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All Things Considered => General Discussion--Non food Related => Topic started by: Bar-B-Lew on October 15, 2020, 03:22:09 PM
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This story doesn't address college sports, but it seems that I may not be alone in my thoughts on sports being played right now. There are several reasons given other than the one's I mentioned earlier, but it is an interesting trend.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-live-sports-tv-ratings-are-down-for-all-the-big-leagues-185237865.html
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My team won the NBA Championship and I did not watch one of their playoff games. My BB team is playing for the NL pennant and I have not watched one of their games. I have seen one game of the Rams.
So: Why are viewers tuning out sports?
First of all, it’s not athlete politics.
Keep trying to convivence the public Yahoo that whatever you say is gospel, I am hear to tell you it is not!
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My team won the NBA Championship and I did not watch one of their playoff games. My BB team is playing for the NL pennant and I have not watched one of their games. I have seen one game of the Rams.
So: Why are viewers tuning out sports?
First of all, it’s not athlete politics.
Keep trying to convivence the public Yahoo that whatever you say is gospel, I am hear to tell you it is not!
I think the leagues and players are trying to convince themselves of reasons why their profits and salaries are soon to be on the decline for several years coming. I get that they are exceptional athletes, but I think their compensation has got a bit out of line with the rest of society.
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My team won the NBA Championship and I did not watch one of their playoff games. My BB team is playing for the NL pennant and I have not watched one of their games. I have seen one game of the Rams.
So: Why are viewers tuning out sports?
First of all, it’s not athlete politics.
Keep trying to convivence the public Yahoo that whatever you say is gospel, I am hear to tell you it is not!
Amen!
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My team won the NBA Championship and I did not watch one of their playoff games. My BB team is playing for the NL pennant and I have not watched one of their games. I have seen one game of the Rams.
So: Why are viewers tuning out sports?
First of all, it’s not athlete politics.
Keep trying to convivence the public Yahoo that whatever you say is gospel, I am hear to tell you it is not!
Amen!
I watch sports for the thrill of seeing the best, doing their best to be better. I have favorites like most of us do. The athletes are pampered, worshipped, paid beyond comprehension. They are not paid to educate me on their personal political concerns. Period!. If they want to lecture or protest popular concerns, they should do so on their own time, or as guests on TV or radio in their own private time or in peaceful demonstrations. They are certainly entitled to protest, but not on their employers or ticket payers time. I think that the owners who have bowed to this behavior are making a grave mistake. And in the long run it is having a negative effect on a public that is NOT inherently racist. (at least they were not so before all this BS started). I am also seeing apologetic introductions at other events that imply that we are sorry for behavior that most Americans are probably not guilty of. To me that is like drinking the koolaid at Jonesville. It is now my choice to not view any football games, or other sports, in which this country is embarrassed by such demonstrations that occur during the National Anthem. When that happens, off goes my TV.
Please remember that this whole nation of so called white supremacists, elected many people of color to positions of leadership over the past 30 years, including a black president (twice), many black members of congress and senate, major company officers; presented awards of merit to many people of color. Have elected Mayors, and Chiefs of Police in many large and small cities throughout the country. (look it up) Have overwhelmingly flooded the TV commercials with people of color (count them!). Yes there are bad cops but they have killed and harmed more white people, than people of color. (look that up!) Having said all this--I feel better. If this opinion removes me from this site--so be it. It has been fun.
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okie smokie, I did not find your post offensive, but I felt several had strayed from the topic of college football, so just made it its own thread.
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Good! I feel better this morning!
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IMHO, I stay away from ALL because it has become political weather they meant for it to or not it has.
Gives me more time with the grand kids so win win for me :D
If the NFL, MLB or NBA folded it would not bother me in the least. This coming Thanksgiving will be the first time I can remember NOT watching the Lions play even though they don't have a good team. I was a big fan of that team but that has gone away like a bad cold and really I just don't care about players getting a Million or more per year to play a game then have them preach to me.
NOPE Id rather burn meat on the grill for my better half
OK my :2cents:
Sitting down now
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I use to live basketball in my younger years. I spent Sundays watching football. I turned them all off and have not watched either for about 3 years. I used them as a fun escape. When I want to watch a political show, I will turn one on, but I don't want to be blasted with politics while trying to participate in a fun escape from reality. I have found I do not miss them, I have a lot more time to get things done now. I will probably never turn them on again.
