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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Non food Related => Topic started by: Trooper on March 14, 2020, 10:07:25 PM
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I still haven't recovered from the cancellation of the BIG 10 tournament and then the next day - Cancellation of MARCH MADNESS.
That's what life in March is around here without basketball. MADNESS.
And I don't think I'm gonna recover.
Not doubt about it. The BIG Ten Tournament was scheduled for play in Indianapolis - and I'dve gone to any of those SPARTAN games in a heartbeat.
We've turned the corner. Normal life will absolutely NOT return.
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I feel your pain.
I live in Spokane Washington. We were supposed to host the first 2 rounds and 2 local teams were projected to play here, Gonzaga and Eastern Washington University.
Had tickets and the time off of work. Now nothing.
Oh well, if it helps stop the spread then I think it is worth it.
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Step daughter and mother-in-law are supposed to fly thru Amsterdam tonight on their way back from a Tanzinia African safari trip. No telling what their adventure home will be like.
My life revolves around watching sports on TV. I don't really watch anything else except the occasional food show here or there. Struggling for things to do.
I am supposed to go to Tennessee on Thursday for a week and a half vacation. Most museums I wanted to visit are now closed. The good news is I was driving. I am leaning toward still going as we planned to visit old neighbors of ours who live outside of Knoxville. There are still a lot of things on my planned trip to do list that are outdoors - statues, murals, historic markers, etc. I think it will be a last minute decision on whether I go or stay home and remain bored. I do have some pellet grills that need maintenance so this may force me to get outside and take care of that.
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Watch House Hunter International on HGTV. I know you all will think it is just a peachy substitute!!!
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No NASCAR either.
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Had a video chat with them this morning before they headed to the airport in Africa. Sounds like they had a wonderful trip so far. We let them know how crazy the rest of the world has been since they have been in the safari the last week plus. If all goes well, they will be landing in the USA in about 24+ hours.
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I still haven't recovered from the cancellation of the BIG 10 tournament and then the next day - Cancellation of MARCH MADNESS.
That's what life in March is around here without basketball. MADNESS.
And I don't think I'm gonna recover.
Not doubt about it. The BIG Ten Tournament was scheduled for play in Indianapolis - and I'dve gone to any of those SPARTAN games in a heartbeat.
We've turned the corner. Normal life will absolutely NOT return.
It is a crazy time that we are living in, MADNESS is probably the right word for it. Even Izzo is going stir crazy. I thought this was an interesting read from the Detroit Free Press.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/shawn-windsor/2020/03/15/michigan-state-basketball-tom-izzo-coronavirus/5052205002/
I seem to have a lot more free time than anticipated this time of year, thanks to the viral threat. Plenty to do, but given the gas prices, it might be time for a road trip.
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OK folks. Let's do some writing. Nothing else to do.
I'm constantly wiping down my keyboard as I type.
Is the world coming to an end?
We've pretty much shut everything down, cause everybody is sick(?).
Is anybody on this forum sick and has been diagnosed with the new virus?
I guess I should go out and start hoarding some supplies, but I don't think there are any left.
When will the daily deaths from this virus surpass the amount of babies that we butcher in this country every day?
We did "church" yesterday - -"on line podcast". How's that for compliance.
With all of the people that have been previously diagnosed, have any of them gotten better? Or are they all still sick?
Got my favorite news network on right now and they continue to cover this MADNESS 24/7, as they have for the past couple of weeks!
I see they (Governor Whitmer) just closed all restaurants (interior seating) in our state. Well that takes care of my daughter and her family. They own/operate two restaurants, but neither have drive through pick-up windows.
As of right now I have a very limited knowledge of anyone who is sick. I keep calling friends and associates to see if there is anybody that I can help out, but no luck so far.
If you are sick and have been diagnosed with this virus, please get on this topic and make yourself known. I want to know how things are going.
I'm sure this writing may completely infuriate a few, but I wait for you comments.
Time to wipe down the keyboard again, then go out & get in line at TacoBell.
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Oh yes, and I have more.
Have we now established a criteria (precedence) as how we're going to handle things from here on out?
As the next virus starts surfacing, will we need to do the same this to stop its deadly flow?
As a Swine Flu survivor, I'm just curious.
