolved. Most of the time the changes are not symptomatic. In other words, the viremia that occurs initially invades the whole body before it finally affects the primary target area. However, in pregnant women it can cause damage to the fetus in the early stages and was a major cause of congenital heart diseases in the infant, esp. in measles.
What happened: I ended up breaking a record for library withdrawals. I finished the chapter in hand written form, typed it and gave it to my mentor. The book never got finished. I ended up with a vast knowledge of relatively useless material. And have no clue where the original handwritten material is now located.
Conclusion. If you are at risk by age or illness, take the vaccine. It has proven by trial to be one of the safest of all time (so far), and also one of the most effective. Even good against the new variants so far. We are not yet done with the Chinese Curse!
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Thanks, again, for your cogent comments, Okie. This is such a great group of people.
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New Mexico's goal has been to get 60% fully vaccinated before reopening fully.
Last night's news said we are about 10,000 short of that goal, but are still going to fully open July 1.
We have been in the low 100's for new cases daily and less than 10 deaths daily.
Safe practices are still recommended.
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A BUMMER: Some Canadians were vaccinated with AstraZeneca. Evidently this is a non approved vaccine in the USA.. Therefore people vaccinated with it will be denied entry to the US..Just read about
this in the paper.. For now it would be stay @ home or revaccinate.
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A BUMMER: Some Canadians were vaccinated with AstraZeneca. Evidently this is a non approved vaccine in the USA.. Therefore people vaccinated with it will be denied entry to the US..Just read about
this in the paper.. For now it would be stay @ home or revaccinate.
That is unfortunate. It amazes me how one vaccine is good for one country but not for another. Russia and China have their own vaccines I believe. It is a shame that all countries can't come to an agreement to use the same vaccines.
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That doesn't seem correct. From the CDC website:
People are considered fully vaccinated*:
2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or
2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine
* This guidance applies to COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized for emergency use by the Food and Drug Administration: Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson (J&J)/Janssen COVID-19 vaccines. This guidance can also be applied to COVID-19 vaccines that have been authorized for emergency use by the World Health Organization (e.g. AstraZeneca/Oxford). See WHO’s websiteexternal icon for more information about WHO-authorized COVID-19 vaccines.
See:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/international-travel-during-covid19.html
And shorten your time on the site by searching for the two * on that page.
Emphasis added.
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From local ABC station today:
The delta variant, a more transmissible and possibly more dangerous strain of coronavirus, now makes up more than half of all new U.S. infections in the country, according to estimates from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Delta accounts for 51.7% of new infections in the U.S., according to the CDC. The alpha variant, which has dominated for months, now accounts for 28.7% of cases, the CDC said.
“If ever there was a reason to get vaccinated, this is it,” Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN on Tuesday.
The variant poses a “significant threat,” to unvaccinated people, Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said.
The variant is not only more transmissible, it can also cause more severe disease, Fauci said.
And people in areas where the vaccination rate is low are especially at risk, health officials say.
“The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
“When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road.”
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Thank you to everyone who has received the vaccine and contributed to beating this virus and getting our lives back to normal.
We still need to push to get over the finish line before new variants develop that are immune to our vaccines.
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It is a shame that all countries can't come to an agreement to use the same vaccines.
Heck we can't come to an agreement in the US so no way different countries will come to an agreement.
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Well we may be lining up for another shot in the future. It looks like the US is headed into a fourth wave with the delta variant. The current vaccines do offer some protection but we still need to exercise caution. A little over a week ago the data from Provincetown, MA showing numerous cases of breakthrough infections:
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-07-30/provincetown-outbreak-shows-delta-can-spread-among-vaccinated-but-cases-are-mild
In the SF Bay Area, a third shot is being offered to those with compromised immunity. This will help but updated vaccines are needed to battle the emerging variants. The trouble is this just doesn't happen instantaneously. We may be getting boosters of the existing vaccines until better vaccines are released. For now, I am avoiding crowds.
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Since I'm more or less already in forced isolation, can't drive and limited walking, for the next few months, I'll do nothing different other than get a booster shot if it becomes available.
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Since I'm more or less already in forced isolation, can't drive and limited walking, for the next few months, I'll do nothing different other than get a booster shot if it becomes available.
I'll be in the same boat in a few months. I just got my place in line for knee replacement yesterday. Both knees require replacement so first one then the other a few months later.
It looks like the third dose of the vaccine is coming down the pipe according to the New York Times. The third shot will be given eight months after the second dose. Plans are still in the works
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Thank you to everyone who has received the vaccine and contributed to beating this virus and getting our lives back to normal.
We still need to push to get over the finish line before new variants develop that are immune to our vaccines.
I agree
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Since I'm more or less already in forced isolation, can't drive and limited walking, for the next few months, I'll do nothing different other than get a booster shot if it becomes available.
I'll be in the same boat in a few months. I just got my place in line for knee replacement yesterday. Both knees require replacement so first one then the other a few months later.
It looks like the third dose of the vaccine is coming down the pipe according to the New York Times. The third shot will be given eight months after the second dose. Plans are still in the works
That would be in September for us. Will look for it.
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My wife and I will receive our booster in Oc and Nov. the regular flu shot and the booster cannot be given at the same time. So I will receive the booster in October and flu shot in November. My wife will do it just the opposite as she got her COVID shot after me
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Boy - y'all got your shots early. I got mine the first chance I had and it was in late April when I (wife also) got the J&J vaccine. It still has not been determined when to do a booster shot or not. We got our yearly flu shots November/December. We will make that decision at that time to get a CV-19 booster shot or not (if necessary).
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Boy - y'all got your shots early. I got mine the first chance I had and it was in late April when I (wife also) got the J&J vaccine. It still has not been determined when to do a booster shot or not. We got our yearly flu shots November/December. We will make that decision at that time to get a CV-19 booster shot or not (if necessary).
Same for us, wife and I didn't get ours until April.
We usually get our Flu shot in Sept/Oct so we should be good there.
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I got mine in March. I will get a booster if and when it becomes available.
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Boy - y'all got your shots early. I got mine the first chance I had and it was in late April when I (wife also) got the J&J vaccine. It still has not been determined when to do a booster shot or not. We got our yearly flu shots November/December. We will make that decision at that time to get a CV-19 booster shot or not (if necessary).
We were pretty lucky in our area. The Stanford Healthcare system did the registration online and they seemed to score a mother-lode of vaccines. I kept checking twice a day for availability in January and scored an appointment the first week of February. I was in and out of the hospital in 20 minutes. The second was just as easy. They converted their system to drive through a month later at the local fairgrounds for new recipients. My wife had to wait a month due to other meds she was on but it was just as fast at the fairgrounds. Kudos to the Stanford Healthcare system.
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From the Washington Post, info which may be helpful to some:
"When Mike Burton came down with a breakthrough case of covid-19 earlier this month, the infection posed a double threat to his family. At 73, the retired surgeon faced elevated risk of serious illness. His wife, Linda, has a suppressed immune system, the result of drugs she takes after two liver transplants that put her in greater danger of life-threatening illness.
The Burtons, both vaccinated, moved to separate parts of their Mt. Sterling, Ky., home, masked up and hoped for the best. Then a friend called and insisted they ask their doctors about monoclonal antibodies — an effective, widely available covid-19 therapy that few people are receiving.
The drugs often prevent severe disease, keeping people like Mike Burton out of the hospital if taken within seven to 10 days after symptoms begin. And since last month, they can be given prophylactically to millions of people like Linda Burton who have been exposed to the coronavirus and are at high risk of serious consequences.
Monoclonal antibodies are free to patients and there have been almost no side effects. They are accessible on an outpatient basis, via a single infusion or four injections. Hospitals, urgent-care centers and even private doctors are authorized to dispense them. But Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, maker of the only authorized, free monoclonal antibodies, said it is reaching fewer than 30 percent of eligible patients, up from fewer than 5 percent a month ago.
