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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2020, 09:23:08 AM »

I said yes but my wife would say no, which means we won't be going anywhere.  She's panicking about everything going on like she does with everything.  She gets nervous when we have a thunderstorm and is really worried about this.  And yet she works in a petri dish of pre-K, kindergarten and first grade children.  She should have antibodies that haven't been discovered yet.
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2020, 09:27:04 AM »

I reluctantly voted no. I am more than ready and I think if things open up slowly we will be OK. I am willing to start taking steps, but I think we need to take a closer look as to how we can safely get things going again.

I know one of the debates on opening up churches is singing. Singing can be a major way of spreading the virus. Hymnals, offerings, the sacraments, can also be high risk activities that you never think about (or at least I have not till now). I think we need some better guidelines before just opening up.

That being said, there are a lot of things I think we can safely do. There are some measures that have been put in place that defy logic (as Kristin pointed out) and things we can do with a reasonable risk. I just wish we could take the politics out of it and start doing things in a more rational way. If this was not an election year I think the whole pandemic would have been handled in a much different way. If common sense is common, why is it so uncommon?

Here is an article that discusses the problems involved with singing in churches: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/covid-19/churches-could-be-deadliest-places-covid-19-pandemic
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2020, 10:06:00 AM »

It's funny that I had been running free (while keeping my distance) in Menards and anyplace else that was open for over a month, and now I have to wear a mask.  ::)

I figure God will take me when He's ready, virus or no virus.  ;)
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2020, 12:20:29 PM »

I voted yes, but even though the question was yes or no, my answer is not black and white. My resumption of "normal" activity is inversely proportional to the existing severity of the virus and directly proportional to the availability of a proven vaccine.  :2cents:
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2020, 01:11:50 PM »

I am not even close to being ready. My state is not yet opening and I am glad.

We have to recognize that we have never been successful in developing a vaccine for any previous corona virus.

Getting this virus under control is going to be a long term commitment that requires a societal response and behavior changes.

The biggest risk now are the "nobody is going to tell me what I have to do" people. Folks that won't wear a mask and/or refuse to social distance.

Things are going to have to change, and how much, and for how long, depends on folk's ability to adapt and change behaviors.

The WWII generation, often referred to as the greatest generation, had to withstand bombings, shortages, food stamps, and more. They adapted and persevered.

Our generation is having difficulty with not being able to go to the beach or get a haircut to help stop the spread of a deadly virus. We'll have to see what we are remembered for.

We need to figure out how to retool our economy for the next few years. How we work, educate, shop, dine and gather will likely change, either now, or after the next wave hits and folks realize we have no choice.

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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2020, 02:12:56 PM »


The WWII generation, often referred to as the greatest generation, had to withstand bombings, shortages, food stamps, and more. They adapted and persevered.


You need to study up on your history a bit better.  The WWII generation which beat the enemy and preserved freedom and liberty neither "adapted nor persereved", they resisted, fought, sacrificed.  It was the Chamberlains and the Vichy French who sought to "adapt" -- and things didn't turn out too well for them.

To me, your attitude is somehwat defeatist -- "never been successful" in developing a certain vaccine so just adapt?  That is not the Amerca I know.  No colony had ever successfully defeated the British Empire at the height of its power until Americans did.  No one had defeated polio until Salk. No one successfully landed men on the moon and returned them to earth until America did.  We have always believed that what we put our minds to accomplish and do, we can do -- and we then go out and do it. Appollo 13 is a perfect example of that spirit. They didn't tell those men to adapt to the fact they would probably die, they said "This will be our finest hour" and it was.  Attitude, not adapting, is everything.
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2020, 02:22:06 PM »

My answer is YES, even though I worked through the entire "TIME OUT" they imposed on us.   I still feel most of this is not what the claim NOT to say this virus isn't bad just really looking at facts or best I can find that are not B.S from CNN, NBC and so forth.   

Now I hear they are claiming deaths to get feds money because if not they would  miss out.      I'm so tired of the so called press now a days that feel they have to be THE STORY instead of just giving facts.  I can't watch news anymore even FOX can be "poop" at times.

He!! this is America not some 3rd would state that has to be controld, and don't get me started with the house or senat about what's wrong and how to fix it they can't balance their own check books.......   

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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2020, 02:32:12 PM »

I voted no on this simply because I would be in the second wave of people to venture out.  I will observe the first wave from the safety of my home.  If they don't cause a spike in cases, then I will venture out.
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2020, 02:39:46 PM »

Bentley,

Title is "If allowed in your State, County, City...Would you go back to church, restaurants, bowling, hair saloon...pick your activity."