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LOL...I am sure I do not take this anyway serious enough. I have wanted to pose a few questions. If I go to my Dr and they say I have the Virus, what happens? Seriously, do they take me to the hospital, do I go to the CDC, am I taken to Cleveland or do I just go home?
I just got an email sayin we will still be having my AA meeting tonight, but no coffee will be made and don't bring any snacks. OK, I was gonna take some bread pudding, but I can leave it at home. No issue for me...Don't drink much coffee after 9am anyway!
I believe in being proactive, I believe in taking measures to reduce the risk as much as I can...But do not believe, even if I catch this Virus that my life will be much different other then I will have to stay away from people. I guess faith in God can make you reckless, or a renegade or a scofflaw!
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I too wonder about all of the preventive measures that are being taken, but at my age and given the viruses severity in geezers, I think that in order to delay the inevitable as long as possible, I'll limit my social exposure for a while.
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I think unless you have severe symptoms, the doctor may even tell you not to come in to see them. They may say take advil, cough medicine, etc, and stay home for 14 days. If you start to have trouble breathing come in and see us immediately.
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And given your parameters, what you say makes perfect sense and is very prudent. Other segments of society need to shake themselves and and educate themselves!
I too wonder about all of the preventive measures that are being taken, but at my age and given the viruses severity in geezers, I think that in order to delay the inevitable as long as possible, I'll limit my social exposure for a while.
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The worst part of this for me, is that if this isolation trend continues into the summer, it will be the first time that I can remember that I won't be spending my summer cruising the waters of the Pacific NW. :'(
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Trooper, sorry about your daughter and her business. Anyway she can convert to a drive-up, pick-up situation where folks don't even have to get out of their cars?
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Just something to share and feel free to share with others because we need to calm down as a nation.
From Dr. Paul Offit: (First a little background on Dr. Offit from Wikipedia):
Paul Allan Offit (born 27 March 1951) is an American pediatrician specializing in infectious diseases, vaccines, immunology, and virology. He is the co-inventor of a rotavirus vaccine. Offit is the Maurice R. Hilleman Professor of Vaccinology, Professor of Pediatrics at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, Former Chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases (1992-2014), and the Director of the Vaccine Education Center at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. He has been a member of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Offit is a Board Member of Every Child By Two and a Founding Board Member of the Autism Science Foundation (ASF).
Offit has published more than 130 papers in medical and scientific journals in the areas of rotavirus-specific immune responses and vaccine safety, and is the author or co-author of books on vaccines, vaccination, and antibiotics. He is one of the most public faces of the scientific consensus that vaccines have no association with autism.
Remarks by Dr. Offit:
Which will do more harm, the virus or the fear of the virus?
Why are we so scared of the novel coronavirus, COVID-19? People are usually scared of viruses for three reasons:
One: the virus causes gruesome, disfiguring, permanent symptoms. Smallpox, for example, not only caused life-long facial scarring, it also was a frequent cause of blindness in those who survived.
Two: the virus has a predilection for children. Polio paralyzed tens of thousands of young children every year until a vaccine finally eliminated the disease from the United States.
Three: the virus is likely to kill you. Rabies kills virtually 100 percent of people who develop symptoms after a bite from a rabid animal.
The novel coronavirus currently circulating in the United States—the one that has caused us to shut down schools, restaurants, sporting events, and virtually every aspect of our culture—falls into none of these categories. Nonetheless, people are scared. Really scared. The reason is they think that if they catch COVID-19, they have a high likelihood of dying from the disease. Most public health officials have done little to lessen this fear, arguing that people are ten times more likely to die from this novel coronavirus than from influenza. Unfortunately, these officials haven’t made clear the difference between relative risk and absolute risk. Although people are more likely to die from COVID-19 than from influenza, they are far more likely to catch influenza. Therefore, they are far more likely to die from influenza.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as of March 7, 2020, 36 million to 51 million people have suffered from influenza, 370,000 to 670,000 have been hospitalized, and 22,000 to 55,000 have died from the disease. To put these numbers in perspective, let’s look at countries that have dealt with COVID-19.