The White House COVID-19 Response Team reported last week that just more than 600,000 people have received the treatment since Regeneron and Eli Lilly received approval for separate versions in November. (Lilly’s product is no longer authorized because it is not effective against the delta variant.)....
Mike Burton, the Kentucky surgeon, experienced a turnaround after he received his infusion of monoclonal antibodies last week. He went to bed that night still plagued by fever, chills, a bad cough, clogged sinuses and fatigue. He woke up the next morning without any of the symptoms except fatigue and a milder cough, Linda Burton said. She did not become infected."
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This is not a knock on Bentley as we know his stance on the vaccine.
Do you think people that will not take the vaccine will accept the monoclonal antibodies?
And, thank you for the information. Good to know in case I happen to get sick. I wonder when they will have something similar for the flu or pneumonia.
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I don't know if this has any effect on non-vaccinated folks or not. I was more interested in the fact that it seems to be helpful for those who are vaccinated and suffer a break through case and the immuno compromised. You don't want to take the vaccine, you "takes your chances". But if you are trying to keep safe, then good info to know in my book.
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I've been reading articles suggesting that those who are vaccinated get a booster shot. I infer that the vaccines' effectiveness perishes over time.
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I've been reading articles suggesting that those who are vaccinated get a booster shot. I infer that the vaccines' effectiveness perishes over time.
You are correct. But different vaccines have different lifetimes. Current CV vaccines are just making their longevity known to researchers. Looks like the CV Pfizer starts to diminish at about 8 months or so. (I am sure that will change a bit as they glean more info). Not sure about the Moderna duration of peak effect. J J&J is still being evaluated for length of efficiency. Others are in the mill also.
Influenza vaccine initially was peak for about 4 months with rapid fall off. Several years ago, they doubled the dose with result of longer life. Good for the annual season. Virus mutates often, so sometimes they do not get it right for the current season.
Measles vaccine is probably good for many years and maybe life.
Mumps is long term
SmallPox is good for life. And because of it's safety is has been universally used in the past with complete irradication of small pox. It is made from CowPox virus which only rarely occurs in humans.
Chickenpox vaccine lasts a lifetime as well, and protects against chickenpox but does not prevent Shingles later in life. Shingles is chickenpox virus that is dormant in those who have had CP or the vaccine, but can activate in the nervous system, often producing a painful isolated rash disease usually in peripheral nerves, and rarely in the brain area.
Tetanus vaccine lasts several years and is a must for infants, teens and young adults. Not a bad idea to renew also in all adults.
Not sure about the lifetimes of the various other vaccines out there but that info is available on the web, I am sure.
It appears that the CV virus like influenza is here to stay and will mutate from time to time. Thus immunization at proper intervals makes sense. And since the Delta is producing serious disease and some deaths in the young, it looks like we will soon be giving it to preteens and perhaps infants in the future. I am not qualified to argue the pro's and con's of that subject.
I plan to get the booster when available.
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I was told my my doctor many years ago that they had data from Viet Nam war vets that showed that the tetanus vaccine may be good for at least 25 years. They still recommend every 10. Mine is due in a year.
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I don't know if this has any effect on non-vaccinated folks or not. I was more interested in the fact that it seems to be helpful for those who are vaccinated and suffer a break through case and the immuno compromised. You don't want to take the vaccine, you "takes your chances". But if you are trying to keep safe, then good info to know in my book.
The monoclonal antibodies medicine was recently given to Gov. Abbott of Texas amongst other leader that have become infected. My wife pointed out that our local healthcare system announced it is now available in our town. It has been proven effective.
Now for the dark side of the internet medical force. I spoke to a friend who was actually was my boss from time to time over the years and our families have know each other for over 25 years. He held a VP position at a large corporation we once worked at. He told me he and his large family refuses to get vaccinated. I didn't bother to ask why knowing where he gets his information from. He has his a large family with like more than 12 grand kids He as all of them taking Ivermectin. My comment to him was "the stuff we give our dogs for heartworm prevention"? I relayed the conversation to my daughter who is an associate professor of veterinary medicine at a vet school back east. She laughed.
Today, my daughter received an email from the FDA and her state veterinary medical association threatening disciplinary against any vet prescribing Invermectin for humans. She forwarded the email to me with a chuckle.
Back in 1996, I was using the internet for researching technological information and thought it was the greatest resource ever. One of my fellow managers said the internet was scariest thing he had ever seen. He said this will someday become the greatest source of misinformation ever. In retrospect, how prophetic.
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Back in 1996, I was using the internet for researching technological information and thought it was the greatest resource ever. One of my fellow managers said the internet was scariest thing he had ever seen. He said this will someday become the greatest source of misinformation ever. In retrospect, how prophetic.
I understand what you are saying, but I guess I view it differently. People want to believe what they want to believe so will always seek out the source that supports their world view. Even if it is a snake oil salesman -- and they know it! The biggest gift we could give to any child growing up is how to: (1) effectively research an issue; and (2) effectively analyze and reasonably approach an issue. I am not holding my breath on our ability to accomplish this goal.
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Back in 1996, I was using the internet for researching technological information and thought it was the greatest resource ever. One of my fellow managers said the internet was scariest thing he had ever seen. He said this will someday become the greatest source of misinformation ever. In retrospect, how prophetic.
I understand what you are saying, but I guess I view it differently. People want to believe what they want to believe so will always seek out the source that supports their world view. Even if it is a snake oil salesman -- and they know it! The biggest gift we could give to any child growing up is how to: (1) effectively research an issue; and (2) effectively analyze and reasonably approach an issue. I am not holding my breath on our ability to accomplish this goal.
Those are two great things that should be in a curriculum. Teaching them how to manage money would be another great thing to add.
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I don't know if this has any effect on non-vaccinated folks or not. I was more interested in the fact that it seems to be helpful for those who are vaccinated and suffer a break through case and the immuno compromised. You don't want to take the vaccine, you "takes your chances". But if you are trying to keep safe, then good info to know in my book.
The monoclonal antibodies medicine was recently given to Gov. Abbott of Texas amongst other leader that have become infected. My wife pointed out that our local healthcare system announced it is now available in our town. It has been proven effective.
Now for the dark side of the internet medical force. I spoke to a friend who was actually was my boss from time to time over the years and our families have know each other for over 25 years. He held a VP position at a large corporation we once worked at. He told me he and his large family refuses to get vaccinated. I didn't bother to ask why knowing where he gets his information from. He has his a large family with like more than 12 grand kids He as all of them taking Ivermectin. My comment to him was "the stuff we give our dogs for heartworm prevention"? I relayed the conversation to my daughter who is an associate professor of veterinary medicine at a vet school back east. She laughed.
Today, my daughter received an email from the FDA and her state veterinary medical association threatening disciplinary against any vet prescribing Invermectin for humans. She forwarded the email to me with a chuckle.
Back in 1996, I was using the internet for researching technological information and thought it was the greatest resource ever. One of my fellow managers said the internet was scariest thing he had ever seen. He said this will someday become the greatest source of misinformation ever. In retrospect, how prophetic.
I am not going to claim to know one way or the other, but Ivermectin was used in India, and at the point it was introduced, the case load went from 35,000 a day to about 350 a day in weeks. That is probably what your friend is basing some of his information from. Was Ivermectin the silver bullet? That is for scientists to decide. The problem is the ones with the biggest bully pulpit in the U.S. no longer use the scientific method, but seem to just default to the highly politicized FDA and CDC that only push vaccination. I have attached a link to a study done in health care workers in India where they studied the use of Ivermectin. It is just information, it is good to have as much as possible.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33592050/
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Back in 1996, I was using the internet for researching technological information and thought it was the greatest resource ever. One of my fellow managers said the internet was scariest thing he had ever seen. He said this will someday become the greatest source of misinformation ever. In retrospect, how prophetic.
I understand what you are saying, but I guess I view it differently. People want to believe what they want to believe so will always seek out the source that supports their world view. Even if it is a snake oil salesman -- and they know it! The biggest gift we could give to any child growing up is how to: (1) effectively research an issue; and (2) effectively analyze and reasonably approach an issue. I am not holding my breath on our ability to accomplish this goal.