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NFL is the only sport I ever had any interest in watching.
Would watch every game I could, not so much any more.
Fed up with all the crapola they put on the screen.
Makes no sense; Show scores of current game and other games during live play, but not during reply.
Why not the other way around?
Bring back the 10 minute ticker...
And Sunday Night and Thursday Night Football really irritate me.
After showing a replay and going back to live play, they flash the big SNF and TNF on the screen.
WTF... Do they thing we don't know what we are watching?
IMO, they have taken the enjoyment out watching a game, at least for me.
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I didn't read the article. But for myself i was never a big sports guy. I used to enjoy a watching a hockey game now and then, but I think that was more to do with the family i worked for the husband was a big sports guy and he liked hockey. Growing up I watched pro wrestling, my Father liked it, his Mother was apparently serious about it. I heard many stories of her watching and sitting on the edge of the couch or jumping up and throwing fists and yelling. Man was not as into it but close. I had USA a while back and Monday night whatever came on, so I just left it on. It was boring as everystuff, and I soon turn the tv off. The crowds reaction, the cheers and jeers were all gone, I believe that is what helped make the show. Yes I know it is not a sport and more of a soap opera today than it used to be. I think pro sports is the same way, with out the live fan reactions to what is going on it takes a lot away from the game. I had heard about some of the teams or networks playing or adding in live audience sounds. I kind of doubt it is the same, the dubbed in sound more than likely didn't get louder when the home team had the ball, or quieter in the case of football where the player had to be able to hear the directions form the QB. I doubt there were Boos and jeers, as that would not be politically correct. I do believe the pay scales are going to be changing in the near future, as the revenue from the ticket and merchandise sales have dried up, but they will still be over paid for what they do compared to other jobs.
okie smokie I agree with most everything you said. Not so much on the sports side due to me not following it, but the second part. I have to agree that when it comes to professions, race, religion, there are just some xxxxxx and worthless people. Sadly they are the ones that draw the attention when they do something, and the media today needs to find something to make the ratings and grab the viewers, so what if they embellish the story a bit or leave some of the facts out, or just down right lie. There are people out there that thrive on that sensationalism. We have become a society where white people are evil and out to destroy or reign over every one else. Sadly there are a large number of white folks that have adopted this thinking also, which makes me wonder two things. Do they actually think they would be spared if the other races were to start to eliminate the white race, and second if white people are so bad maybe they should just off themselves and the world would be better.
As for the tv shows and such, it seems that every show has to have diversity, it has to have at least one or two LGBTQ story lines in it. I don't need it rammed into my brain. (and yes i was going to say rammed down my throat, but I was not about to set them up so you folks could knock them down) I couldn't care less who others love or what they choose to do in their private lives, for the most part it never affected me, until it started being pushed to make others feel like they are doing something wrong for for not openly and loudly supporting it.
It is sad that there are so many that think they can change the past by removing a statue, changing a flag, having a tv show removed because of the way a car was painted. There are no do overs,trying to erase symbols of the time that are still here today will not erase or change the past. Their efforts would be far better served in trying to work together and make the lives of everyone better in the future.
I could ramble on more but I will spare you all of that. For Bentley or Kristen, if there is something I have said here that you deem not welcome in your house, please feel free to remove this post. Believe me I will not be offended and it will not change my day should you choose to do that. I think you folks have provided a place for a wonderful small community to form, one with many different views and opinions, and that is not a bad thing. Thank you for your efforts in doing so.
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BRING IT ON, Okie Smokie Man,
BRING IT ON!
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Well said Big Dave. I think this era should be named "the misinformation era". Then there is Facebook, Twitter and Google. Three examples of how unrestrained power can turn little Goebbels into monsters. (or is it visa-versa). I don't use the first two but probably can't avoid some use of the third. I am praying for a restoration of truth, equity and morality in our society before we PC ourselves to death.
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I don't type, so I'll keep this short. IMHO, the state of affairs being described here is , in a good part, due to both of our major political parties moving to extremes of the left or right. The ugliness is bound to follow.