China, where COVID-19 originated, has reported roughly 3,000 deaths. The population of China is about 1.4 billion, three times greater than ours. If we suffer an equivalent proportion of deaths, then 1,000 Americans will die from COVID-19, one-twentieth to one-fiftieth of the number who have died from influenza.
Italy has reported roughly 2,000 deaths from COVID-19 and, as a result, has shut down the country; only grocery stores and pharmacies remain open. Italy has a population of 60 million, about one-fifth of the U.S. population. If we suffer an equivalent proportion of deaths, then 10,000 Americans will die of COVID-19, about one-half to one-fifth of the number of deaths from influenza.
Not everyone, however, is at equal risk of dying. The virus primarily kills the elderly and those suffering from chronic diseases, which explains the situation in Italy, where 25 percent of its population is more than 65 years of age; in the U.S. it’s 16 percent. Wouldn’t it make more sense, then, to ask people who are elderly and infirm to stay away from crowds, thus lessening their chances of contracting the disease. Also, to ask people who are sick with respiratory symptoms to stay home. Focus on common sense things like washing hands several times a day and standing clear of people who are coughing or sneezing. The federal government can also help by making it easier for businesses to allow people who are ill to stay home.
In 2009-2010, the world suffered an influenza pandemic caused by swine flu; about 203,000 people were killed by the virus; 12,000 in the United States. The novel coronavirus has killed about 6,000 people to date; 62 in the United States. It doesn’t make sense to shut down our entire way of life to try and stop a virus that is unlikely to harm healthy people and will be far less devastating than the influenza epidemics that we experience every winter and the influenza pandemic we experienced ten years ago. Let’s take common sense measures to stop the spread. The precautionary principle dictates caution to prevent harm. But the precautionary principle also dictates that you don’t cause harm in the name of preventing harm. It will take years to recover from the draconian measures that we are currently instituting.
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Here is the madness from my viewpoint: I am 84 and a retired physician, (internist), I have some bronchial scarring from lobar pneumonia in the distant past, which allows me to collect a little more mucous now and then. I just had a malignant melanoma removed from my arm with a distant lymph node taken from under my arm. Fortunately there was no evidence of spread (never guaranteed with melanoma). Had a major heart bypass in 2015, and doing well from that. Have moderately reduced kidney function as well. Now I have revealed all that because for me, this virus could easily be deadly. And if not, deadly I may wish I were dead trying to recover.
My wife is 83, has had a long history of atrial fib/flutter for 15 years in spite of a strong heart otherwise. She just had so many episodes and failed ablations, that in early Feb, she had surgery to give her complete heart block (permanent) and a pacemaker to keep her heart at a good rate. She should be good to go now for 6-7 or more years before she needs to replace the battery. Also, any respiratory virus always results in weeks of around the clock coughing, no sleep, and frequent bronchitis. She, too, is likely not to do well with this virus.
So for us, when they say most people will recover, and the very young may often be asymptomatic, and that only the elderly and compromised are at risk--I say to myself "what do you mean 'only'" It's like they are saying, its no big thing otherwise. WELL IT IS FOR THOSE OF US AT THE MOST RISK. Therefore, I do not think it is overkill to be extra careful around others or to stay at home if you don't need to be out. Our old friend Woodrow Wilson did not know what a virus was in 1917 and put our soldiers on ships to join WWI in spite of advice from the experts not to do so. Thousands of them died before reaching Europe and many more died after. Well we know better now. So pay attention. Overcaution is much better than under caution. Now try to tell my grandchildren (out of school early) that they should not come to visit for a while. They don't know what all the anxiety is about. That is what we are up against. :2cents:
PS: I generally agree with Dr. Offit. But this virus is entirely different from Influenza from the standpoint of transmissibility. Influenza victims are estimated to on average infect 19 others, while the coronavirus victims infect as many as 45. Not sure how these numbers were calculated, but bottom line; Coronavirus is significantly more easily transmitted. Even from asymptomatic victims. There will be much higher number of cases than we will ever document, and while that means the fatality rate is probably lower than measured, the number of deaths will still be significant. As they say in medicine: The mortality rate may be low, but if it happens to you, that is 100% for you. Don't panic, but follow the CDC's advise.
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I too am at risk Dr. okie smokie. I have cancer and may need further treatments soon.