Those are two great things that should be in a curriculum. Teaching them how to manage money would be another great thing to add.
It really depends upon the school district and program. We've been fortunate to find magnate programs (still public school). International Baccalaureate is a rigorous program of study that is globally recognized. My oldest is in that program. We also have a STEM program (STEM focus across all subjects plus group projects that are more geared towards real world employment and results) that my youngest is fortunate enough to attend. Both highly stress Kristin's point. I just call it the internet BS meter, but the kids are getting exposed to intelligent research.
Financial education. Well that's coming from their parents. I had better financial education in the late 80's and early 90's.
DK
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I don't know if this has any effect on non-vaccinated folks or not. I was more interested in the fact that it seems to be helpful for those who are vaccinated and suffer a break through case and the immuno compromised. You don't want to take the vaccine, you "takes your chances". But if you are trying to keep safe, then good info to know in my book.
The monoclonal antibodies medicine was recently given to Gov. Abbott of Texas amongst other leader that have become infected. My wife pointed out that our local healthcare system announced it is now available in our town. It has been proven effective.
Now for the dark side of the internet medical force. I spoke to a friend who was actually was my boss from time to time over the years and our families have know each other for over 25 years. He held a VP position at a large corporation we once worked at. He told me he and his large family refuses to get vaccinated. I didn't bother to ask why knowing where he gets his information from. He has his a large family with like more than 12 grand kids He as all of them taking Ivermectin. My comment to him was "the stuff we give our dogs for heartworm prevention"? I relayed the conversation to my daughter who is an associate professor of veterinary medicine at a vet school back east. She laughed.
Today, my daughter received an email from the FDA and her state veterinary medical association threatening disciplinary against any vet prescribing Invermectin for humans. She forwarded the email to me with a chuckle.
Back in 1996, I was using the internet for researching technological information and thought it was the greatest resource ever. One of my fellow managers said the internet was scariest thing he had ever seen. He said this will someday become the greatest source of misinformation ever. In retrospect, how prophetic.
I am not going to claim to know one way or the other, but Ivermectin was used in India, and at the point it was introduced, the case load went from 35,000 a day to about 350 a day in weeks. That is probably what your friend is basing some of his information from. Was Ivermectin the silver bullet? That is for scientists to decide. The problem is the ones with the biggest bully pulpit in the U.S. no longer use the scientific method, but seem to just default to the highly politicized FDA and CDC that only push vaccination. I have attached a link to a study done in health care workers in India where they studied the use of Ivermectin. It is just information, it is good to have as much as possible.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33592050/
The jury is still out until the results of the Oxford PRINCIPLE study that was started in June comes out. My friend based his use of Ivermectin on an internet medical doctor. The doctor's YouTube talk that my friend forwarded to me several months back has since been pulled.
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Back in 1996, I was using the internet for researching technological information and thought it was the greatest resource ever. One of my fellow managers said the internet was scariest thing he had ever seen. He said this will someday become the greatest source of misinformation ever. In retrospect, how prophetic.
I understand what you are saying, but I guess I view it differently. People want to believe what they want to believe so will always seek out the source that supports their world view. Even if it is a snake oil salesman -- and they know it! The biggest gift we could give to any child growing up is how to: (1) effectively research an issue; and (2) effectively analyze and reasonably approach an issue. I am not holding my breath on our ability to accomplish this goal.
Yep.
Those are two great things that should be in a curriculum. Teaching them how to manage money would be another great thing to add.
Yep.
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My brother finally gave in and got the J&J shot today. Most of the people that we know are vaccinated now.
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I don't know if this has any effect on non-vaccinated folks or not. I was more interested in the fact that it seems to be helpful for those who are vaccinated and suffer a break through case and the immuno compromised. You don't want to take the vaccine, you "takes your chances". But if you are trying to keep safe, then good info to know in my book.
The monoclonal antibodies medicine was recently given to Gov. Abbott of Texas amongst other leader that have become infected. My wife pointed out that our local healthcare system announced it is now available in our town. It has been proven effective.
Now for the dark side of the internet medical force. I spoke to a friend who was actually was my boss from time to time over the years and our families have know each other for over 25 years. He held a VP position at a large corporation we once worked at. He told me he and his large family refuses to get vaccinated. I didn't bother to ask why knowing where he gets his information from. He has his a large family with like more than 12 grand kids He as all of them taking Ivermectin. My comment to him was "the stuff we give our dogs for heartworm prevention"? I relayed the conversation to my daughter who is an associate professor of veterinary medicine at a vet school back east. She laughed.
Today, my daughter received an email from the FDA and her state veterinary medical association threatening disciplinary against any vet prescribing Invermectin for humans. She forwarded the email to me with a chuckle.
Back in 1996, I was using the internet for researching technological information and thought it was the greatest resource ever. One of my fellow managers said the internet was scariest thing he had ever seen. He said this will someday become the greatest source of misinformation ever. In retrospect, how prophetic.
I am not going to claim to know one way or the other, but Ivermectin was used in India, and at the point it was introduced, the case load went from 35,000 a day to about 350 a day in weeks. That is probably what your friend is basing some of his information from. Was Ivermectin the silver bullet? That is for scientists to decide. The problem is the ones with the biggest bully pulpit in the U.S. no longer use the scientific method, but seem to just default to the highly politicized FDA and CDC that only push vaccination. I have attached a link to a study done in health care workers in India where they studied the use of Ivermectin. It is just information, it is good to have as much as possible.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33592050/
The article was published in the open access, and pay to publish, PLOS One, rather than a publication specifically dedicated to the field of medicine, such as the Journal of the American Medical Society or the New England Journal of Medicine.
This does not mean that the results are bad. PLOS One is a way to get results in print, which then makes them referenceable for future publications.
The study described in the abstract is very limited in scope. It was published in February. It seems that there would be more in the literature by now if there was such a dramatic decrease in infections in India.
Keep in mind that the NIH label in PubMed and the url is because NIH hosts the document repository. This study is not NIH affiliated.
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I don't know if this has any effect on non-vaccinated folks or not. I was more interested in the fact that it seems to be helpful for those who are vaccinated and suffer a break through case and the immuno compromised. You don't want to take the vaccine, you "takes your chances". But if you are trying to keep safe, then good info to know in my book.
The monoclonal antibodies medicine was recently given to Gov. Abbott of Texas amongst other leader that have become infected. My wife pointed out that our local healthcare system announced it is now available in our town. It has been proven effective.
Now for the dark side of the internet medical force. I spoke to a friend who was actually was my boss from time to time over the years and our families have know each other for over 25 years. He held a VP position at a large corporation we once worked at. He told me he and his large family refuses to get vaccinated. I didn't bother to ask why knowing where he gets his information from. He has his a large family with like more than 12 grand kids He as all of them taking Ivermectin. My comment to him was "the stuff we give our dogs for heartworm prevention"? I relayed the conversation to my daughter who is an associate professor of veterinary medicine at a vet school back east. She laughed.
Today, my daughter received an email from the FDA and her state veterinary medical association threatening disciplinary against any vet prescribing Invermectin for humans. She forwarded the email to me with a chuckle.
Back in 1996, I was using the internet for researching technological information and thought it was the greatest resource ever. One of my fellow managers said the internet was scariest thing he had ever seen. He said this will someday become the greatest source of misinformation ever. In retrospect, how prophetic.
I am not going to claim to know one way or the other, but Ivermectin was used in India, and at the point it was introduced, the case load went from 35,000 a day to about 350 a day in weeks. That is probably what your friend is basing some of his information from. Was Ivermectin the silver bullet? That is for scientists to decide. The problem is the ones with the biggest bully pulpit in the U.S. no longer use the scientific method, but seem to just default to the highly politicized FDA and CDC that only push vaccination. I have attached a link to a study done in health care workers in India where they studied the use of Ivermectin. It is just information, it is good to have as much as possible.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33592050/
The article was published in the open access, and pay to publish, PLOS One, rather than a publication specifically dedicated to the field of medicine, such as the Journal of the American Medical Society or the New England Journal of Medicine.