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When the sports venues deteriorate into political a spectrum, time to pursue other means of entertainment.
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When they all (college and pro) bent down to kiss the hand (not my word choice) of blm they all lost me as a supporter.
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I do like to have an open forum. I do expect folks who do not want to participate in threads like this to use their best judgement and maybe stay out of them. We try to identify a thread that is going to have the potential to do that and put something to that effect in the title.
Having said that, I have spent the last 20 minutes on the Black Lives Matter web site. If you are going to make a statement like this, and I am going to leave it up, you are going to have to point me to documentation that supports your assertion. Again, you have 24 hours to show me documentation and I will reinstate your post!
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When the sports venues deteriorate into political a spectrum, time to pursue other means of entertainment.
Really BLM is a terrorist group? WOW
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reubenray...Again, you have 24 hours to show me documentation and I will reinstate your post!
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You are right, I can delete your comments and I am. And yes, you can stand by your statements, I just don't have to published them on my site.
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Really BLM is a terrorist group? WOW
Terrorist Group: A group of people that support violence as a means to achieve an objective (My definition).
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reubenray...Again, you have 24 hours to show me documentation and I will reinstate your post!
It is on the news on a regular basis. What other proof do you need? I won't waste my time.
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Sounds like we have come to an agreement!
Now as a member. Not sure how you can tell me what is on a web site that you say you would not waste a "millisecond" looking at? I had no idea what was on it either until I went to it. I do not agree with the efforts to defund the police. If you had said you were against that I could have said, OK, he makes a valid point for my views. But to post that the sites main goal is to do X when there is clearly no evidence of that I can't abide by. An a person that you consider acting in an objectionable fashion, I get that also. But just because they are carrying a BLM sign does not mean BLM condones or disapproves of the action. I saw nothing that indicates they condone violence against law enforcement.
And to be honest, not sure what any of these comments have to do with the State of Sports in the US? I could live with someone saying I will not watch sports that approve of or having anything to do with BLM. But to have folks come on and say they are X & Y and have nothing to back it up with but conjecture and the actions of others who we have no idea whether they are connected with BLM or not...again, just cant abide by that!
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Well yes, tv news is such a reliable source of accurate and truthful information. Hmm, maybe there was a reason we could not cite to it as evidence in Court?
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Well yes, tv news is such a reliable source of accurate and truthful information. Hmm, maybe there was a reason we could not cite to it as evidence in Court?
I have to opine. My sister is a lesbian and partnered with a black lady and they live in Portland. They moved there for inclusivity, they hate it now. According to them it is NOT inclusive, not even close. They are both radically left leaning (marches, banners etc.) This is not from what I have read, watched or imagined. Best I can recall our conversation solely based on this post, is this.
BLM is a horribly disorganized belief that has been hijacked, you can fly a rainbow flag and walk the walk (as they do), if you are not militant in your actions, meaning wanting to overthrow everything and everyone then you are OUT. They have lived together for 22 years and they have NEVER seen such division. They no longer march for BLM, they are disgusted by the beliefs and motives they claim to stand for. Ban me if you need to. Hopefully you don’t but this is what Sis tells me with zero of my opinion interjected. She lives it and says it is a ———— show.
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What I take away from your post is folks are out there representing that they are for BLM but are really just presenting the platform they chose to address? I guess one could blame BLM for that, but I am not sure how? Again, can you or can you ask them what about the beliefs and motives of BLM disgust's them? These are broad sweeping statements that are not supported by any information on the BLM web site.
I would really be interested in what they have to say. And how that it is being manifested by BLM?
Best I can recall our conversation solely based on this post, is this.
BLM is a horribly disorganized belief that has been hijacked...They no longer march for BLM, they are disgusted by the beliefs and motives they claim to stand for.
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I guess yorkdude, I would have to ask is their experience only limited to Portland? Because Portland seems a total mess -- you have antifa fighting white supremacists in the streets, so not sure what that is representing.
I can tell you about our small BLM movement and marches here in Culpeper. There have been two -- one with about 80 people and one with several hundred. They obtained permits and marched. They had many ministers present, shared stories (at least two black local nurses publicly shared their stories when they gathered together at the end of the march down the main street), and prayed at the end, holding hands with local police and sheriffs. No violence, no destroyed property, no police injured. Maybe that is just typical of a small town, maybe just unusual and local to this community. I don't try and extrapolate and say "Well all BLM folks are Baptist ministers, nurses and police".