As my neighbor was lamenting about things, I said sarcastically, "I might just as well go home, get in bed and die".
And we could tell our brothers out on patrol and the First Responders "STAY HOME" You'll be at risk out there!. & the great Drs. as well.
Fortunately, It ain't gonna happen. They'll be out there on the front lines.
& finally, I feel that I don't want to let my medical issues get in the way of my enjoying life.
Oh yes, great comments by Paul Offit.
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Well said Trooper. I have had a long and productive life, so leaving this orb is not my fear at all. But the prospect of how I will leave it with CV is not appealing. In the meantime, I will continue to fix the plumbing, replace the filters, help shop for food, and grill/smoke the good meats. What more could you ask for?
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What more could we ask for?
A few more people you Dr. Okie (and your attitude!)
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Good luck shopping for food, the wife went out this morning to buy some vegetables and none were to be had, fresh or frozen. It's a good thing that I'm carnivorous, both freezers are loaded with smoked meat. :cool:
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I guess I just think that if everyone stays home and self-quarantines for 2 to 3 weeks (which is now being floated by the CDC, a "national mandatory quarantine of 2 weeks): there is no food on grocery shelves, there are no warehouses with food in them, no food production lines for meats, cheese, other staples; there are no doctors or nurses working, there are no pharmacies working, no military out there, no police, fire and rescue. Workers in low paying jobs at WalMart and fast food don't get paychecks because they aren't working, don't feed their families. What does Trooper's daughter and her employees do for income for the duration and how do their families live?
Sorry, but this is how food riots and complete civil breakdown happen. Not everyone lives in a nice comfortable world where they have food in the freezer and a retirement income coming in. People in certain age brackets and with certain health issues need to do what they feel comfortable doing to protect themselves, but I don't think it is prudent to ask the world to stop -- it just can't without some significant risks and damage to society. I know it sounds harsh, but if the grankids need to stay away for a month, that is the sacrifice one makes for one's health. But to shut down society is basically inviting financial collapse and chaos. https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-lining-buy-guns-because-153245983.html
People just need to act prudently, but still exist and carry on. I may be killed in a car accident tomorrow. That would be a 100% fail for me, but I don't stop driving. I just drive carefully. There was a front line news story yesterday -- "Globally 5,000 have died from COVID-19". That would be from the start about Dec. 1, 2019. Gee, globally 153,000 die every day -- yes, that's right, every day. So COVI-19 is responsible for about 50 deaths per day and the other 153,000 die from something else. And guess what, the world did not stop when those 153,000 per day were dying. We need to get a grip as a society or we can do ourselves in with panic and fear.
And I went to the grocery store today -- breads, milk, cheese, meats, fresh fruits and veggies, lots of stuff on shelves (not TP or hand sanitizers)
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Bentley, at least you an have meetings. Here, no more than 10 people can gather. Plus the churches and schools are closed. I am concerned for some of our brothers and sisters! Opening up my house if need be.
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Part of me wonders(not trying to be a conspiracy theorist) if all these cancellations are a means to reduce/eliminate liability of entities holding gatherings more so than just for the "common good". If someone's uncle went to an NBA game, caught the virus there, and died, could the league and the team be sued?
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I haven't studied the legal issues, but as a retired attorney, I can guarantee attorneys all over the place are advising clients to shut things down so they won't be sued. Not always the best thing for society.
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Short lived, the Church that 3 of my meetings are held at decided last night that there will be no more meetings till further notice. So...Tonight, there is a meeting at the Ruritan Club, so I will go there tonight and probably find that it is closed too! If that happens it is off to the ABC...!
I am just kidding. We are not a glum lot! I do feel for the Newcommer right now. Need to figure out how to stay in contact with them!
Bentley, at least you an have meetings. Here, no more than 10 people can gather. Plus the churches and schools are closed. I am concerned for some of our brothers and sisters! Opening up my house if need be.
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A number of people here are setting up conference calls and using sype (sp) to meet. Speaker tapes: https://www.xa-speakers.org/pafiledb.php?action=category&id=1
Interesting times.
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This was the most unbelievable things I have read in a while.