This does not mean that the results are bad. PLOS One is a way to get results in print, which then makes them referenceable for future publications.
The study described in the abstract is very limited in scope. It was published in February. It seems that there would be more in the literature by now if there was such a dramatic decrease in infections in India.
Keep in mind that the NIH label in PubMed and the url is because NIH hosts the document repository. This study is not NIH affiliated.
It must have some merit. Tokyo Medical Association has just recommended all doctors start using Ivermectin to treat COVID. Apparently is has been used in Africa. They sited study results for deaths for African nations using it were 2.2/100k, vs. African nations not using it were at 29.2/100k when announcing.
There is a lot of literature on the use of Ivermectin for COVID, but if you utter the words around social or main stream media, you are canceled and blacked out. Again, the following link is just information, I am not claiming anything about the benefits or how the studies were conducted.
https://c19ivermectin.com
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I can understand if someone wants to uses it who does not have access to the 3 major vaccines in the US, but if you are going to be vaccinated, why not go with one of those? This stuff has not shown as much benefit as the 3 to the best of my knowledge.
It is this mind set that I do not understand, if you don't want a vaccine great. But it is as if these people are saying the Left wants me to take one of the 3...so I will not. I will take a Rx that was intended for animals...Sounds like me back when I was using.
Its to help horse's joints? Ahh, give me some anyway, I wanna start the game this Saturday!
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That ivermectin link is to an FLCCC Alliance site pushing ivermectin. It would be better to see something from a source less out in the fringe. This shows how easy it is to make something look better than it is on the world wide web.
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I can understand if someone wants to uses it who does not have access to the 3 major vaccines in the US, but if you are going to be vaccinated, why not go with one of those? This stuff has not shown as much benefit as the 3 to the best of my knowledge.
It is this mind set that I do not understand, if you don't want a vaccine great. But it is as if these people are saying the Left wants me to take one of the 3...so I will not. I will take a Rx that was intended for animals...Sounds like me back when I was using.
Its to help horse's joints? Ahh, give me some anyway, I wanna start the game this Saturday!
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Actually, it has been used to treat parasitic intestinal worms for both humans and animals for over 30 years. 3 or 4 Billion (yes Billion) doses used. Minor side effects mostly in those with worms (due to the dead worms breaking down in the body?). All the hubbub over veterinary version is not because it is not proven in humans. It is because the veterinary versions are not produced for human consumption. i.e. you should not take veterinary penicillin for that reason. Probably would not hurt you at all but not produced to the same standards as human meds. Only reason the vet thing came up was because people who wanted it early could not get their docs to prescribe it for CV. AMA and CDC, and NIH would not clear it for that use. Docs afraid they would be cancelled. Since it is oral, I doubt the vet version would have any side effects for humans. Safe dosing is accomplished by weight of patient, horse, or human. It is what you have been giving your dogs for worms for the last 30-40 years. Has been approved for humans since 1988. For intestinal parasites, scabies, head lice etc. Its antiviral effects have been noted in recent years but not with approvals as yet. The Japanese doctor who developed it won a Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2015 for worldwide success for treating the diseases it was made for. Those diseases killed a lot of folks and animals before Ivermectin.
Note: My wife and I took doses of it when we could not get vaccinated, both because of our ages and medical conditions made us targets for a bad result from CV.
My wife reported a mild headache the night after, but I had zero side effects. I felt that its use fit with the Hippocratic Oath "First do no harm" as it is a proven safe drug. The two doses we each took lasted several weeks and we would have repeated that monthly if we had not gotten vaccinated. My doctor prescribed it after the NIH gave it approval for "off schedule" use. If either of us gets the Delta CV before we get our "Booster", we will take it again. Currently, most of the proper studies have not shown it to be much help in patients already hospitalized with serious disease. But!!! as a prophylactic given to people at high risk, it has shown a dramatic reduction in CV in those people. The studies are still underway so there is more to come. Sorry for being long winded, but I thought this info was of some value.
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That ivermectin link is to an FLCCC Alliance site pushing ivermectin. It would be better to see something from a source less out in the fringe. This shows how easy it is to make something look better than it is on the world wide web.
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Hi Hank, The FLCCC group is made up of respectable doctors who actually treat Infectious Diseases and have been in the trenches with CV since it started. As a group, they have published over a thousands of research studies on other subjects.While they seemed to be over zealous in their support of ivermectin, it is because the first large study turned out to be falsely presented. It was removed by it's authors and pulled off the web recently. The large number of smaller and peer reviewed studies are coming in and show that the drug is not very helpful in patients hospitalized with serious disease. However, those studies in which it was used as a prophylactic for both volunteers and hospital workers, have shown it to be a dramatic reducer of new CV cases in those taking it. More big studies are on the way, and it appears that prophylaxis is the big thing for ivermectin. See my note above:
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I don't know much about it, but if like Bentley said it is to help horses joints I would take a few doses if it would help my knees.
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To my knowledge, Okie is the only doctor I know on this site, so I am going to trust his judgement.
However, I find Bentley's thoughts interesting as I was having the same thought.
The government medical agencies that approve drugs for specific uses are in place for a reason same as unions are in place for certain reasons. People working in those agencies have been there for 20-30 years and have been through multiple presidencies under multiple parties. I don't think they let the political party influence their ultimate decisions. Why wouldn't you trust their work?
I couldn't walk around living my life it I felt that there were these huge conspiracy theories that people are spouting all over the place on both side of the political spectrum. Living with all of that anger surely can't be good for your body let alone your mind.
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I don't know much about it, but if like Bentley said it is to help horses joints I would take a few doses if it would help my knees.
Ditto on my knees and shoulders.
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Its to help horse's joints? Ahh, give me some anyway, I wanna start the game this Saturday!
Ah, yes, DMSO. It was in a lot of the locker rooms of my youth.
It's a by-product of paper making and was often sold as a paint remover—then repurposed.
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Paul has referenced what I was referring to. I should have been more clear what I was referring to. DMSO, boy howdy. I jumped over a fence on a Monday when I was playing football for Fresno City Collège. I landed on a 4 x 4 and destroyed both my ankles, had to crawl back to the house. Worse sprain's I had ever known, and by far the most pain I had ever experienced in my life. They started rubbing DMSO on them Tuesday, by Thursday I was back on the filed and Saturday played!
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Its to help horse's joints? Ahh, give me some anyway, I wanna start the game this Saturday!
Ah, yes, DMSO. It was in a lot of the locker rooms of my youth.
It's a by-product of paper making and was often sold as a paint remover—then repurposed.
Wow. I haven't heard about DMSO since the 70's or 80's. That sure died out fairly quickly. Both of my knees will be replaced in the next in the next six month. I have been getting along on good old fashion cortisone shots every three month to keep on walking and working around the house. The shots only go so far so I decided to get my knees replaced.
I had a chuckle on ivermectin a few months back. We found out our dog could have issues with it. My daughter really likes Embark Vet's DNA test. She uses it for breed reveal parties with her shelter dogs. She sent me a kit for my collie several months back and they determined he was a collie. Go figure. They also found he carries a gene that could make him have an adverse reaction to ivermectin.
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My FIL used DMSO for years. He had to have a knee replaced in the 70s after a bull he tried to ride came down it after he got bucked off. It is now called MSM I think. You can get MSM/Glucosamine tablets for joint pain. I have taken them for years.
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That ivermectin link is to an FLCCC Alliance site pushing ivermectin. It would be better to see something from a source less out in the fringe. This shows how easy it is to make something look better than it is on the world wide web.
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Does a group that compiles information from studies, done by others, about one potential therapeutic, make those studies and that information less valid? They have sites for Budesonide, HCQ, Remdesivir etc too. I am not sure I understand how pulling all the studies into one site negates the the findings of the study. Because of the statistics coming out of the UK, and Israel, I am all for trying "fringe" to help, the traditional is getting whooped by Delta. Consensus in science creates tunnel vision and doubling down on failure.