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According to my sister ( no opinion, no other influences). Originally it was that Black lives matter and an understanding that all lives matter but the focus was more emphasis on the black lives that are televised. When (her words, not mine) it morphed into accelerated escalation of any and all resistance, all bets were off. They do not live in a utopian belief, they are however the gay mixed couple that you might see in a coffee shop, enjoying a sandwich on the patio in New York (they lived there also). They believe that we should have electric cars but don’t own one. They believe that we are not energy conscious but complain when they get their power shut off because of the fires currently happening (that is a side note), I guess the best way to see it, at least from my eyes is this. I honestly think ALL lives matter, I don’t share their political beliefs and I, as well as her are fine with that aspect. What we do share is this, what you believe is your business accordingly mine are mine. To close I would like to say that the reason I shared personal information about my Sis (having discussed this specific thread, a few hours ago with her and she said “ go fo itâ€), we both don’t need anyone, any entity and especially anyone who is not living what 90% of us live telling us anything. Beth (sis) nor I watch any sports, awards shows etc. I may change on sports but only if they play and keep their mouth shut. I am done with my rant but will be on here and engaged if all is good, it is with me.
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I guess yorkdude, I would have to ask is their experience only limited to Portland? Because Portland seems a total mess -- you have antifa fighting white supremacists in the streets, so not sure what that is representing.
I can tell you about our small BLM movement and marches here in Culpeper. There have been two -- one with about 80 people and one with several hundred. They obtained permits and marched. They had many ministers present, shared stories (at least two black local nurses publicly shared their stories when they gathered together at the end of the march down the main street), and prayed at the end, holding hands with local police and sheriffs. No violence, no destroyed property, no police injured. Maybe that is just typical of a small town, maybe just unusual and local to this community. I don't try and extrapolate and say "Well all BLM folks are Baptist ministers, nurses and police".
They met in New York in Greenwich village ( not sure how to spell it) and left there about 15 years ago due to outrageous costs with their apartment. Oh, I forgot to say that I have NEVER been in deli heaven like that.
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I appreciate the dialogue. I am having trouble understating your response. Are the 2 of them referring to what is going on with BLM in Portland? I do not understand what is mean by "accelerated escalation"?
I guess I was trying to understand what disgust's them about the beliefs and motives of BLM? What belief or motive? Or am I not understanding what you were saying about them in regards to that?
According to my sister ( no opinion, no other influences). Originally it was that Black lives matter and an understanding that all lives matter but the focus was more emphasis on the black lives that are televised. When (her words, not mine) it morphed into accelerated escalation of any and all resistance, all bets were off.
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I am responding to your post Bentley.
I can only surmise this is correct, having said that, I will speak to her this weekend at some point and (with her consent) will share.
Best I can tell is that the “movementâ€, in their eyes started with the purest of intentions from passionate people. They are fantastic activists for inclusion, they always have been.
Again speculation on my part (will again do my best to clarify their opinion) it has become “us vs. themâ€. Whomever Us is and them is I can only tell you what I took from our many conversations over
times. Us=Said Person and their beliefs. Them= said person and their beliefs.
Hard to portray their passion for tolerance and that is probably quite apparent but if I were to do my best Readers Digest version of what they tell me, while unabashedly accepting and overwhelmingly tolerant, they have seen enough. If BLM and the original portrayal of the mission wanted to remain focused and productive they WOULD not continue going on the path they are currently traveling.
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I hope she will allow you to share and I will wait till then to say any more about that!
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I loathe this kind of stuff. It is divisive. That being said, every experience from different areas have different perspectives. No human should disagree with the slogan of “BLMâ€. We as humans all bleed red. However, in the Pacific Northwest and some other areas, it has been used as a cover for domestic terrorism for months. I am hesitant to say much more.
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I loathe this kind of stuff. It is divisive. That being said, every experience from different areas have different perspectives. No human should disagree with the slogan of “BLMâ€. We as humans all bleed red. However, in the Pacific Northwest and some other areas, it has been used as a cover for domestic terrorism for months. I am hesitant to say much more.
