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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #675 on: May 13, 2023, 07:32:09 PM »

that look interesting.


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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #676 on: May 20, 2023, 12:12:10 PM »

I went to school yesterday! Come to find out a recent acquaintance of mine is a very proficient baker and at one time taught bread baking. We have been trying to find a time to bake together for a while now and finally got our chance. We are doing a picnic and needed rolls for brisket and pulled pork sandwiches. He suggested a Portuguese Sweet Bread. I really liked the results. It is sturdy enough to handle the meat and any sauce, but it is not a dense bread.

The recipe calls for AP flour, which kind of surprised me. We did use bread flour to give it a little more structure. He made the biga the night before. The total yield for our efforts was 90 rolls at three ounces each and one loaf of bread, just over 1 lb. (there were an additional 3 rolls that somehow never quite made it to the packaging stage)!

My friend is part of a bread baking forum, similar to this one. If you google "fresh loaf forum" you should be able to find it. He has been a part of that forum for quite a while. It sounds like a fairly serious group, with a lot of good information.

Here is the recipe we used. We made two of the 7 lb. batches. He did say it was OK to share it.

Portuguese Sweet Bread with Biga
Biga - a type of pre-fermentation used in many popular Italian breads. It adds complexity to the bread's flavor and is often used in breads that need a light, open texture with holes.

Biga Recipe:
White AP Flour: 308g  470g
Water: 194g  296g
Salt: 8g  12g
Yeast (dry): ¼ tsp  ¼ tsp    

Final Dough
White AP Flour: 709g  1243g
Milk, warm: 257g  450g
Honey: 149g  261g
Eggs: 125g  220g
Butter (soft): 110g  193g
Sugar: 55g  96g
Yeast (dry): 8g  14g
Salt: 6g  11g
Biga   445g    778g
Total Yield: 4.1 lb.  7.2 lb.

1.  Prepare biga, mix/knead until a smooth ball forms, mix/knead until a smooth ball forms. Cover and set aside for 12-16 hours.

2. Mix final dough ingredients together on speed 1, adding biga as dough comes together. Set timer for 3 minutes.

3. Mix on speed 2 for 3 more minutes, scraping dough occasionally (about once per minute) from side of bowl and the dough hook. Dough forms a loose ball on the hook, but is too sticky to clean the bowl.

4. From the mixing bowl, transfer to a lightly floured table and form into a loose ball before placing in a lightly oiled bowl to rise.

5. Cover and set aside for 2 hours, folding after 1 hour.

6. Shape.

7. Final fermentation (covered in plastic or in a humid environment. Loaves about 1.5 hrs. at 75 degrees, rolls may take up to 2 hours at 75 degrees.

8. Three-ounce rolls baked in a convection oven at 325 take 15 minutes (no steaming). Pan loaves at 1.5 pounds take 35 minutes (no steaming) to reach an IT of 200 degrees.




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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #677 on: May 20, 2023, 12:19:23 PM »

Here are a couple of pics.

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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #678 on: May 20, 2023, 01:17:30 PM »

Those rolls look great!
I've made Portuguese dinner rolls that were really good.
I'll have to see how that recipe compares to the one you provided.
Thanks for posting this.

EDIT: Will take a bit of doing to scale it down.  Don't intend on making 90. Haha
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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #679 on: May 20, 2023, 02:38:40 PM »


EDIT: Will take a bit of doing to scale it down.  Don't intend on making 90. Haha

We did two of the larger batches, leaving us with a little over 14 lbs. of dough. If you follow the smaller recipe you will end up with around 4 lbs, and that is a much more manageable size to work with. He had a 7 quart mixer and the larger batch came close to reaching its limits.
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« Reply #680 on: May 20, 2023, 03:09:31 PM »

Rolls look great.

Interesting the same amount of yeast 1/4 teaspoon for both batches in the Biga part.

I may try these.

How large are they?


Went back and I see now, 3oz so about 90 grams.
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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #681 on: May 20, 2023, 04:32:29 PM »

They look great and I am always trying to find a bun recipe.

I must be missing something?  I am assuming the biga is like a mother or starter.  I am also assuming you add it to the final dough.  So which is the smaller recipe?

If you follow the smaller recipe you will end up with around 4 lbs, and that is a much more manageable size to work with.
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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #682 on: May 20, 2023, 05:47:40 PM »

all one recipe.

Took a few minutes this morning and made it easier to see.

I have this in a Google spreadsheet there are no formulas I just copied and rearranged it. But if anyone wants it leave me know.
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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #683 on: May 20, 2023, 09:16:40 PM »

Thanks Big Dave for clearing that up. I tried formatting it a few different ways, but couldn't get it to match up the way I wanted. It should be two columns with the smaller recipe on the left.

Bentley - You are correct, the biga is kind of like a sourdough starter. However it is the consistency of a dough rather than a sponge for a typical starter. When we started to knead the dough in the mixer, the biga was cut into small chunks and placed in the mixer while it was going.
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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #684 on: May 21, 2023, 11:04:31 AM »

If you want to change the yeast to grams, here is a conversion chart.
Doesn't have .25 oz. but has .2, so you can get close.
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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #685 on: May 21, 2023, 05:41:53 PM »

If you want to change the yeast to grams, here is a conversion chart.
Doesn't have .25 oz. but has .2, so you can get close.

Nice I am keeping that, it does have 0.25 tsp of dry yeast at 0.7 grams

I just noticed the Biga has 1/4 tsp but the other dough is in grams.
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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #686 on: May 21, 2023, 06:49:51 PM »

Ah, you are using ADY, I thought IDY.
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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #687 on: May 21, 2023, 07:07:22 PM »

I see, there were 2 distinct columns of numbers that I could not figure out!
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Re: The Bread thread.
« Reply #688 on: May 22, 2023, 03:04:39 PM »

The buns are best fresh. We made them on a Friday, stored them in plastic baggies, and they were used on Sunday. When served, the buns were a bit drier and seemed more crumbly than anticipated. The bread was not tough or difficult to chew and it held the meat well. People loved them and were taking extras home! We brought some to my mother-in-law after the picnic. She zapped one in the microwave and it had a much better consistency. I would like to try it again sometime with the AP flour instead of the bread flour. That may have made a difference.
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