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After doing more research and absorbing data over the last 4 months I decided it was the correct move.
(https://i.imgur.com/bTu2jIeh.jpg)
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Glad to hear it Bentley. I think you made a good choice. :clap:
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Good deal Bentley. More and more people are giving in and getting the shots. Arkansas is one of the worse states right now, but more are getting the shots. The small local Bella Vista Fire Department is giving them just about weekly at different locations. My brother got his J&J shot at the local Allen's Market by the BVFD.
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Not sure it is a matter of "giving in". I wanted to see if the shot was effective in doing what it was intend for. For me, that had to happen over time. I found for the most part it was, and that is why I took it. I was not an anti-vaxer, nor was I compelled to be the 1st in line!
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I would have gladly been first in line. Heck, I would have been one of the test victims! ;D
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I do not know if congrats is the word, but I believe based on the current data, it was a sound decision....soooo :clap:
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It seems like you felt it was the right decision for you, and I guess that is all that matters since there were no laws that required that you got the vaccine.
Based on your card, you are 10 years and 3 days older than me. Always nice to find another Libra in this universe!
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Same exact thoughts. I was however STRONGLY encouraged a few times from my Cardiologist.
Very close on every date as well.
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My FIL used DMSO for years. It is now called MSM I think.
Hmmm, maybe.
DMSO is dimethyl sulfoxide. MSM is methyl sulfonylmethane, so they look similar but different to me.
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My FIL used DMSO for years. It is now called MSM I think.
Hmmm, maybe.
DMSO is dimethyl sulfoxide. MSM is methyl sulfonylmethane, so they look similar but different to me.
Thanks Paul. I wondered what the difference is. And after thinking about it, my FIL must've gotten hurt in the 50s or early 60s because he would have been too old to be riding bulls in the 70s. That's a young mans thing to do.
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Not sure it is a matter of "giving in". I wanted to see if the shot was effective in doing what it was intend for. For me, that had to happen over time. I found for the most part it was, and that is why I took it. I was not an anti-vaxer, nor was I compelled to be the 1st in line!
I am glad you finally convinced yourself that this was the way to go. My family and my brother's family got the vaccine as early as possible. However, our concerns were not so much with the effectiveness but with unknown rare side effects.
No medical procedure is without risk. I know this better than most folks. In my 30's, I had a burst appendix. Prior to surgery the anesthesiologist had me sign a form acknowledging that in a few cases people have had bad reactions to anesthesia but these cases are very very rare. My parents had multiple surgeries and never had a problem so I felt it was ok. The anesthesiologist gave me a shot of succinylcholine and I was knocked out. About 15 minutes later I woke up on the operating table just as the surgeon was closing me. The surgeon later told me that anesthesiologist wanted to stop the surgery but he felt the appendix needed to come out or the end result would not have been good. My anesthesiologist told me that I have a genetic condition called malignant hyperthermia. He was retiring in a month and it was the first time he had seen it. As it turns out, I went to one of the few hospitals in the SF Bay Area that had dantrolene needed to counteract the effects of anesthesia in the surgery crash cart. I felt very lucky.
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After doing more research and absorbing data over the last 4 months I decided it was the correct move.
(https://i.imgur.com/bTu2jIeh.jpg)
we've been little more than internet acquaintances for over a decade. But this made me very happy.
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Not sure it is a matter of "giving in". I wanted to see if the shot was effective in doing what it was intend for. For me, that had to happen over time. I found for the most part it was, and that is why I took it. I was not an anti-vaxer, nor was I compelled to be the 1st in line!
I am glad you finally convinced yourself that this was the way to go. My family and my brother's family got the vaccine as early as possible. However, our concerns were not so much with the effectiveness but with unknown rare side effects.
No medical procedure is without risk. I know this better than most folks. In my 30's, I had a burst appendix. Prior to surgery the anesthesiologist had me sign a form acknowledging that in a few cases people have had bad reactions to anesthesia but these cases are very very rare. My parents had multiple surgeries and never had a problem so I felt it was ok. The anesthesiologist gave me a shot of succinylcholine and I was knocked out. About 15 minutes later I woke up on the operating table just as the surgeon was closing me. The surgeon later told me that anesthesiologist wanted to stop the surgery but he felt the appendix needed to come out or the end result would not have been good. My anesthesiologist told me that I have a genetic condition called malignant hyperthermia. He was retiring in a month and it was the first time he had seen it. As it turns out, I went to one of the few hospitals in the SF Bay Area that had dantrolene needed to counteract the effects of anesthesia in the surgery crash cart. I felt very lucky.
You sound like you got lucky on two counts, 15 minutes sounds quick. My appendix ruptured on my 42 birthday...or at least that was when I went in. I was in surgery for an hour and a half to remove the appendix and clean me out. 4 days later I was released from the hospital, the nurse told me they expected to keep me for 2 weeks. Apparently, you should not let things go that long, sepsis is serious.
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You guys may want to consider removing the images of your cards. Apparently, it is not recommended to have them posted publicly as there are folks out there who take the information and create counterfeit cards.
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You guys may want to consider removing the images of your cards. Apparently, it is not recommended to have them posted publicly as there are folks out there who take the information and create counterfeit cards.
I understand what you are saying Lew, but I think that boat left the dock six months ago. I bet fake cards are circulating, and have been circulating, all over the world for months.
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Trust me when I say they are out there, they are very easy to find and you would have a lot better image then here!
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You guys may want to consider removing the images of your cards. Apparently, it is not recommended to have them posted publicly as there are folks out there who take the information and create counterfeit cards.
I truly appreciate your concern, having said that though, it appears it won’t be long (best I can tell) until you put your proof (vac card) into a scanner and then enter your payment method.
Fake cards are indeed readily available and will be more lucrative than a fake i.d. back in the good ole days.
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Not sure it is a matter of "giving in". I wanted to see if the shot was effective in doing what it was intend for. For me, that had to happen over time. I found for the most part it was, and that is why I took it. I was not an anti-vaxer, nor was I compelled to be the 1st in line!
I am glad you finally convinced yourself that this was the way to go. My family and my brother's family got the vaccine as early as possible. However, our concerns were not so much with the effectiveness but with unknown rare side effects.
No medical procedure is without risk. I know this better than most folks. In my 30's, I had a burst appendix. Prior to surgery the anesthesiologist had me sign a form acknowledging that in a few cases people have had bad reactions to anesthesia but these cases are very very rare. My parents had multiple surgeries and never had a problem so I felt it was ok. The anesthesiologist gave me a shot of succinylcholine and I was knocked out. About 15 minutes later I woke up on the operating table just as the surgeon was closing me. The surgeon later told me that anesthesiologist wanted to stop the surgery but he felt the appendix needed to come out or the end result would not have been good. My anesthesiologist told me that I have a genetic condition called malignant hyperthermia. He was retiring in a month and it was the first time he had seen it. As it turns out, I went to one of the few hospitals in the SF Bay Area that had dantrolene needed to counteract the effects of anesthesia in the surgery crash cart. I felt very lucky.
You sound like you got lucky on two counts, 15 minutes sounds quick. My appendix ruptured on my 42 birthday...or at least that was when I went in. I was in surgery for an hour and a half to remove the appendix and clean me out. 4 days later I was released from the hospital, the nurse told me they expected to keep me for 2 weeks. Apparently, you should not let things go that long, sepsis is serious.
My surgeon told me the same thing. He didn't have time to clean me out. He gave me strong antibiotics and had me wrapped in a refrigerated rubber blanket at 50F in the ICU for five days. I also had a drain tube hanging out of my gut. The surgeon said he believed the malignant hyperthermia episode was over shortly after surgery and my existing fever was due to infection. Apparently, I hit 106F during surgery and was at 103F upon entering the ICU. He kept me in the regular part of the hospital for another five days until he was sure the infection was knocked out. I felt like a Smithsonian exhibit while in the ICU. The hospital put a bookcase at the foot of my bed with books with bookmarks describing my condition. They cycled medical students through to view my case.