From a Yahoo news story on a poll of American conduct and perceptions about COVID-19:
"Seventy-nine percent of respondents said drastic headlines about how society is changing is the No. 1 reason they are fearful. Seventy-eight percent said they are primarily scared because of the deluge of news about people fighting over products at the grocery store; 75% pointed to the constant stream of reactions to the outbreak on social media.
“It’s the kerosene on the fire of the news cycle. Every hour, some news event is coming out — that’s creating a lot of fear and anxiety among Americans. We’ve never had a crisis in America with the sophistication of social media in this participative way, amplifying fear. Social media can also amplify good news when it comes, but there doesn’t seem to be good news yet,†said John Gerzema, CEO of The Harris Poll."
The reason I find it unbelievable is that Yahoo, which is reporting this, is also one of the biggest offenders with a constant stream of screaming headlines which are often inacurrate or sensationalized. And then they make a story out of their own conduct! I hope people just start getting sick of this whole media hype, calm down, and realize this is not the zombie apocalypse. Our politicians also need to calm down and quit stoking the fires or we are going to destroy our whole economy.
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Kristin, I agree that the buying frenzy is perpetuated by the media over reaction. However in this environment, an individual family is forced to participate to some degree for survival.
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Kristin, I agree that the buying frenzy is perpetuated by the media over reaction. However in this environment, an individual family is forced to participate to some degree for survival.
I am more irritated at the media. They are just so into grabbing headlines that they don't care that they are creating fear. I read an article yesterday which interviewed several major food processing plants, producers, grocery chains, etc. They claim there is plenty of food in distribution centers and in the production pipeline, but they can't get it out fast enough because of the stock piling mentality -- which to me is being driven by the media. Total lack of responsible journalism at every level.
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All I know is William Randolph Hearst would be very please with the media...
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Well after 3 trips I finally scored on a purchase of TP. No fighting here, but apparently people fear that eventually there will be layoffs in the industries that supply everyday products.--esp. those that have to do with hygiene.
But I agree with Kristin about the press. They have been disgusting in their behavior for some time. They do not report the news. Instead they try to manipulate the news to serve their mostly political agenda.
Good news tho, one of our old antimalarial drugs, chloroquine and hydrochloroquine appear to be effective in reducing severity, or even curing of the CV. The task force has permission as of today to pursue the efficacy of this claim, and physicians will be able to prescribe and use it for this since it is already a legal rx with a long hx of safety. Caution: those with renal impairment will have to uses doses based on their renal function. Also a possibility for it to be used as prophylaxis as it is in malaria. Several other anti viral drugs are in the process of evaluation as well. Not sure where chloroquine and hydrochloroquine are made--that plus available quantity and hoarding etc will need to be addressed. I am optimistic. ???
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You certainly know what you are talking about Dr. Okie.
I will address responsibility.
To me, everyone has the responsibility for protecting themselves. One can't rely on others for protecting them from this sickness. Step up to the plate. Due your duty.
Do what you need to do to keep yourselves safe.
In all issues.
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Because of the constant banging from the news media, I decided yesterday to take a Corona Free Day. I purposely did not watch ANY news, or read ANY news the entire day yesterday. The only Corona related conversation and information exchange I endured for the entire day was during work conference calls and conversation about Corona and it's effect on my company, and a few mentions on this site. I work for an airline, so yep, it is wrecking havoc on us now. I can also certainly feel the pain for all the millions of small business owners out there who are feeling so much from this. The Corona Free day did help the mental state a bit, getting away from the constant barrage. Thinking I might make it a weekly event going forward. Weds will be my Corona Free Day.
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Because of the constant banging from the news media, I decided yesterday to take a Corona Free Day. I purposely did not watch ANY news, or read ANY news the entire day yesterday. The only Corona related conversation and information exchange I endured for the entire day was during work conference calls and conversation about Corona and it's effect on my company, and a few mentions on this site. I work for an airline, so yep, it is wrecking havoc on us now. I can also certainly feel the pain for all the millions of small business owners out there who are feeling so much from this. The Corona Free day did help the mental state a bit, getting away from the constant barrage. Thinking I might make it a weekly event going forward. Weds will be my Corona Free Day.
Not a bad idea, since the news is mostly repetitive. Maybe Wed. should be the day to drink Corona, and not listen to it?