That is what I understand my sister to be saying.
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I guess yorkdude, I would have to ask is their experience only limited to Portland? Because Portland seems a total mess -- you have antifa fighting white supremacists in the streets, so not sure what that is representing.
I can tell you about our small BLM movement and marches here in Culpeper. There have been two -- one with about 80 people and one with several hundred. They obtained permits and marched. They had many ministers present, shared stories (at least two black local nurses publicly shared their stories when they gathered together at the end of the march down the main street), and prayed at the end, holding hands with local police and sheriffs. No violence, no destroyed property, no police injured. Maybe that is just typical of a small town, maybe just unusual and local to this community. I don't try and extrapolate and say "Well all BLM folks are Baptist ministers, nurses and police".
Portland is the worse of the worse for sure. Here in South Alabama there were several peaceful protests. But in many cities across the country these peaceful protests have turned into riots. If blm says this does not represent their cause then they need to denounce them.
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I guess yorkdude, I would have to ask is their experience only limited to Portland? Because Portland seems a total mess -- you have antifa fighting white supremacists in the streets, so not sure what that is representing.
I can tell you about our small BLM movement and marches here in Culpeper. There have been two -- one with about 80 people and one with several hundred. They obtained permits and marched. They had many ministers present, shared stories (at least two black local nurses publicly shared their stories when they gathered together at the end of the march down the main street), and prayed at the end, holding hands with local police and sheriffs. No violence, no destroyed property, no police injured. Maybe that is just typical of a small town, maybe just unusual and local to this community. I don't try and extrapolate and say "Well all BLM folks are Baptist ministers, nurses and police".
Portland is the worse of the worse for sure. Here in South Alabama there were several peaceful protests. But in many cities across the country these peaceful protests have turned into riots. If blm says this does not represent their cause then they need to denounce them.
I agree about the denouncing, but as they say any press is good press. so I would imagine hat BLM coffers are filling up more with all of the attention.
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If blm says this does not represent their cause then they need to denounce them.
Amen
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Much like the President should denounce violent groups like Proud Boys instead of telling them to "stand by"? I mean, otherwise, as the head of the GOP, I guess I am to assume the GOP embraces violence as a political expression?
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Much like the President should denounce violent groups like Proud Boys instead of telling them to "stand by"? I mean, otherwise, as the head of the GOP, I guess I am to assume the GOP embraces violence as a political expression?
Absurd!
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Why?
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Saban is now clear after 3 negative covid tests, but Florida coach Mullen now has tested positive. Lots of pro players tested positive in the last 48-72 hours. I'm beginning to wonder how good these tests are. You are positive one day and negative 2 days later. I guess it is possible this virus is like the one day flu for some. Don't know what to believe anymore.
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Saban is now clear after 3 negative covid tests, but Florida coach Mullen now has tested positive. Lots of pro players tested positive in the last 48-72 hours. I'm beginning to wonder how good these tests are. You are positive one day and negative 2 days later. I guess it is possible this virus is like the one day flu for some. Don't know what to believe anymore.
Certainly not the media. This will continue to be the top story until the election.
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I have no faith in the media since about March. I don't think they lie about someone who has had a positive test though. I just don't know whether to believe that what is a positive test is an actual positive test. I can't seem to find any reliable information that states if how many days it takes after someone to test positive before they could possibly test negative. Is it one day? Two days? Three days? 14 days?
Were they even positive on the test they tested positive?
I realize this is a living, moving, ever changing virus that is dangerous to a select group of people, but 6-7 months into this pandemic I was hoping the world would have a better grasp on identifying it and controlling the potency of it.
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OK
Who is watching the Alabama vs Georgia game for #1 ranking in the country? Or, who is watching the Houston vs Tampa Bay game to determine who goes to the World Series?
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Those of you who have been reading my occasional Op-Eds for a few years on this and the previous site will remember that I have some “different†and often unpopular views. I rarely express them in public forums because some readers grow intolerant, but I feel free to do so here because we treat each other with respect. Consequently, I feel the need to comment on something that is “peppered†throughout this thread—athletes or other “entertainment†figures speaking out or acting out on issues that they feel strongly about.