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Not sure it is a matter of "giving in". I wanted to see if the shot was effective in doing what it was intend for. For me, that had to happen over time. I found for the most part it was, and that is why I took it. I was not an anti-vaxer, nor was I compelled to be the 1st in line!
I am glad you finally convinced yourself that this was the way to go. My family and my brother's family got the vaccine as early as possible. However, our concerns were not so much with the effectiveness but with unknown rare side effects.
No medical procedure is without risk. I know this better than most folks. In my 30's, I had a burst appendix. Prior to surgery the anesthesiologist had me sign a form acknowledging that in a few cases people have had bad reactions to anesthesia but these cases are very very rare. My parents had multiple surgeries and never had a problem so I felt it was ok. The anesthesiologist gave me a shot of succinylcholine and I was knocked out. About 15 minutes later I woke up on the operating table just as the surgeon was closing me. The surgeon later told me that anesthesiologist wanted to stop the surgery but he felt the appendix needed to come out or the end result would not have been good. My anesthesiologist told me that I have a genetic condition called malignant hyperthermia. He was retiring in a month and it was the first time he had seen it. As it turns out, I went to one of the few hospitals in the SF Bay Area that had dantrolene needed to counteract the effects of anesthesia in the surgery crash cart. I felt very lucky.
You sound like you got lucky on two counts, 15 minutes sounds quick. My appendix ruptured on my 42 birthday...or at least that was when I went in. I was in surgery for an hour and a half to remove the appendix and clean me out. 4 days later I was released from the hospital, the nurse told me they expected to keep me for 2 weeks. Apparently, you should not let things go that long, sepsis is serious.
My surgeon told me the same thing. He didn't have time to clean me out. He gave me strong antibiotics and had me wrapped in a refrigerated rubber blanket at 50F in the ICU for five days. I also had a drain tube hanging out of my gut. The surgeon said he believed the malignant hyperthermia episode was over shortly after surgery and my existing fever was due to infection. Apparently, I hit 106F during surgery and was at 103F upon entering the ICU. He kept me in the regular part of the hospital for another five days until he was sure the infection was knocked out. I felt like a Smithsonian exhibit while in the ICU. The hospital put a bookcase at the foot of my bed with books with bookmarks describing my condition. They cycled medical students through to view my case.
None of that sounds like fun and rather cold. I forgot about the drain tube. They pulled mine out right before releasing me. What an ugly feeling when that was pulled, wide awake, it was like a hot knife moving on the inside and exiting my lower stomach. I am just glad I had a turbo immune response and released early. 4 days was a small fortune!
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I ran across this recent large CDC study on the effectiveness of being vaccinated that did not get much fanfare in the media:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm?s_cid=mm7037e1_w#T1_down
This report contains empirical data versus best educated guesses by doctors. It covers April 4 - June 19 and June 20 - July 17 2021 in 13 different healthcare regions. The June 20 - July 17 covers the time when the delta variant became the most prevalent strain. The tables at the end of the report breaks down the data by age groups.
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I got my booster- 3rd shot today. I'll get my 4th when it's available. Everbody is just a big baby. I'd rather die trying to live then wait and die not trying.
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Making an appointment for our boost shots tomorrow (if I remember).
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I got my booster- 3rd shot today. I'll get my 4th when it's available. Everbody is just a big baby. I'd rather die trying to live then wait and die not trying.
I agree with you. I got my booster shot on the 14th. (Pfizer) And when they tell me I should get one again I will be ready for it.
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I am where near a medical professional. But it really puzzles me that there is a vaccine for something and then with in 6 months, Hey come get your booster shots, to me that tells me it isn't as effective as what they want me to believe.
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I am where near a medical professional. But it really puzzles me that there is a vaccine for something and then with in 6 months, Hey come get your booster shots, to me that tells me it isn't as effective as what they want me to believe.
I am not sure I understand your comment. I think it was pretty clear from the start that boosters would be needed if we were unable to eradicate the virus through herd immunity.
We may have to get yearly vaccinations. This is revolutionary technology. The first gas powered airplane flight lasted 12 seconds and travelled 120 feet. We can hope that as this technology is further refined that longer lasting vaccines can be developed.
This is subject to constraints of the immune system and properties of the evolving virus.
In the meantime, I am more than happy with my vast statically reduced chance of hospitalization and death. I got my booster on Saturday.
It seems like there are people that don't want to see the vaccine work. That is something I don't understand.
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I am where near a medical professional. But it really puzzles me that there is a vaccine for something and then with in 6 months, Hey come get your booster shots, to me that tells me it isn't as effective as what they want me to believe.
Judge, I rest my case.
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I think 2 will be enough for me! Or at least until I am forced by society/government to take another!
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I am where near a medical professional. But it really puzzles me that there is a vaccine for something and then with in 6 months, Hey come get your booster shots, to me that tells me it isn't as effective as what they want me to believe.
Judge, I rest my case.
You realize that resting your case just means you have run out of arguments to make.
Quod erat demonstrandum
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yup
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My wife and I both got the J&J shot back in April. With the booster approvals being in the news will we be notified about getting it or do we just sign up to get it? I am 70 and she is 65 so we fit the criteria for getting the booster. Also is the booster the same as the original shot?
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My wife and I both got the J&J shot back in April. With the booster approvals being in the news will we be notified about getting it or do we just sign up to get it? I am 70 and she is 65 so we fit the criteria for getting the booster. Also is the booster the same as the original shot?
I got my vaccinations from our county health department. Did not get a notification for the booster but they put it on their Facebook when it was available. They ran a number of clinics and I just walked in when it was close to me. A lot of pharmacies are giving them also. Just need to find one that has the vaccine that you want. I believe the J&J booster is the same as the first shot.
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My wife and I both got the J&J shot back in April. With the booster approvals being in the news will we be notified about getting it or do we just sign up to get it? I am 70 and she is 65 so we fit the criteria for getting the booster. Also is the booster the same as the original shot?
You should be able to just go to Walmart with your vax cards and get the booster. Govt has approved mix and match vaccines.
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I am where near a medical professional. But it really puzzles me that there is a vaccine for something and then with in 6 months, Hey come get your booster shots, to me that tells me it isn't as effective as what they want me to believe.
I am not sure I understand your comment. I think it was pretty clear from the start that boosters would be needed if we were unable to eradicate the virus through herd immunity.
We may have to get yearly vaccinations. This is revolutionary technology. The first gas powered airplane flight lasted 12 seconds and travelled 120 feet. We can hope that as this technology is further refined that longer lasting vaccines can be developed.
This is subject to constraints of the immune system and properties of the evolving virus.
In the meantime, I am more than happy with my vast statically reduced chance of hospitalization and death. I got my booster on Saturday.
It seems like there are people that don't want to see the vaccine work. That is something I don't understand.
Vaccines and airplanes are no where near the same categories to me. I had vaccines when I was young, the ones I needed for school back around 1971. I apparently didn't want them then as I remember Woman telling the story of how her and the nurses chased me around the room until they pinned me under the Dr.'s desk. Woman told them this was as good a place as any. But I do not remember having to go back for booster shots. Many compare it with the flu shot, but they are not the same flu changes year to year it is usually billed as a Shot not a Vaccine so it makes sense that yearly shots are needed even if they are out dated by the time you get them. A vaccine to me is something I get that means I will be safe from getting whatever disease, but in the case of covid that isn't the way it is. Get vaccinated and you still need to take the same precautions you had to do before they put the needles in and you can still get the illness. Well if I can still get it what did the shot do for me? Yes even my Dr. says it will help make the illness less in severe, but you can still get it.
I spoke with him about it at my last appointment he thinks it is good but also said it is the people's choice. He told me that he had read all 3 of the case studies cover to cover and he felt that they were accurate and that is what made him choose to get his and recommend them. His feeling is that the way the virus works and mutates the vaccine should work for the mutations as the changes in it are small, when compared to the changes in the flu from year to year.