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Because of the constant banging from the news media, I decided yesterday to take a Corona Free Day. I purposely did not watch ANY news, or read ANY news the entire day yesterday. The only Corona related conversation and information exchange I endured for the entire day was during work conference calls and conversation about Corona and it's effect on my company, and a few mentions on this site. I work for an airline, so yep, it is wrecking havoc on us now. I can also certainly feel the pain for all the millions of small business owners out there who are feeling so much from this. The Corona Free day did help the mental state a bit, getting away from the constant barrage. Thinking I might make it a weekly event going forward. Weds will be my Corona Free Day.
I may get bashed for this, but I am in support of the government supporting your industry. If the airline business goes down the drain, this country is in big trouble economically and probably socially IMO. I hope something gets figured out to keep you, your company, and the airline industry alive like it was 3-5 weeks ago.
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I felt maybe we had turned the corner on the COVID-19 constant news when one of yahoos top stories was the "continuing feud" between Princes William and Harry. Nothing like some good ole Royal drama in the press to make you feel like everything is ok!!! :pig:
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Went to Sam's Club this morning for their 9am opening and the line was wrapped around the building. Looked like Black Friday. Picked up a few items my parents wanted.
I'm hearing rumors from several different sources from different parts of the country that this weekend there will be an announcement of a two week stay in home shutdown of the entire country after they have the national guard in place. If its for the best for our country and society in general then I am on board (and prepared).
Should have lots of cooks posted on this board for a few weeks.
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Went to Sam's Club this morning for their 9am opening and the line was wrapped around the building. Looked like Black Friday. Picked up a few items my parents wanted.
I'm hearing rumors from several different sources from different parts of the country that this weekend there will be an announcement of a two week stay in home shutdown of the entire country after they have the national guard in place. If its for the best for our country and society in general then I am on board (and prepared).
Should have lots of cooks posted on this board for a few weeks.
I don't know how credible but I have heard the same thing from 2 different people. One of them told me (again not sure how credible) that the steps have been introduced incrementally (schools closing, airports, restaurants, city & state buildings etc.) deliberately to gauge reactions and that is why they are starting with the larger cities.
We also are on board but....oh man hopefully the masses will not go plum goofy.
I am by no means a conspiracy theorist but this could very well be where we are headed.
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It's not and I don't think it will happen!
If its for the best for our country and society in general then I am on board (and prepared).
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So we all stay home for 2 weeks -- then what happens? During that period they spread magic fairy dust and the virus disappears? We all come out after two weeks, the virus is still active someplace and starts again. Meanwhile, our economy is in shables, perhaps in a depression, people are starting to freak out and maybe not have food, perhaps civil unrest and riots break out and for what? If there is disease and sickness and some die, that is the cost of living in a global society and we need to start wrapping our head around this.
So far, in a nearly 4 month period, 10,000 people have died globally from COVID-19. Every day 153,000 people die globally -- every day. In 2009, 60.8 million in the US got sick from swine flu, 274,000 were hospitalized and there were 12,469 deaths. We did not call in the National Guard or shut down the country. In recent memory, we have had flu deaths reach 61,000 in one year in the US. People need to take precautions, but panic is not needed and we are suffering from the fact that most of our pols don'y have the brains or common sense of a goose.
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So we all stay home for 2 weeks -- then what happens? During that period they spread magic fairy dust and the virus disappears? We all come out after two weeks, the virus is still active someplace and starts again. Meanwhile, our economy is in shables, perhaps in a depression, people are starting to freak out and maybe not have food, perhaps civil unrest and riots break out and for what? If there is disease and sickness and some die, that is the cost of living in a global society and we need to start wrapping our head around this.
I don't want to be misunderstood, When I said "we are also on board" what I meant was this, if that is what happens then it happens. There isn't anything us Citizens can say or do to change it.
I did not mean it to be construed as us thinking it was a good idea, I also think it is a horrible idea, the devastation it has already caused is unbelievably sad and even without this (if it does occur) I fear is going to be much worse.
This can not be over soon enough and no matter when it settles down the aftermath is going to be felt for a long time.
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Well actually if it happens I think citizens can write their representatives and tell them they think it is a rotten idea and ask "What happens after the two weeks?"