Much of what I read and hear in other media centers around kneeling during the National Anthem, a peaceful protest started by Colin Kaepernick.
Colin Kaepernick has said many times that, as a political activist protesting police brutality and racial inequality in the United States, he can preach on street corners and write Op-Eds, but his greatest stage is the football field. He said he kneels as a way of "standing up for people who do not have a voice." He has continually said that his protests are not about disrespecting the military or the flag.
Having said that, now I'll tell you what I think–
Freedom of speech is protected by law but guided by emotion. The Supreme Court treats the taking a knee during the anthem as the same as speaking. Americans don't forfeit their First Amendment rights of free speech by joining a team. They have the legal right to speak their own opinions when they don't represent them as their employers' opinions.
So, the First Amendment gives Colin Kaepernick the right to say or act out things that some may disagree with. And those opposed have the equal right to make opposing statements. They don't have the right to publish their guesses at what he believes in.
I think that our Constitution was written by a small group of non-elected, landholding, slave owners who thought that their class was the only class that should be allowed to vote. They wrote that all men are created equal; their actions showed that they truly meant all men not all people, certainly not all women, Indians or slaves. Things that happen in the United States show me that much of this frame of mind still exists.
The reaction to actions or speech like this absolutely depends on the reactors' opinions on the subject, not necessarily on the vehicle (taking a knee during the anthem). I suspect that in the mid 1800s women who wanted to vote would have supported Susan B. Anthony's taking a knee. I suspect that many of you readers might have, too.
Such conflicts are rarely about the cause in question. They are about the participants and their culture, their ideologies and their faith. They are about sanction and censure, about whose dignity can withstand whose degradation.
We can all see that black lives in the United States are significantly different than white lives. Colin Kaepernick and supporting athletes want to use their stage to change that. They have the fire in their bellies. They’re attracting attention to the injustices they want to expose. They’re willing to make huge financial sacrifices to stand up for what they believe in. I admire them.
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pmillem, it is a small point, but one I would like to make. At the time of the Constitutional Convention, six of the original thirteen colonies were slave-owning colonies: Delaware, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia. According to Thomas Ladenburg, author of "Making the Constitution," only 25 of the 55 delegates owned slaves. So a majority of the men who wrote and approved the U.S. Constitution were not slave owners, although I agree that they thought only white men who were property owners/business owners should have a vote. Slavery was and is a grave stain on our history with repercussions down the centuries. But even in our slave holding past, there were Americans who did not believe in the practice and even tried to have it written into the Constitution as an outlawed practice.
And I have no problem with any athlete speaking their mind on a political subject, just as I have always had the right to speak my mind on a political subject -- but not when I was in Court being paid by my client to represent them. That is the distinction I make. Sure, I don't write a player a check, but by watching a game or buying a ticket and going to a game, I am essentially their client and having them share their political beliefs is not what I am paying them for. And yes, a football field might be a big stage. Arguing before a full panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals -- one step below the U.S. Supreme Court -- was also the biggest/greatest stage I ever stood upon, but I was still there because my client was paying me to represent them, not to express my personal political opinions.
And perhaps I am way too cynical, but I don't think too many will take huge financial hits -- certainly not on the level I would have taken for doing what they do on the job. We tolerate a lot from the famous and they know it. I don't question their cause, but I think a lot of folks don't watch entertainment or sports to have political causes pushed at them -- I think that is a reason all the Hollywood and Music and Broadway award show programs ratings are down. LeBron James could hire a stadium and tell folks he will pose for pictures and shake hands for free if they listen to him talk on racial justice for a half hour and he would have to turn crowds away -- and it would be covered on every network news that night. They have plenty of opportunities to to have big stages to get their views out without doing it "at work".
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pmillem, it is a small point, but one I would like to make. At the time of the Constitutional Convention, six of the original thirteen colonies were slave-owning colonies: Delaware, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia. According to Thomas Ladenburg, author of "Making the Constitution," only 25 of the 55 delegates owned slaves. So a majority of the men who wrote and approved the U.S. Constitution were not slave owners, although I agree that they thought only white men who were property owners/business owners should have a vote. Slavery was and is a grave stain on our history with repercussions down the centuries. But even in our slave holding past, there were Americans who did not believe in the practice and even tried to have it written into the Constitution as an outlawed practice.