I am not one that wants it to fail, and I really don't think that there are people out there that want that. I do think there are people that are unsure of it and are up in the air on whether they will or will not get one. Then there are people that say they will never get one. No matter what I think that it being forced upon people by the government and some employers is absolutely wrong. Cases are still going up in areas, and it is blamed on the non vaccinated, but even the vaccinated can spread and get it it so it seems false to lay blame at the feet of either category of people. I am not sure how herd immunity can happen if it is not allowed to happen.
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We got boosters in the administration of our childhood vaccinations. That is how booster became part of our lexicon. They used to line us up at school and administer our booster shots. Nobody really cared for booster days.
I am not sure which childhood vaccines require boosters today. There are still some adult vaccinations that require boosters. I just got my second pneumonia vaccine. I will need a booster in 5 years.
Tetanus also requires booster, though every 10 years.
As far as folks that want the vaccine to fail, remember that attendees at CPAC cheered when it was announced that the Biden vaccination goal was missed. You can do your own search on that. It was big news at the time.
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We become eligible for boosters, here in the UK, 6 months after our second vaccine shot.
Mine was in May, so about a month still to go for me.
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I have been fully vaccinated with Pfizer since mid March. I plan on getting my booster next week while I am off from work.
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Wife and I got boosted yesterday. Could have gotten it at our nearby Safeway pharmacy. Chose instead to drive a ways to get the jab in a drive-through. Got all three shots that way, no room full of people you don't know, just roll down the windows in the car.
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I am where near a medical professional. But it really puzzles me that there is a vaccine for something and then with in 6 months, Hey come get your booster shots, to me that tells me it isn't as effective as what they want me to believe.
Judge, I rest my case.
You realize that resting your case just means you have run out of arguments to make.
Quod erat demonstrandum
"Quod erat demonstrandum"
I love how you end your post with what is essentially I rest my case...lol
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I am where near a medical professional. But it really puzzles me that there is a vaccine for something and then with in 6 months, Hey come get your booster shots, to me that tells me it isn't as effective as what they want me to believe.
Judge, I rest my case.
You realize that resting your case just means you have run out of arguments to make.
Quod erat demonstrandum
"Quod erat demonstrandum"
I love how you end your post with what is essentially I rest my case...lol
Nice catch.
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Yes, but as every attorney will tell you, resting your case is only the first step. Then the jury -- or judge if a bench trial -- decides the issue. And then it goes up on numerous appeals. :pig:
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There is a big difference between the meaning of Quod erat demonstrandum, aka QED, and resting one's case.
QED means "what was to be shown". It is used to demonstrate the successful conclusion of a mathematical proof.
Resting a case is not a successful conclusion of proof. As Kristin points out, it is only a step on the process.
Even a guilty verdict is not a proof of fact since the standard of proof, in the case of law, is beyond a reasonable doubt.
You would not conclude a jury verdict with QED. A jury verdict is not mathematically rigorous.
That said, my use of the term was to suggest that perhaps QED was the intent of the poster, rather than resting of case.
Resting of case though was more appropriate since nothing was actually proven.
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The last time I heard of QED was in my 10th grade Geometry class which was about almost 40 years ago
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Got my booster today :cool:
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Got my booster today :cool:
which booster did you receive and please let us know if you have any side affects
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We got our Pfizer booster about 2 weeks ago.
No side effects except the usual sore arm.
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I read today that Pfizer has a pill that fights/cures severe covid-19 89% of the time. It is now being reviewed by CDC/FDA
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Got my booster today :cool:
which booster did you receive and please let us know if you have any side affects
I got the Pfizer booster, so far so good.
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Well, I thought I had those super genes, but Covid got me. Had light chills very early Weds morning, woke up at 2 and got on and off sleep till 8. Got up, went about business as usual, a little sore, but had just poured concrete, so not unusual. Started to run fever that afternoon, very slight at 1st, got up to 102°, but even that was off and on only about 12 hours. I do not get sick or run fevers, so figured I better report to my NP for direction. They set up a video call for Thurs morning and a swab that afternoon. Wed to Thurs sleep was not normal, a general malaise is about the only way to describe it. My patella's hurt, can you imagine that?
So I wake up this morning and things are going back to normal, the cough was the worst thing, one of those choughs where it makes your ribs sore. Other then just a little lingering of the cough, I feel normal. NP calls and tells me I was positive for Covid. Oh well, it is what it is. An unpleasant 36 hours, but I have had worse. 8 more days of quarantine. I was able to go out and finish the last of the concrete this morning, so all in all, I guess I am OK.
I figured I would share this. I realize that every person is an individual, and that effects would be different for everyone. But since I think the Medical Profession would think I am the Poster Child for Covid death, wanted folks to know how it effected me.
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I hope you are back to normal very soon.
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I fell like I am 85% now. The reason I shared it, I guess I hope it might let others know who might be concerned how it might effect them. I realize that every person is an individual, and how it might effect each individual would be different for everyone. But most of you know me, you know the shape I am in and I made it, with very little discomfort!
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Glad that you were able to beat it. An Unvaccinated acquaintance in the NW came down sick the other day and died yesterday from Covid. Take care of yourself.
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I read an article today on folks who have been fully vaccinated and then get a break through case like Bent and they are saying they now have "super-immunity" -- anywhere from 1000% to 2000% more antigens/antibodies/anti-whatever the medical term is-- than a person who is just vaccinated. So guess that is the upside!
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I read an article today on folks who have been fully vaccinated and then get a break through case like Bent and they are saying they now have "super-immunity" -- anywhere from 1000% to 2000% more antigens/antibodies/anti-whatever the medical term is-- than a person who is just vaccinated. So guess that is the upside!
Glad he is getting back to normal quickly, hope it didn't get you also.
reading your post makes one thing they should ask all of the vaccinated if they want to be given some of the disease to make them better yet.
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My wife is still recovering from getting her booster shot over 5 weeks ago. The day after the shot she passed out and hit her head on the floor. We figured she had a concussion so I watched her for that. But she kept having bad dizzy spells that I had to walk with her most days. About a week ago she went to her doctor and he diagnosed her as having directional vertigo caused by the blow to the floor. This jarred something loose in her ear.
Several times all I could do was hold on to her while her world spun around her. She could not bend over at all without having a spell. She is feeling better now, but she will never take another shot again. She got very sick after the J&J and the Pfizer booster. Her doctor agrees with her.
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I didn't think you were supposed to mix the vaccines.
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Pfizer booster here. Sore arm for 4 days, that's it. So far so good. (three weeks ago today)
I too read the super-immunity pieces. I'd bet we'll all be in the same boat of breakthrough infection and immunity by Spring. It just seems inevitable at this point and we'll declare an epidemic vs pandemic and move on with life with assumed risk.
DK
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I didn't think you were supposed to mix the vaccines.
My first two were Moderna, my booster was Pfizer. The pharmacist said it was ok to mix and match those two.
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I fell like I am 85% now. The reason I shared it, I guess I hope it might let others know who might be concerned how it might effect them. I realize that every person is an individual, and how it might effect each individual would be different for everyone. But most of you know me, you know the shape I am in and I made it, with very little discomfort!
Hope that it it is over.
Do you now wish that you should have gotten the shot?
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See reply #332 in this thread for the answer to that. I would be more curious as to what would have happened had I not. But that is something I will never know.
Hope that it it is over.
Do you now wish that you should have gotten the shot?
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I didn't think you were supposed to mix the vaccines.
My first two were Moderna, my booster was Pfizer. The pharmacist said it was ok to mix and match those two.
Same here. My wife got Moderna for all three and our daughter got Pfizer for all three.
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Guess I am the one of the outlier's who has no intention of getting one.
Sorry I missed the reply #332. I remembered from early on you wasn't getting one.