I am just bustin' your chops a little on this one but if my state allowed a hair saloon (not salon) to open, I'd be all over that... :pig:
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2020, 03:00:20 PM »


The WWII generation, often referred to as the greatest generation, had to withstand bombings, shortages, food stamps, and more. They adapted and persevered.


You need to study up on your history a bit better.  The WWII generation which beat the enemy and preserved freedom and liberty neither "adapted nor persereved", they resisted, fought, sacrificed.  It was the Chamberlains and the Vichy French who sought to "adapt" -- and things didn't turn out too well for them.

To me, your attitude is somehwat defeatist -- "never been successful" in developing a certain vaccine so just adapt?  That is not the Amerca I know.  No colony had ever successfully defeated the British Empire at the height of its power until Americans did.  No one had defeated polio until Salk. No one successfully landed men on the moon and returned them to earth until America did.  We have always believed that what we put our minds to accomplish and do, we can do -- and we then go out and do it. Appollo 13 is a perfect example of that spirit. They didn't tell those men to adapt to the fact they would probably die, they said "This will be our finest hour" and it was.  Attitude, not adapting, is everything.

The people of London adapted and persevered. In the US we adapted and persevered. The comment regarding the vaccine is addressing the issue that there is no guarantee that there will be a vaccine, in 6 months, 12 months, 18 months, so we cannot count on it. This is not defeatist, it is scientific reality. Our risk plans have to be realistic. Each risk has a probability. It is a high probability that we will not have a vaccine in the near future so we have to plan for that possibility. We certainly hope that we can develop one in time. We don't want this to follow the HIV trajectory (no vaccine) because it is much more difficult to contain. Tell me that the folks that are protesting or going to the beach without masks or distancing are helping? The grit that it takes to beat a virus is not the same grit it takes to beat an enemy. The grit that is required is the ability to adapt so we can defeat. You don't beat it by standing your ground. Unfortunately, if we are not all pulling together the situation just gets worse. I don't see people practicing an Apollo 13 spirit when they complain about not being able to go to the beach and do not follow social distancing guidelines when they are finally able to get there. I don't see creative and novel ideas coming from this crowd. I see folks that want to pretend that things are like they used to be; to be able to go about their life like nothing is wrong. This is not a problem that someone is going to fix for us. We are a critical part of the solution and we need to have the guts and perseverance to do what it takes.
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2020, 03:23:38 PM »

I voted yes.  I'm a work from home person full time 19 years and counting.  My family however is suffering and not from finances or health, but mental health.

So who is going to lead?  It really is tempting to let the scientists lead, but let's be honest, our models and data are still incomplete.  Have we flattened the curve?  I just don't know, we do however have hospital capacity in my area.   Should the economists lead?  Eventually there will be a price tag to human life, and I'm ok with that because if we want to admit it or not, there already is one with economic suffering.  I've heard little acknowledgement of that from the scientific community, the economic and mental hardships this is bringing to not just the USA but the world.  So then we turn to the politicians who are all playing their games for their own benefit.

I'll just stop there because I don't want to say anything I'll come to regret.  Though I did vote yes and would like to cautiously open up and see how this plays out over the next few years.  There will be death and suffering no matter what we do.   I do think we need to seriously consider the solution being worse than the problem. 
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2020, 04:06:02 PM »

I am just curious and don't mean this in an aggressive manner -- why do you think the CDC will know?

Anyone who says "Safe to mingle" or "Not safe to mingle" is making an educated guess based on their knowledge and experience.  The CDC certainly has more of both than me in this field.  My opinion wouldn't be any more authoritative than flipping a coin or casting chicken bones in the dust.

So, I'll defer to them.
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2020, 07:39:57 PM »

Mother's day with son and family will be our first try. Because of our age, we are not real cozy with it, but my the kids are all well at the moment.  We shall see.  I may chicken out.
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2020, 08:40:10 PM »

I am just curious and don't mean this in an aggressive manner -- why do you think the CDC will know?

Anyone who says "Safe to mingle" or "Not safe to mingle" is making an educated guess based on their knowledge and experience.  The CDC certainly has more of both than me in this field.  My opinion wouldn't be any more authoritative than flipping a coin or casting chicken bones in the dust.

So, I'll defer to them.

I don't know the answer to this but perhaps you do. Is the CDC going to tell each state when it is "safe to mingle"?
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Re: Are you ready?
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2020, 08:48:20 PM »

"The people of London adapted and persevered. In the US we adapted and persevered." -- there is a difference between adapting and enduring. One is passive conformance to events, the other is to experience without giving in.  A big mental difference in how one approaches the world.  Probably explains the difference between the Greatest Generation and the current generation you bemoan. 
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