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Well actually if it happens I think citizens can write their representatives and tell them they think it is a rotten idea and ask "What happens after the two weeks?"
Good question. If there is no decline in the acceleration curve, then do we continue? If there is a plateau beginning, then do we continue? I don't see any immediate relief if either one happens. I do know that if the economy is deeply wounded, and people cannot support their isolation, then odds are that we will have both a deep depression and major escalation of the pandemic. A little serious prayer would not hurt. :(
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I apologize for buying into & further spreading the hype. I was only repeating what I had heard and now realize and should have then how dumb it was. Exactly NOT what is needed now. Sorry and trust me I learned a valuable lesson. Stay safe everyone.
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I love living in a world with smart, ingenious folks. They will find the path through for us!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8136299/Doctors-turns-one-ventilator-nine-genius-DIY-mechanics.html
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I manage a supermarket, I can tell you that I am more concerned about the possibility of riots than I am about the virus.
We keep hearing that there is plenty of food and needed supplies in the supply chain. Don't panic buy, don't stock up, etc. The problem is that all of this food is still in route, not at the stores.
We have received 4 deliveries in the past 6 days with a total of 13 cases of toilet paper on them. The paper is out there, they just can't get it to us.
Same goes for the food. We have been able to get dairy and meat because most of that is produced locally so the producers are selling to brokers in our region. The items that are transported further distances have more obstacles to overcome to get here.
I jokingly envision a Mad Max scenario where people are hijacking loads of Charmin instead of fuel.
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Just curious, how long would 13 cases of TP normally last in your store?
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Every time my wife goes to Sam's she asks if I need anything and I tell her beer and toilet paper because I don't want to run out of either one. I happened to make the last trip there about a week before the panic started. We had enough toilet paper to last two and maybe three weeks with the three girls here, but I figured while I'm there I'll get some. It's not like it'll spoil. I got in trouble as I expected I would, but now they're glad I got it on a whim. We're going through it faster than expected since all three of them are home from school all day, although my wife has to go to the school she works at occasionally.
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Just curious, how long would 13 cases of TP normally last in your store?
Well, assuming a case of 4 pack rolls that is 624 units.
I would say normally people buy 1-2 packages at a time (my store has a high percentage of people on foot).
I would guess 13 cases would last close to 4 or 5 days, assuming regular price (no ads).
Of the 4 deliveries I mentioned we received no TP on 2 of them, 5 on one and 8 on the other - they were sold out within 30 minutes each time.
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Does the World really believe that there are roughly 250,000 cases of this? There are probably 6 million in the US alone. That is how silly the panic is, and how futile it is to try and contain it with such asinine measures!
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The time to contain it was in early January when the intelligence community first alerted Trump of the problem. Another option would have been to listen to Bill Gates in 2015 when he warned of the potential problem and appealed for better preparedness against global viruses
( https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/We-Are-Not-Ready-for-the-Next-Epidemic ). :2cents:
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The time to contain it was in early January when the intelligence community first alerted Trump of the problem.
Yeah. Another load of Fake News headed our way! Just what we need!
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Yep, I agree, its all fake news, we should all just go about our business as normal and ignore all of the asinine measures .
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The time to contain it was in early January when the intelligence community first alerted Trump of the problem.
Yeah. Another load of Fake News headed our way! Just what we need!
Right on. Since this site is not appropriate, I will not print what I am thinking. But hope to see some response from the editor.
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I think the phrase...Question authority...applies now.
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I guess I think there is a middle ground and we, as a country, are unable to find or follow that right now and that is going to cost us greatly. Example: from a news story today---
"Fauci was asked about one of Trump’s tweets on Saturday morning, in which the president said that two available drugs “taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.â€
“I’m not totally sure what the president was referring to,†Fauci said, after Trump had left the podium and his aides continued briefing reporters. But he said he believed Trump was referring to a single, anecdotal study that showed that a combination of the drugs hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial, and azithromycin, an antibiotic, were effective in combating coronavirus infection.