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IMO each individual has the right to make their own decision. For some it did not come back to bite them in their posterior for other that is not the case. Our daughter just told us of good whose husband take the vaccine caught Covid and died leaving a wife and very daughter. she also called us last night. She works in hospitals, hospices and prisons and strongly recommended that my wife and I wear the masks as a precaution when we go into stores etc. She said all of the hospitals in her area ICUs are filled with new cases. A similar situation is happening in our area and was confirmed by a friend who a PA.
I realize that again it is ones right IMO to make their own choices however much to my chagrin the threat is real>
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IMO each individual has the right to make their own decision. For some it did not come back to bite them in their posterior for other that is not the case. Our daughter just told us of good whose husband take the vaccine caught Covid and died leaving a wife and very daughter. she also called us last night. She works in hospitals, hospices and prisons and strongly recommended that my wife and I wear the masks as a precaution when we go into stores etc. She said all of the hospitals in her area ICUs are filled with new cases. A similar situation is happening in our area and was confirmed by a friend who a PA.
I realize that again it is ones right IMO to make their own choices however much to my chagrin the threat is real>
Below is a news article I found. I'll take my chances getting vaccines any time...
We still wear mask when we go out. Some places require it.
Dine-in is still not available in some places.
"Do people die from COVID after getting the COVID-19 vaccine?
New data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggests 99.999% of people who were fully vaccinated against COVID-19 did not have a severe breakthrough case that led to hospitalization or death, CNN reports.
• Per the CDC, more than 166 million people have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.
• The new data suggests 1,507 people (about 0.0001%) of those fully vaccinated people died from COVID-19.
• Meanwhile, 7,101 people of those fully vaccinated people (about 0.005%) were hospitalized from COVID-19.
Who is getting breakthrough COVID cases?
According to the CDC, most of the severe breakthrough cases — about 74% — had been among seniors who were 65 years or older, CNN reports.
• About 20% of the people who died from COVID-19 after a breakthrough case died from something other than COVID-19, though they had a breakthrough case when they died, according to CNN.
How recent are CDC’s COVID death numbers?
The newest numbers are accurate as of Aug. 2, just when the delta variant of the novel coronavirus began to spread in the United States, according to CNN."
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Tough to know your chances when the data lags so far behind.
My first priority which may be different from others is that I want to visit my parents and I don't want to be the person that infected them and they passed away. I am 52 and probably below the average age of those who post on here.
My second priority is my health. I fight many of the challenges that this virus works against. I am not ready to pass onto the afterlife yet.
Thus, I have had my two Moderna shots and the booster. Up until the pandemic I only took shots for the most extreme things that are recommended. I never took a flu shot until this year.
To some degree, the choice is each of ours and I hope it remains that way. I have decided it was in the best interest of me being able to see my parents and for them not having to bury me from covid death for which I have taken the vaccines and the booster. I am not sure how it will turn out but after we buried my brother who was 58 years old for other reasons a few months ago I am confident I made the right decision for my family,
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My wife is still recovering from getting her booster shot over 5 weeks ago. The day after the shot she passed out and hit her head on the floor. We figured she had a concussion so I watched her for that. But she kept having bad dizzy spells that I had to walk with her most days. About a week ago she went to her doctor and he diagnosed her as having directional vertigo caused by the blow to the floor. This jarred something loose in her ear.
Several times all I could do was hold on to her while her world spun around her. She could not bend over at all without having a spell. She is feeling better now, but she will never take another shot again. She got very sick after the J&J and the Pfizer booster. Her doctor agrees with her.
That sounds terrible. I worked with a guy that got vertigo sickness once randomly, they did not know why, but it took a couple months for him to pull out of it. He was bed ridden for a while and missed a lot of work. A family member is a nurse practitioner and will not take the jab. She got guillain-barre syndrome from her last flu shot a couple years ago, and will no longer take shots. She had to quit her job due to a mandate. The whole one size shoe fits all is out of control. I hope your wife's continuing recovery goes well.
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dare I risk resurrecting this thread? Forgive me, I'm bored out of my mind in isolation. 47 male, no health issues, fully boosted. I left the house four times last week. Dr appointment, funeral, wake, grocery shopping (masked for three, wake was outside). Had a sore throat 2 days later, didn't think much of it. Home tested this past Saturday (immune compromised SIL and grandmother visit coming up) and was positive. Nothing political, nothing statistically relevant, just a sample size of one: My experience is a mild cold, not even close to as bad as the flu. I work for a big company, my wife is a teacher. So we're basically on lock down and ordering multiple home test kits. Lots of paperwork. I could easily be working and am not.
I suppose the good news is that three shots and my experience would call this an epidemic.
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Hope you recover quickly, mild is a good thing to have I guess.
Curious as to your thoughts on how you came about getting it? You are completely vaxxed, and wore a mask did all the things you are supposed to do and still caught it.
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Hope you recover quickly, mild is a good thing to have I guess.
Curious as to your thoughts on how you came about getting it? You are completely vaxxed, and wore a mask did all the things you are supposed to do and still caught it.
In December I went to a Denver Broncos game unmasked with 70K of my closest friends. But last weekend at the funeral was 200+ people ... while masked ... indoors for about 2 hours. If I had to guess, that was it. Even that is only a guess, my kids could have brought it home from school and been asymptomatic. Either way, with 800K Americans testing positive per day, vaxxed or not, I'm hardly an outlier at this point. That's why even prior to my positive test, I've said that we're well into epidemic vs pandemic territory.
Finally, I have a superpower now! I theoretically have super immunity .
DK
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My niece who is a first grade teacher found out she and 7 of her team has covid. We want be visiting them or my brother and SIL for a while. She has a bad case of the sniffles. Her husband will not got to work for a while either.
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Hope you recover quickly, mild is a good thing to have I guess.
Curious as to your thoughts on how you came about getting it? You are completely vaxxed, and wore a mask did all the things you are supposed to do and still caught it.
In December I went to a Denver Broncos game unmasked with 70K of my closest friends. But last weekend at the funeral was 200+ people ... while masked ... indoors for about 2 hours. If I had to guess, that was it. Even that is only a guess, my kids could have brought it home from school and been asymptomatic. Either way, with 800K Americans testing positive per day, vaxxed or not, I'm hardly an outlier at this point. That's why even prior to my positive test, I've said that we're well into epidemic vs pandemic territory.
Finally, I have a superpower now! I theoretically have super immunity .
DK
I could think of better superpowers to have but this one could be just as life saving for you and the family I guess.
The schools around me have mostly gone back to online stuff. I have known a few that have had it for some it was just an irritation to them other were sick for a few weeks.
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My daughter and her husband and two boys(highschool) all have had the Omicron Covid for the past week. I would say the boys were like a simple cold with mild bronchitis and were on the mend in about 5 days. Daughter and husband (in their early 50's) were sicker, longer and the cough and congestion were worse. But neither had temp, or reduction in O2 Saturation. Over all myalgia was worse with some headache. I would advise everyone to buy a pulse Oxygen finger tester and a good thermometer. Ask your doctor when you should report either temp or O2 saturation to them.
Just as an aside: Some countries are allowing the use of Viagra for patients with pulmonary symptoms and low O2 saturation levels (below 90%), since one of the effects of Viagra is significant increase in pulmonary blood flow (thus oxygenation flow rate). Hmmn.
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My daughter and her husband and two boys(highschool) all have had the Omicron Covid for the past week. I would say the boys were like a simple cold with mild bronchitis and were on the mend in about 5 days. Daughter and husband (in their early 50's) were sicker, longer and the cough and congestion were worse. But neither had temp, or reduction in O2 Saturation. Over all myalgia was worse with some headache. I would advise everyone to buy a pulse Oxygen finger tester and a good thermometer. Ask your doctor when you should report either temp or O2 saturation to them.
Just as an aside: Some countries are allowing the use of Viagra for patients with pulmonary symptoms and low O2 saturation levels (below 90%), since one of the effects of Viagra is significant increase in pulmonary blood flow (thus oxygenation flow rate). Hmmn.
That is good information, I have one of those pulse things from when I had heart issues. I will have to find it and put it with the thermometer.