And I have no problem with any athlete speaking their mind on a political subject, just as I have always had the right to speak my mind on a political subject -- but not when I was in Court being paid by my client to represent them. That is the distinction I make. Sure, I don't write a player a check, but by watching a game or buying a ticket and going to a game, I am essentially their client and having them share their political beliefs is not what I am paying them for. And yes, a football field might be a big stage. Arguing before a full panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals -- one step below the U.S. Supreme Court -- was also the biggest/greatest stage I ever stood upon, but I was still there because my client was paying me to represent them, not to express my personal political opinions.
And perhaps I am way too cynical, but I don't think too many will take huge financial hits -- certainly not on the level I would have taken for doing what they do on the job. We tolerate a lot from the famous and they know it. I don't question their cause, but I think a lot of folks don't watch entertainment or sports to have political causes pushed at them -- I think that is a reason all the Hollywood and Music and Broadway award show programs ratings are down. LeBron James could hire a stadium and tell folks he will pose for pictures and shake hands for free if they listen to him talk on racial justice for a half hour and he would have to turn crowds away -- and it would be covered on every network news that night. They have plenty of opportunities to to have big stages to get their views out without doing it "at work".
I'm with you on that K.
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You make excellent points, Kristin. I share your view on this...
Sure, I don't write a player a check, but by watching a game or buying a ticket and going to a game, I am essentially their client and having them share their political beliefs is not what I am paying them for.
I, too, wish that they take it to another stage. But I admire their tenacity and acknowledge their right to "speak out".
That may be part of the strength of the players choosing their "stage" to speak from. Loyal viewers and ticket holders will be faced with two minutes of discomfort and, hopefully, introspection in exchange for the entertainment. They can vote with their pocketbooks. I don't follow NFL football closely enough to know if the league or teams have made an attempt to stop the peaceful protests, but I think it would ultimately be settled in court, in much the same way that Curt Flood's legal battles finally resulted in Major League Baseball establishing free agency.
And perhaps I am way too cynical, but I don't think too many will take huge financial hits --
I don't know how many have or might. The 48ers 49ers players Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid certainly did, but both have settled their cases where they asserted that the NFL colluded to deny them employment. Nevertheless, many appear willing to take huge financial hits.
EDIT: Corrected team name typo.
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I spent well over an hour on the phone yesterday with my Sister. I am going to share this and then just stay out of it. I will be interested in other’s thoughts though.
To summarize what I gather as a result of our many conversations based on truly and openly doing my best to grasp what I don’t see from her perspective.
She is very interested in almost everything that promotes a cultural shift, which honestly, I am troubled by the majority of it, it scares me to be 100% honest. She was truly not this fervent prior to her “coming outâ€. I don’t know if that is the proper way to address it but I also DONT ask her how I should reference it, my apologies if I offended anyone.
I do my absolute best to “read between the lines†while conversing about that. We were born and raised in Northern California, specifically Los Gatos and spent every warm day in our small house in Santa Cruz. The reason I share this is because I am trying to portray what type of environment we grew up in, I am not sure (other people may educate me) on a more inclusive and tolerant area than that.
Both of us agree that we witnessed PEACEFUL shift’s in views other than ours.
I, to be totally honest left California with my wife and 2 young kids because I, as well as Gwennie could really sense the shift and frankly we decided to move.
Beth told me yesterday that the “tearing down of the statues†caused her to be more vigilant. This was AFTER one of their favorite coffee shop/cafe was destroyed. That made her “skin crawl†she said she would NEVER advocate violent upheavals to initiate ANY change.
Earlier in this thread I referenced “Us vs. Themâ€. We both agree that the chasms we are witnessing are NOT GOOD AT ALL. While we vastly differ on each other’s point of view, we do both realize that the middle ground is disappearing farther from the Horizon.
God Bless America and EVERYONE in it.
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If we would of had the trans continental railway it would have be the forty-eighters!
I don't know how many have or might. The 48ers 49ers players...
"The California Gold Rush was a gold rush that began on January 24, 1848, when gold was found by James W. Marshall at Sutter's Mill in Coloma, California."