“There are those who lean to the point of giving hope and saying, ‘Give that person the option of having access to that drug,’ †Fauci said. “And then you have the other group, which is my job as a scientist, to say my job is to ultimately prove without a doubt that a drug is not only safe, but that it actually works.â€
Do I think the President has a clue about these drugs and how they work? No. But I also think Dr. Fauci's approach is a very academic, ivory tower, let me study this and tell you all about it 3 years from now which is not helpful. His business is to be a very conservative, academic scientist, not a problem solver. Yet he is put in charge and allowed to be the mouthpiece which is also not helpful.
So who do I like to try and read about and hear from -- the medical folks in the trenches. The doctors who are having to treat patients and are using these drugs to combat things and maybe having success. The guys using the malaria medicines with success -- it might be anecdotal, but it seems to be saving some lives so why not try it if the treating doctor thinks it is worthwhile. I think they should also be allowed to use the Japanese drug favipiravin, which the Chinese found reduced the time of illness from 11 days to 4 -- but I haven't heard a peep by Dr. Fauci about that because it has not gone thru the 3 year process of study. They want us to act as if this is a war, but then they act as if this is an afternoon tea. Governor Cuomo gets on TV and wails about how he is so afraid they will run out of ventilators when there is a doctor in Canada who has shown how you can rig one ventilator to service 9 people. He is solving a problem, not hyping fear.
I guess I don't have a lot of confidence in how anything is being handled right now. The pols are all pretty stupid and run around wringing their hands and don't want headlines that say they let thousands of people die -- but they can't seem to figure out that their actions are also dooming the country to economic collapse and seeing people be out of work and lots of folks never able to recover. And maybe even worse. I lived through the LA riots, it does not take much to set off angry, desperate people. And there is a story every day about how guns and ammo are selling like hotcakes. The "scientists" want to treat this as their day in the sun to really be able to show their knowledge and control folks like a petri dish. But we are a living society and their dynamics don't work. And the news media is just looking for the most sensational headline it can find and doesn't care if they forment fear and panic -- gotta gets those clicks!
I guess I sound cold and brutal, but at times like these I think Spock had it right: "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few -- or the one." And I fall into the age and health category of the "few" (i.e higher risk) with respect to COVID-19. So I take precautions as advised, but I would not have society shut down to protect me or the 1.4% who could die because there are millions and millions who need to live and have a future worth living for -- not one filled with fear and hardship.
I think about what life might be like if all those GI's has said "I'm not going" to whatever war was threatening our way of life. Some died, some were injured, some came out traumatised -- but society benefited by their sacrifice and courage. I am not seeing a lot of courage in Americans right now. But I am willing to be a soldier and sacrifice if I am called to do that for the folks younger than me because I have had a good, properous life and I want that for them also and not years of shambles and fear and wondering how they will feed and shelter their kids and provide a decent life for them. So I wish we would all just move forward with sense and precautions, but also with courage and selflessness.
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A big +1 on Kristin's statement. Too much hysteria, not enough common sense.
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I think Dr. Fauci finally agreed that he could accept seeing private doctors using the already legal drugs like chloroquine on patients and providing data and results to CDC. He would not be willing to recommend (officially) these drugs until adequate parameters were satisfied BUT since they are legal drugs available to the medical profession, they could be used. I can tell you that there are already many patients receiving these meds across the US. If used in safe dosages they are relatively safe drugs, and I am sure that obtaining permission from the patients or their families is being done. I agree that the President probably does not know much about the science, BUT like he said. "What the xxxx do you have to lose." Chloroquine was discovered in 1934 and has been used since the 1940's with a very low risk profile. And I will tell you something else--he is a very intelligent man (contrary to the opinions of his detractors) and questions everything in much detail. I am told he listens carefully and learns quickly from his advisors. And I have already asked my physician to use the drug for me and my wife if we contract the disease, (even if mild). The famous specialist in southern France, Dr. Raoult did a peer reviewed double blind study which was remarkable. See below:
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-researcher-in-Marseille-posts-successful-Covid-19-coronavirus-drug-trial-results
Please note the comment also of the testing of the drug for prophylaxis. I am very optimistic.
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+2 with Kristin.
Calm down and take a few deep breaths.
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My county just got placed on stay at home order starting at 8pm tonight thru April 6.
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Can't believe it is only a month since you posted this Troop -- feels like a year.
Saw this article this morning. Question authority!!!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/group-furious-michiganders-planning-descend-174709880.html